Ever heard of headsets/earbuds with mics? Don't need a built in mic if you can just plug one in like a phone.
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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Ever heard of headsets/earbuds with mics? Don't need a built in mic if you can just plug one in like a phone.
Yep. It definitely felt strange to me.
ARe they hedging their bets in case the NX doesn't take off?
Will 3ds carts work in the NX? Maybe you clip on your smartphone screen (or use tV) to act as a 2nd screen for 3ds games.
Are they just taking advantage of the 60 million install base of the 3ds and the fact they already combined a lot of Wii U/3ds development? Look at Mario Kart 7/8, Super Mario Land/World, Super Mario Bros 2/New U and Super Smash Bros...
I get that they would want to unchain Wii U software from the small install base of the Wii U and let it sell into the 60 million of the 3ds, but ...with the NX around the corner you would think they would save it for that.
Maybe this is an indication the NX is going to be high priced for awhile. And that's why the big show of support for 3ds games into next year.
casey_contra
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When using a split controller, however, how would you control splatoon? Pointer-style? By moving both controllers, or just one?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Perhaps. It would be an ideal place for the camera/mic to be.
Skittzo0413
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Honestly, you could probably choose either depending on if you're right handed or left handed. I'm assuming the software will be able to detect if the controllers are attached or detached, so it obviously depends on what the developer chooses, but it seems like either one can be used for the motion aiming, with the right stick still usable for larger aiming movements.
Or the left stick, if you prefer it that way. I'm right handed so I don't know if any lefties would prefer being able to invert the control scheme such that the right stick does the moving and the left does the aiming (for FPS/TPS games anyway).
For on the go and play with friends outside
They are definitely the aspect that raises the most questions. Especially whether they can be used as two separate controllers or if they form one whole.
Also whether we're going to see same screen/splitscreen multiplayer whilst mobile...
This is what i said last month in one of the locked threads. Lherre (who is a dev) said he had heard nothing of different "modes" (docked/portable). Either that means we're looking at a very powerful handheld (considering the active cooling) or devs are in fact developing for the highest performance mode, and the dock WILL in fact boost the performance for TV output.
NX is going to be expensive.
That's the thought I came to after jotting down a bunch of reasons for all this love Nintendo is suddenly showing the 3ds despite the NX being around the corner.
That's why Nintendo needs to keep the 3ds going strong in 2017 and into 2018. IT's to cover the low pricepoints that the NX won't be able to get close to anytime soon.
I'm raising my target to $300 maybe even $350.
That's the thought I came to after jotting down a bunch of reasons for all this love Nintendo is suddenly showing the 3ds despite the NX being around the corner.
That's why Nintendo needs to keep the 3ds going strong in 2017 and into 2018. IT's to cover the low pricepoints that the NX won't be able to get close to anytime soon.
I'm raising my target to $300 maybe even $350.
Skittzo0413
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For on the go you can use them while attached. Playing with a friend on a small 6.2 inch screen is a nice feature, but it's also a very niche feature that I doubt many people care about at all. Local multiplayer at home makes sense, but one of the two detached controllers likely doesn't have enough inputs available to play anything in many genres, like FPS or TPS.
I don't think the benefit to local multiplayer is as big a selling point as some people here seem to think, and I'm hoping Nintendo doesn't bet big on that as a selling point either.
LordOfChaos
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They said they weren't happy with where they had to price the Wii U because of the strong Yen, which is different now, and that was a consideration for the NX, so take that as you will. They also said they're not taking a loss though.
Makes me think ~250-300. Below 350 for sure.
Father_Brain
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If they weren't betting big on out-of-the-box portable local multiplayer as a selling point, I think they'd have gone with a more conventional single-unit design instead of detachable controllers.
I agree that this selling point will probably prove much less compelling than Nintendo expects, though.
The only thing that throws me about that idea is that the controllers apparently physically interface with the screen section. They have parts protruding which seems counterintuitive IMO.
Yeah that sounds strange, i wonder if there will be a way to put them together to form a single controller without any additional plastic components.
Besides the form factor, for me a single Nintendo device with all the games and being able to play on the go or on your tv sounds great. And it's going to be a massive upgrade to the 3DS even if it's something like 2xWiiU power.
Skittzo0413
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Like I said on the other page, the selling point could be that you have one set of controllers and you use them for both on the go and at home play. Having them be detachable makes more sense to me than including a secondary control scheme in the box for TV gaming- it's an elegant solution to the problem introduced by a hybrid console that has to dock to be played on the TV.
That's the case on the devkit though. We don't know if the final unit will include those physical connectors. It could be a much smaller or simpler connection for all we know. Or even wireless.
Joelstinton14
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Yeah that is my take on it as well. Support dropping off has been a criticism of Nintendo in the past, and doing this rectifies that to some degree - well to the most consumers, there are more 3DS owners than Wii U owners.
Pokemon Sun/Moon will do large numbers, so it probably a good time to give it one last flurry of life. It is one thing that Sony did really well with the PS3 towards the end of its life.
LegendofLex
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I think people are hinging too much on the detachability itself somehow being a selling point.
I think it's more that the control options that come with NX out of the box are flexible and accommodate lots of different users and use case scenarios without any need for extra controllers or accessories.
With NX, you get:
- A fully functional handheld that has all the buttons and sticks (and presumably gyro) on the Wii U GamePad
- A fully functional touch screen unit that can be used for touch-only or touch-heavy gaming
- The equivalent of a Wii Remote and Nunchuk, but this time with button parity with typical hardcore controllers
- The equivalent of two Wii Remotes that can accommodate multiplayer in certain games (the ones that are likely to be huge sellers for Nintendo, even)
That'll set a lot of people up to only have to worry about how much NX costs at launch and which games are coming through the pipeline.
The detachability is just a good way to take advantage of what's already being provided with the handheld, while removing some of the barriers to use for people who are mostly just used to operating devices with just a touch screen so they can at least interact with the device sometimes (this was a big part of Nintendo's approach to DS and Wii).
Presumably there's no funky business about the only options for some multiplayer games being last-gen controllers, too.
Yep I Know. But ...the sudden 3ds love at this stage is hard to explain.
And after posting a bunch of reasons for the sudden 3ds love, I suddenly typed "NX is going to be expensive" and the light bulb went off in my head. That's it. That's why.
That makes sense.
But I'd love to hear a better explanation for the sudden 3ds love. I had a bunch myself. Take advantage of the 60 million 3ds install base. NX will take awhile to ramp up. Nintendo's combined development can do both. They aren't making Wii U software and some of the 3ds love is just Wii U ports/spinoffs which don't require a ton of resources. 3ds carts can play in the NX. But none of those caused a light bulb to go off in my head.
I would see $250 (which is more than what you have to pay for a Xbox One) as the upper end of the spectrum and I think I'm being very generous.
Skittzo0413
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This exactly. Too many people seem to be focusing on that fourth bullet point, which in my opinion isn't that big of a deal.
That MCV article which says it's a lot cheaper than we'd expect makes me think it'll be closer to $199. Possibly $225 or $250 max, but I have a feeling they're going into impulse buy territory. Remember, the Shield TV with a Tegra X1 retails for $200 and Nvidia is likely making a large profit at that price. Nintendo could hopefully sell this for a similar price with much slimmer profit margins. At least that's the hope.
Dr. Buni
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But how will Nintendo handle the fragmentation of controller options? Obviously everyone has access to touch or physical controls, but what if someone takes just the screen with them on the train - now they can't play any of the games that need physical controls. They get home and dock it to play on the TV - now they can't use any touch controls.
Will devs have to provide a combination of controller presets to handle different situations? Will it encourage a lowest common denominator?
Lupin the Third
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Yeah. Are people forgetting the MCV rumor?
$250 certainly does not fit that bill. $100 or $150 probably would.
I think all games will be playable with just touch screen controls only using the tablet. Such as Mario Kart using gyro. Zelda using on screen analog and etc. The controller just makes games playable in more comfort. Additional deva would be allowed to add touchscreen mechanics however they would be game changing and being played on the TV you wouldn't miss much.
Skittzo0413
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Well the first scenario is kind of an odd question... I don't think the burden is on the developer to make sure that the user doesn't forget a part of the device they're using. If I forget to charge my 3DS before taking it on the train, that's my fault. I don't think there will be very many games which are touch only, so I think most people would know to bring the control portions with them.
The second scenario is definitely one of the big questions we've been dealing with. One possible answer is that motion/gyro controls which simulate Wiimote pointing can simulate touch screen functionality, though definitely not perfectly. Another answer potentially is a touchpad somewhere on the controllers. The point is, that's a good question and we don't really know how they'll handle it at this point.
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Yikes, I really REALLY don't think this is the case. I can't possibly imagine Zelda BotW being playable only with touch screen controls... frankly that being the first official NX game should really indicate that they're going for a very full control input scheme.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, I'm not getting the whole $350 thing, especially when MCV sounded so confident about this, as well as last year's random rumor that came out of nowhere. $249 is the maximum I am expecting, and I still think they pull off some magic. A sub-$200 price would be insane for the market.
No way it is $100 or $150.
$200 is the least it will feasibly be in my opiniom.
Dr. Buni
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Yes, but in that case the system would have to be really underpowered or somefin to be sold for $150.
IT is reasonable to think it will be easy for NIntendo to make both a 3ds and an NX version of a game. And so it would be no sweat for them to continue to make 3ds games for the next year or two. And that's why all the sudden 3ds love this late in the game.
The NX architecture is going to be similar to the 3ds in that both will have ARM cpus. Gpus are different but if you write to OpenGL or what not then it becomes mainly a driver issue. Every game in the pc gaming world works on multiple gpus.
The NX architecture is going to be similar to the 3ds in that both will have ARM cpus. Gpus are different but if you write to OpenGL or what not then it becomes mainly a driver issue. Every game in the pc gaming world works on multiple gpus.
They just announced a $200 N3DS. There's no way this thing will be cheaper than that.
So, don't laugh, but i was just trying to think about the size and the local multi player theory.
I used that tissue box, coincidently not far from my bed, cause it's roughly the same height as the 3ds xl (wich is roughly the size of the leaked NX screen size.
If you use the NX with a stand (there has to be a stand right, ala ipad ?) and you detach the controller, it should be this kind of scale ? Now imagine two players do that.
What do you think ? is it comfortable ? The distance, the size of the screen ? I'm just wondering.
On an amusing note, you'll notice that a clamshell design would let us put the screen anywhere, even on a bed with sheets..
I used that tissue box, coincidently not far from my bed, cause it's roughly the same height as the 3ds xl (wich is roughly the size of the leaked NX screen size.
If you use the NX with a stand (there has to be a stand right, ala ipad ?) and you detach the controller, it should be this kind of scale ? Now imagine two players do that.
What do you think ? is it comfortable ? The distance, the size of the screen ? I'm just wondering.
On an amusing note, you'll notice that a clamshell design would let us put the screen anywhere, even on a bed with sheets..
Yep the Galaxy New 3ds XL was a setup to show that the NX will be a deal at $300-$350.
Still betting on there being a centerpiece of sorts that you attach the controller halves to. It'd give room for a trackpad to imitate screen functions, which sounds more functional than trying to use motion controls in it's place. It'd be easy as pie to explain: attach controllers to screen for portable console, put screen on dock and attach controllers to trackpad for home console. Same exact experience, just with quick and easy reconfiguration.
Also, I've warmed up better in the past day or so to how many functions this thing could possibly have, but the ergonomics and overall shape are still worrying me. It just doesn't make much sense how it could do all those things and remain comfortable.. and as close as some mock-ups have gotten (particularly this one), I'm still feeling no cigar.
Also, I've warmed up better in the past day or so to how many functions this thing could possibly have, but the ergonomics and overall shape are still worrying me. It just doesn't make much sense how it could do all those things and remain comfortable.. and as close as some mock-ups have gotten (particularly this one), I'm still feeling no cigar.
So, don't laugh, but i was just trying to think about the size and the local multi player theory.
I used that tissue box, coincidently not far from my bed, cause it's roughly the same height as the 3ds xl (wich is roughly the size of the leaked NX screen size.
If you use the NX with a stand (there has to be a stand right, ala ipad ?) and you detach the controller, it should be this kind of scale ? Now imagine two players do that.
What do you think ? is it comfortable ? The distance, the size of the screen ? I'm just wondering.
On an amusing note, you'll notice that a clamshell design would let us put the screen anywhere, even on a bed with sheets..
YOu gotta imagine 2 Japanese 9 yr olds in a cramped apt bedroom on the floor. Or a Japanese 9 yr old with his or her Mom sitting at a table in a tiny kitchen while Mom monitors the cooking.
Dr. Buni
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It is not going to cost that much if Nintendo wants to sell it, specially if it is primary a handheld as the rumors state.
The Abominable Snowman
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No way they're launching above $199.99. Didn't they learn their lesson from the 3DS? And the 3DS still hasn't recovered and never will.
then makes the hand 3 times smaller!
Meohsix
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I made these today. it's supposed to be a vita sized case.
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I thought it's been generally said the tech in the HH plus a dock and whatever else (regular controller) comes in almost certainly can't be that low, i.e. $250 is the lowest realistic price to expect?
I agree with your point about 3DS but they'll position this reportedly as a console and handheld in one. So hopefully that helps them, if they can successfully sell the value proposition.
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I thought it's been generally said the tech in the HH plus a dock and whatever else (regular controller) comes in almost certainly can't be that low, i.e. $250 is the lowest realistic price to expect?
I agree with your point about 3DS but they'll position this reportedly as a console and handheld in one. So hopefully that helps them, if they can successfully sell the value proposition.
wait, what? the story of the 3DS is that it did recover, and quite spectacularly considering the situation it was in
That is true. If it's not important to development the engineers would go for function over form for the dev kits. It will be interesting to see what the final version looks like.
Because NX is only and exclusively a handheld just like the 3DS, alright..
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