You can literally have a cheap mini webcam for $2 including shipping from China. What would it cost Nintendo to include it? 30 cents? It would be silly not to include it. All it takes is the next "killer app" like Minecraft to make use of the camera and you're fucked.
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Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
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You can literally have a cheap mini webcam for $2 including shipping from China. What would it cost Nintendo to include it? 30 cents? It would be silly not to include it. All it takes is the next "killer app" like Minecraft to make use of the camera and you're fucked.
th3sicknness
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Why is everyone so freaking held up on motion sports games still lol... I loved them as much as the next guy. But by the time I got to my Wii U I didnt care for them at all to be honest.
I am really hoping that the detachables have nothing to do with wii remotes or waggle tech.
I don't know who is in these round tables at their HQ, but I highly doubt the reason the Wii U failed or the 3ds wasnt more successful is because it was missing local waggle multiplayer on a 6.2 inch screen. And if anyone at Nintendo is making this the focal point of the system then they are completely out of touch with what people want.
I just dont see the allure of this concept in such a small form factor.
Everything we know about Nintendo NX (with sources)
Everything here is a rumor, unless stated otherwise.
If you think I missed anything or made a mistake let me know here or on Twitter. I will keep updating this list until NX is officially announced.
Source links can be found below. New information will be highlighted.
NOTE: This thread may be closed soon, which means I cannot edit this comment anymore then. A link to the fully updated list can be found as pinned Tweet on my Twitter at https://Twitter.com/Dystify.
List is up-to-date as of September 10, 2016.
Hardware
Software
Source Links
Everything here is a rumor, unless stated otherwise.
If you think I missed anything or made a mistake let me know here or on Twitter. I will keep updating this list until NX is officially announced.
Source links can be found below. New information will be highlighted.
NOTE: This thread may be closed soon, which means I cannot edit this comment anymore then. A link to the fully updated list can be found as pinned Tweet on my Twitter at https://Twitter.com/Dystify.
List is up-to-date as of September 10, 2016.
Hardware
- Nintendo NX will be a portable, handheld console (Eurogamer article #1, backed by Kotaku and WSJ article #1 among others)
- A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect NX with your TV (Eurogamer article #1)
- Six inch (6.2 inch?) multi-touch screen (Emily Rogers article #2)
- The touchscreen has 720p resolution (Emily Rogers article #3)
- The device is around 14 15 mm in thickness (Emily Rogers article #2)
Controls - NX has detachable controllers (Eurogamer article #1, among others)
- Features motion controls and next-gen vibration technology (LPVG article #1)
- The d-pad is split (LPVG article #2, Emily Rogers article #2)
- It has a Share / Social button (LPVG article #2, Emily Rogers article #2)
- There are at least two shoulder buttons. No info about Triggers yet. (Emily Rogers article #3)
- The right analogue stick will be below the face buttons. (Emily Rogers article #2)
Features - Custom Nvidia GPU chip based on Tegra (Semiaccurate article #1, Eurogamer article #2)
- Nintendo NX to use Nvidia's Pascal GPU architecture (@DirectFeedGames on Twitter aka. NateDrake on NeoGAF. Tweet Link)
- NX CPU is more powerful than the CPUs of PS4/XBO. (LCgeek on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
- Nintendo NX will use cartridges (Eurogamer article #1, WSJ article #2)
- 32GB of built-in internal storage (Emily Rogers article #2)
- SD card support (Emily Rogers article #2)
- Supports USB 2.0 and 3.0 (Emily Rogers article #3)
- The dock has two 2.0 USB ports and one 3.0 USB port (Emily Rogers article #3)
- Below PS4 and XB1 in raw power (Emily Rogers article #2)
- Camera/Mic are not built inside of the NX portable. Note: This does not mean there isn't a camera/mic somewhere. We don't know yet. (Emily Rogers article #3)
- Cooling is still a little noisy (Emily Rogers article #3)
- Battery Life doesnt sound to be great (Emily Rogers article #3)
Other features - Nintendo NX is Region Free (No region lock) (LPVG article #3, Emily Rogers article #3)
- Supports Unreal Engine 4 and Unity Engine (Emily Rogers article #2)
Software
- NX is compatible with Nintendo's smartphone games in some way(WSJ article #1)
- Any game that runs on PS4/XBO should run on NX with little to no issue. (Osirisblack on NeoGAF. Comment Link)
Confirmed Games - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - Nintendo (Source)
- Just Dance 2017 - Ubisoft (Source)
- Holiday 2017 Sonic Game - Sega (Source trailer)
- Dragon Quest X - Square Enix (Source)
- Dragon Quest XI - Square Enix (Source)
- (Pikmin 4 - Nintendo (Source 1 | Source 2) Note: While the game is officially confirmed it is currently unclear if it will launch on NX, but we can safely assume it will be on NX.)
Indie Games - Tank it! - Bplus (Source)
Rumored Games
- A Mario game within 6 months of launch (Source)
- A Pokémon game by Gamefreak within 6 months of launch (Source)
- A Super Smash Bros. game for NX launch (Source)
- Splatoon (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
- Super Mario Maker (Source) Note: This game is in development but may not release. See source.
- Beyond Good and Evil 2 - Ubisoft (Source)
- A Mario Sports Superstars port (Source | Reference on the leaker)
- Terraria (Source) Note: This game was only hinted at to come to NX, but may not actually be in development yet.
- Bandai Namco is working on several NX titles. (Source)
- Retro Studios is not working on Metroid, DKC or Diddy Kong Racing, sounds like a new IP (Source)
Source Links
- Eurogamer article #1: Nintendo NX is a portable console with detachable controllers
- Eurogamer article #2: Nintendo NX is powered by Nvidia Tegra technology
- Kotaku: Report: Nintendo NX Is A Portable Console With Detachable Controllers]
- WSJ article #1: Lacking Pokémon Go Effect, Nintendo Swings to a Loss (NX related part starts a bit further below the graph.)
- WSJ article #2: Nintendos New NX Console to Go Retro With Videogame Cartridges
- Semiaccurate article #1: Nintendo NX handheld to use Nvidia Tegra-based SoC
- Emily Rogers article #1: Email 8.27.2016: The big question about resolution.
- Emily Rogers article #2: Heres a recap of NX Hardware details
- Emily Rogers article #3: Rumor: What should we expect from the final NX product?
- LPVG article #1: Report: Detatchable NX Controllers Support Motion Control and Force Feedback
- LPVG article #2: Report: NX to Feature PS4 -style Split D-Pad and Share Button
- LPVG article #3: Report: NX Handheld Dimensions, Layout Info, Lack of Region Lock
Motion controls go well beyond waggle.
James Scott
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I'm not sure a camera is necessary in a device like this. Don't remember the last time I needed one or two of them. Might be a weird omission, but I'm not sure how much a camera would cost to add.
Great work. Maybe you could also include the comments like from LCgeek about the CPU being more powerful than that of PS4/XBO. The comment about Osirisblack that claimed it was powerful enough to get porst from PS4/XBO games. The comment from NateDrake that the final GPU would be based on a Pascal chip, meaning more power efficient than the X1 in the devkit (meaning improved battery life due to less powerhungry chip, and improved battery life due to no cooling fan needed since the chip won't run as hot).
I'm not sure it's a matter of cost. Or not only cost. Cost, power, bezel space etc. Or maybe it just missing for a specific reason that is only known by Nintendo at this point.
Thank you so much for that compilation, Dystify. I just found the ER article which it seems (anyone can please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken) has some new info in there we didn't have before. It seems that is the significant piece I missed today. So I was glad to come across that and then have your larger post for context.
FWIW, I think it's reasonable to ask a mod if you can post a new thread with a title indicating we got new info today (the ER article). Don't see the harm in asking. NX speculation threads it seems are frowned upon but this is a good summation from her with new info (IIRC) and that seems worthy of discussion perhaps.
Oh yeah, I can add these. Don't have a source for them right now, but I've seen the comments myself.
I added this. Thanks.
No.
What I did was list reasons why Nvidia could be losing money on the Shield.
1) Establish brand
2) Show off silicon
3) Just not a successful product
You guys ran with the loss leader conclusion and defined loss leader as must be priced lower than cost. My only point was the Shield is losing money for Nvidia and here could be reasons why.
Otakumegane
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I tend to agree with this. Unless it's a smaller nub to the left and below the buttons, a full sized analog stick near the bottom may be uncomfortable.
It would be a camera for amusement, not to take beautiful pictures of your family in high-res. Like i said, you can find mini webcams for $2, including shipping from China. Now i don't know how much shipping costs, but i do know that whoever is selling these, wants to make a profit too. So i very much doubt this would be a costly affair for Nintendo, to include a cheap-o camera. Just for stuff like Mii making, basic AR, stupid social apps with faceswapping, the WiiU Skype rip-off etc... Yeah, it's nothing super important, but i did like it when games like Nano Assault used the cam in multiplayer. And all it takes is the next killer app to make good use of the camera, and your device not having one, and then not having a camera, will have cost you MUCH more than including a camera without using it.
Super job. Great work.
I must have missed the Emily Rogers article number 3. Anyone have a link to that, or where in this thread that discussion started?
If they really have left out the camera I'll be delighted. I've been calling on them to do that for years. If they want to do AR games do them on mobile where the camera is of acceptable quality.
Uh the articles are linked in the same post. Maybe I should add them behind each bullet point... I didn't wanna do this because it'd be a lot of repeat links as multiple points go to the same article sometimes.
Yeah I was thinking like a general NX discussion topic, but it'd probably get overshadowed anyway each time there's some new news thread. Linking to my comment is what I planned to do.
Discomurf
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2 people playing Mario sports tennis in a tent at a campsite - could see it
Mithos
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It's great as it is. Easy to read and navigate imho.
Update:
LCGeek's post about the CPU (I guess this is the one you're thinking about)
Source post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200144552&postcount=786
Skittzo0413
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Hm that's an interesting point. There's clearly something Nintendo is holding close to their chest... back in the summer I was speculating that it could be advanced head or eye tracking. I wonder if they actually do have some sort of image sensing "gimmick" or hook that they haven't revealed to partners yet, which is why devkits (or however Emily got her info) don't have cameras on the portable device.
Nate didn't write that article lol.
I didn't write that. All I've said is Pascal Tegra on Twitter on July 29.
My bad. I didn't make it down past the game rumours, at that stage I just quoted you. Apologies.
IT's beside the pt. I do like how some like to be very specific about crap they don't know about.
It's not just for AR games though, and it's not just for their games, also 3rd parties, and it's not for just games either, but social apps etc. And does the camera in the WiiU bother you? The fact that you don't use it? Does it bother you that others do enjoy making Mii's with Miimaker's camera feature? That other people use the WiiU to make videocalls? I could understand if you thought these camera's cost an arm and a leg, but i highly doubt that.
You don't have nothing to proof to HappyN. I suggest you don't waste your time on him. He is enjoying this.
Maybe you could just put a link in the OP to this post. That way you're not cluttering the OP with more rumors and conjecture, but people can still easily find all the info in one place.
Skittzo0413
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Nothing in Emily's (or LPVG's) reports suggest that there isn't any increased performance when docked. They don't say there WILL be either, but nothing in these reports makes it seem like any more of a pipe dream than before.
It's not that the camera 'bothers' me, so to speak, but the gain is so little for the added expense and more importantly added bezel size.
Making Miis using the camera is such a minor feature, and not one that works particularly well. Where else has the camera on the Wii U been used to great effect? What percentage of people do you think ever once made a videocall using their Wii U? One percent? A tenth of one percent?
The NX won't be about social apps. Everything a phone can do better should be left to a phone. The NX cannot compete with phones when it comes to apps. It should focus entirely on being the best game system it can be. Even then, why is a camera crucial for social apps?
I won't be. It's reached levels of just silliness.
I would be flabbergasted if the machine that is going to soon be playing Pokemon won't have a camera or a mic built in.
Pokemon Amie is a big (little) feature for the game and has been returning for a long time for a reason: because its popular. It needs a camera and a mic for the interactivity.
I'd sooner say that the dev kits don't need a mic and camera built into them at all and an external attachment can do the job until the final build finds a way to incorporate them.
Pokemon Amie is a big (little) feature for the game and has been returning for a long time for a reason: because its popular. It needs a camera and a mic for the interactivity.
I'd sooner say that the dev kits don't need a mic and camera built into them at all and an external attachment can do the job until the final build finds a way to incorporate them.
It did sound a little fantastical from the beginning. Kind of like the holographic projector hidden behind the lid on the Wii but on a much smaller scale and not nearly as crazy, but fantastical nonetheless.
It's not so much about what you or me think it might be used a lot for. It's about the risk of not including it compared to what it actually costs. It was cool enough to see the person with the gamepad his face floating around in Nano Assault. It could very well be used in the next Animal Crossing to make your own facewrap on your vilager or to create fabric patterns... but if there is one big app, let's say like Minecraft, that starts using it, and you don't have a camera because you wanted to save 30 cents on a 249 device, i think Nintendo would be kicking itself.
It depends on what you 're expecting. Them reducing the clock speed in handheld mode on a lower resolution (720p screen), to conserve battery, and then clocking the GPU to its "normal" frequency when docked to the TV, would very much be a logical thing to do. My first laptop did this; back in 2001. It was called speedstep. My phone does this too.
Oh... ya that's true isn't it?
Fourth Storm
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Anyone raise the possibility that there will be an NX app or some type of sync with cell phones/tablets that lets one instantly send pics to their NX? All I ever heard from folks on GAF was how crappy and worthless Nintendo's cameras are. Maybe they just said, "Screw it. Let's let 'em use their own." I still wouldn't be surprised if there is a camera peripheral sold separately for home use.
Even if Nintendo cheapened out on the cameras again this time around the camera would have a decent quality, because even cheap cameras are good nowadays. The only limiting factors for Nintendo would be the space in the console and the price for the camera. (NX seems to be quite expensive as it is.)
Nintendo did mention they want more connectivity with smartphones, so an app for that would make sense.
lol that is the same person.
Fourth Storm
Member
Yeah, it sure is surprising to me as well, if the report is accurate. Let's see where they're going with this. Moving the right analog stick tells me that they're listening to someone w/ this system (personally, I loved the right stick above, so it ain't me).
Now I'm doubly confused lol.
Yeah, they're listening to the hardcore Gamecube lovers because they want their c-stick back in the rightful position.
And I love them for it! This is justice. This is where it belongs.
I'm Direct-Feed Games. Not SemiAccurate.
Refreshment.01
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i already considered that in the very post you replied to. Some sort of image sensor(s) or camera(s) will most likely be included in some way.
i don't think it will be as an accesory sold separetely. Although, their could exist one which includs a camera but with different functionality to the ones included wih the NX.
Maybe a camera sold separetely for something like Nintendo's Amiibo Skylander type of game.
It's just a super versatile input device: Social features, motion controls, biometrics, object tracking and orientation, AR... too much posibilities at an accesible cost to not include.
Here are some posibilities if the camera's position is not something like we usually see in a mobile device like a tablet or smartphone as the rumor says:
- 1. The camera is detached from the device, either alone as a sensor bar or in the dock.
- 2.The camera is inside the device itself, used as a close proximity sensor or for registering button inputs.
- 3. The cameras are inside the detachable controllers for similar use to number 2, saving size, weight and costs.
- Less licekly the cameras are in the detachable controls but for spatial positioning uses.
Yes, the speculation of the NX device interacting with other mobile devices pops up at one time or another in NX discussion threads. The use you mention would cover mostly the social aspect of using the camera at least.
Oh, that's what I meant in the edit.
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