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[ggx2ac]

Found something from that interview for those that think NX needs to be revealed after Pokémon Sun & Moon.

Given the NX will be released next March, won't that cause people to stop buying consoles this year?
Our business is a lively one. Of course, if you compare the Wii U to the Wii, you understand that situation. When the NX is released, the Wii U business will slow. But the 3DS has Pokemon coming this autumn, and that's such a big hit that I can't imagine the NX will have a negative impact on the 3DS.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=203756055&postcount=277

Edit: Well, the Wii U is selling pretty slow as it is.

 

[Clessidor]

Games that actually used dual analog like FPS ones would be really uncomfortable with this setup though... the right stick is way too low.

Yes I know. I just played with the idea of something looking more like this:

But like I said. It would have too many inputs and there is no real reason to discuss this. I just said I once played with the idea.

Still I have no idea how the split controller thing will play out. It somehow should work holden vertical and horizontal and it should feel comftortable. But as longer as I think about it, it will never work out.
I mean, just think about the original 3DS. It's possible for me to hold it that my thumb lies comfortable over the Dpad. But then I hold it in a way that the reast of my fingers have to streach to reach the shoulder button. That is my main concern.

EDIT:

Is it even meant to be funny?

Yeah, it seems to be a parody on NX rumours. Their news yesterday just lacked the right tonality.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Sony would really have trouble with NEO fest this month if Nintendo drops NX news Tuesday

 

[ggx2ac]

Sony would really have trouble with NEO fest this month if Nintendo drops NX news Tuesday

That was fake. 10do is doing a prank. Nothing NX-related is happening on September 6th.

 

[Hermii]

Sony would really have trouble with NEO fest this month if Nintendo drops NX news Tuesday

They won't. It was a joke. I guess something was lost in translation from German.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I would think it's you who wants to be put out of their misery, haha.

They are all in on it but us ;___; We should have a super secret Gaf direct! They show us all the goods.

Someone on GAF KNOWS

it hurts to think about it

March 2017 is soon, I hope to survive until launch

 

[MCN]

Yes I know. I just played with the idea of something looking more like this:

But like I said. It would have too many inputs and there is no real reason to discuss this. I just said I once played with the idea.

I like that! Never mind too many inputs, devs don't have to use all of them, and it gives the flexibility for the multiplayer thing.

I'm imagining the split-controller multiplayer thing to be limited to maybe SNES-style games that don't require analog control, btw.

Could be immense for VC games.

 

[Hermii]

I still don't understand whats so neat about the split controller concept. I wonder how they will try to sell it.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

That was fake. 10do is doing a prank. Nothing NX-related is happening on September 6th.

They won't. It was a joke. I guess something was lost in translation from German.

as a PS4 owner I am super salty that my console will be weak sauce soon

I can't afford both so NX is my focus this month regardless of when Nintendo lifts the curtains I have zero hype for NEO because it shits on my first ever Playstation purchase

 

[Smellycat]

I still don't understand whats so neat about the split controller concept. I wonder how they will try to sell it.

To be honest I think it is very clever.

Play at home/on the go:

1. Play with the controller intact
2. Detach one of the sides to use special controller attachments designed for specific games
3. Detach both sides to play multiplayer. The screen is multitouch and provides feedback so the controls can be mapped on the screen

 

[L Thammy]

Sony would really have trouble with NEO fest this month if Nintendo drops NX news Tuesday

Kaz Hirai is shitting his pants right now.

 

[KAL2006]

Just an idea

The split controllers when attached will have DPAD and Buttons close to their analog sticks. When you want to detach you need to press a button underneath and then slide the DPAD and buttons down. When detached this would ensure DPAD and Buttons are on the other side of this he controller for comfortable sideways NES controls. Of course you can slide this hehe DPAD and Buttons back up when detached for dual controller Wii Mote style use.

As for NES style sideways controls.what if there was 2 scroller should buttons hidden for use when using this he hehe controller sideways. Remember this hehe hehe patent. This was you can even have horizontal camera controls for and game like Zelda. In fact what if the new Zelda has optional 2 player local multiplayer for the main campaign which will be shown when NX is revealed.


Edit sorry about the typos phone is playing up

 

[ggx2ac]

as a PS4 owner I am super salty that my console will be weak sauce soon

I can't afford both so NX is my focus this month regardless of when Nintendo lifts the curtains I have zero hype for NEO because it shits on my first ever Playstation purchase

Wow, it sucks you didn't buy any of the previous generation PlayStations. Those had way better software libraries compared to what PS4 has.

With a PS3, you could also buy PS2 and PS1 games digitally to play.

 

[BreakAtmo]

I like that! Never mind too many inputs, devs don't have to use all of them, and it gives the flexibility for the multiplayer thing.

I'm imagining the split-controller multiplayer thing to be limited to maybe SNES-style games that don't require analog control, btw.

Could be immense for VC games.

Yeah, I like the idea. The inputs are fine - you'd really just use them like a normal controller layout, having everything on both sides would just be so you could attach either one to either end, and so Nintendo could make only one controller rather than 2. Devs could use them if they liked but it wouldn't be expected.

Of course, you'd also have to have triggers on the top and bottom.

 

[Milly Osworth]

Could Nintendo be crazy enough to wait with an NX announcement to trick people into a WiiU or 3DS this holiday season?

 

[Genio88]

as a PS4 owner I am super salty that my console will be weak sauce soon

I can't afford both so NX is my focus this month regardless of when Nintendo lifts the curtains I have zero hype for NEO because it shits on my first ever Playstation purchase

Yep, PC and NX is the best choice to me right now, since Microsoft exclusives are all on PC too and Sony ones are not worth a console price to me, so a good gaming PC for all multiplatforms and Xbox exclusives and NX for mobile and Nintendo games.

 

[8bit]

Yes I know. I just played with the idea of something looking more like this:

I like the perhaps unconscious shout out to the N64 controller, but it's a bit too busy.

 

[ggx2ac]

Could Nintendo be crazy enough to wait with an NX announcement to trick people into a WiiU or 3DS this holiday season?

Did you see my post earlier?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215863654

Kimishima thinks that NX would slow Wii U sales down whereas 3DS would be fine with Pokémon.

The shocking thing to occur is if Kimishima delays revealing NX because he wants Wii U Hardware to reach those 240k units sold for the fiscal year.

That sounds hilarious to happen.

I seriously don't think they will delay revealing NX.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I still don't understand whats so neat about the split controller concept. I wonder how they will try to sell it.

do you mean why they detach from the screen part?

I would imagine it opens up a whole new Peripherals business

notice we have not heard talk of a camera or NFC reader

you could buy those as controller part add-on they would plug in where the controller would be

want your favorite layout you can buy that too

 

[Milly Osworth]

Did you see my post earlier?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215863654

Kimishima thinks that NX would slow Wii U sales down whereas 3DS would be fine with Pokémon.

The shocking thing to occur is if Kimishima delays revealing NX because he wants Wii U Hardware to reach those 240k units sold.

That sounds hilarious to happen.

I seriously don't think they will delay revealing NX.

It wouldnt surprise me really. NX reveal in february 😑

 

[Hermii]

Could Nintendo be crazy enough to wait with an NX announcement to trick people into a WiiU or 3DS this holiday season?

What do they have for Wii U this holiday? Anything? I think they are banking on the NES mini for holiday sales.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

You mean plastic with metallic paint? That wasn't real metal, was it?

It's definitely metal. It's a perfect straight + formed material that's incredibly solid (no flexing or creaking at all), dents when dropped (Nintendo shipped every Micro with a carry pouch to prevent chips and scuffs), and becomes cold to the touch in the winter. Apparently it's anodized metal rather than painted - or at least the Famicom and Mother3 models are, which have a more glossy/reflective surface than the metallic models.

 

[Jenotron]

I'm so worried they're going to mess things up again. I don't want to live in a world where are only new Mario games come out on mobile.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I don't think the NX sounds very innovative from what we know. It just sounds like a mix mash of previous ideas, but we'll see what else there is.

I find it funny though the people who discredit this say "it sounds like the Wii and Wii U and it's not innovative", yet they want to believe the NX is a powerful console and I'm asking myself "how is a powerful console an innovative product?" Lol

 

[Hermii]

I don't think the NX sounds very innovative from what we know. It just sounds like a mix mash of previous ideas, but we'll see what else there is.

I find it funny though the people who discredit this say "it sounds like the Wii and Wii U and it's not innovative", yet they want to believe the NX is a powerful console and I'm asking myself "how is a powerful console an innovative product?" Lol

It sounds a lot better than the Wii U imo even if its not very innovative. It sounds like powerful gaming tablet that can be connected your tv easily. Also it will have all of Nintendos first party output on one device. Im no market analyst, but to me that sounds a pretty marketable.

 

[Rösti]

Did you see my post earlier?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215863654

Kimishima thinks that NX would slow Wii U sales down whereas 3DS would be fine with Pokémon.

The shocking thing to occur is if Kimishima delays revealing NX because he wants Wii U Hardware to reach those 240k units sold for the fiscal year.

That sounds hilarious to happen.

I seriously don't think they will delay revealing NX.

That would likely be something Nintendo would communicate during the FY 2016 Semi-Annual Financial Results Briefing tentatively scheduled for October 27, 2016. Or maybe in a news conference the day before in conjunction with the earnings release.

 

[radcliff]

Unless Nintendo lied straight to our faces I don't think there's a new Metroid Prime coming anytime soon. They said there's no Prime game in development right now.

Because of this, any rumor/"leak" that mentions Metroid Prime 4 is automatically a fake to me.

Kensuke Tenabe said that Retro wasn't working on more Donkey Kong Country sometime after they completed DKCR for Wii and we know how that turned out. He is the same person who said Metroid Prime wasn't in development. He also said he didn't know what Retro was working on. So who knows if he is lying or not, or just doesn't know..

 

[Dark Cloud]

It sounds a lot better than the Wii U imo even if its not very innovative. It sounds like powerful gaming tablet that can be connected your tv easily. Also it will have all of Nintendos first party output on one device. Im no market analyst, but to me that sounds a pretty marketable.

Idk why I keep forgetting about all the games on one machine. I hope they drive that home.

 

[Plinko]

Did you see my post earlier?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215863654

Kimishima thinks that NX would slow Wii U sales down whereas 3DS would be fine with Pokémon.

The shocking thing to occur is if Kimishima delays revealing NX because he wants Wii U Hardware to reach those 240k units sold for the fiscal year.

That sounds hilarious to happen.

I seriously don't think they will delay revealing NX.

Yeah, I don't see it, either. He isn't speaking like it will be a huge blow--just a natural occurence.

 

[KAL2006]

I don't think the NX sounds very innovative from what we know. It just sounds like a mix mash of previous ideas, but we'll see what else there is.

I find it funny though the people who discredit this say "it sounds like the Wii and Wii U and it's not innovative", yet they want to believe the NX is a powerful console and I'm asking myself "how is a powerful console an innovative product?" Lol

I think that's what Nitendo os going for a mish mash of ideas and on here on out they may make iterative consoles every 4 years that improve on the formula


From rumours we have
- Motion Plus Wii Remote Gameplay
- NES style and Wii Remote local multiplayer focus
- Traditional games with dual analogs
- Multi touchscreen support
- Home Console
- Portable Console
- Tablet gyro play
- Traditional controller portable mode like Vita
- Detached controller with stand for portable

The slogan and idea I'm for this system will be play how you want when you want and where you want.

Some examples

Mario Kart
- just the tablet on its own with gyro and touch
- on the tablet with the controllers attached
- tablet on its stand, using detached controllers (local multi)
- tablet docked to play on the TV

Call of Duty
- Just the tablet us if awful touchscreen controls
- on the tablet with controllers attached
- tablet on its stand using detached controls bit using dual analogs
- tablet on its stand using detached controls but using motion plus for pointer controls
- tablet docked to play on TV using dual analogs
- tablet docked to play on TV using motion controls

Finally we will of course get games that only work certain ways
- Such as Kirby Canvas Curse only working in the tablet using touchscreen but you never know they may be able to make it work using motion pointer controls

Anyways this will ensure Nintendo can support all types of games right out of the box using all these control methods. They can have a game like COD, to Wii Sports, to Nintendogs. They can make the system appeal to people who like local multiplayer to peiple who like motion controls, to peiple who like traditional Nintendo games like Zelda, to light gamers who like touch controls, to people who don't want their kids to take over the TV, to peiple who want a portable system on the go to peiple who want a home Nintendo console.

All this comes right out of the box without the need if any additional peripherals.

Box includes
- Tablet
- 2 Detachable Controllers
- Dock

 

[Davey Cakes]

Nintendo's patents threw people for a loop. That's probably why they can't accept NX purely for what's been described in the reports and rumors.

For all that we've heard so far, the mere idea that something completely different could exist seems possible to people because there's a version in their heads of a system that uses all these other technologies. The biggest one is likely the SCD patent, which does seem like it would be a game changer if it were implemented in some way. But then there are also the ones that involve special viewing angles and holograms, the free form display, and more.

It's no wonder that not everyone is convinced just yet.

 

[lwilliams3]

Back in March, IndieGamerChick said she heard from sources that NX was more powerful than PS4, and it had very powerful horsepower.

When SuperMetalDave64 used her quotes as evidence of NX being this super powerful system, she responded:

After reviewing the thread for IndieGamerChick's statement, she is not too far off from the other sources we have now. We have more than one source saying that the system is easy to port to, there is more than one way to use a controller, etc. The only thing that appears to be an outliner is when her sources said that, "the rumor that it is stronger than the PS4 is "technically " correct". We don't know what is this referenced to. If they were just talking about the CPU, for example, that will fit with LCGeek's statement.

It does seem that the system is much more modern than the PS4, though.

 

[tassletine]

The genius of this system isn't the fact that the controllers are removable, but they are replaceable with whatever the developer wants. We should be in for a stunning variety of gameplay.

 

[Stilton Disco]

The genius of this system isn't the fact that the controllers are removable, but they are replaceable with whatever the developer wants. We should be in for a stunning variety of gameplay.

No ones is going to be making add on controllers for this just for specific games beyond maybe Nintendo, and even then, expect Circle Pad Pro levels of support at best.

Honestly, I think the main driving force for the detachable controllers is parents having to buy replacements, because kids (the primary audience) will lose and/or break one or both on a constant basis.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Wow, it sucks you didn't buy any of the previous generation PlayStations. Those had way better software libraries compared to what PS4 has.

With a PS3, you could also buy PS2 and PS1 games digitally to play.

To be fair and honest Sony really never had my type of games

I did not really get into GTA until I played Vice City on my macbook a few years ago
I am 42 so this is not an age thing or maybe it is
Vice City really helped me play all the rest of the GTAs I downloaded them all from Steam an played for months

it would shock you how many top IPs that I only enjoy Giantbomb Quick Looks of but cannot play them for myself because 1) I suck at them 2) I am not having any fun

I played 5 hours of the Witcher 3
go to the Xenoblade X thread I don't even turn my Wii U off for that game

I got my PS4 for arcade racers I don't like the Sim racers like GT which is Sony's flagship racer

my top most played

The Crew
DriveClub
GTA5
DOA5LR
Destiny (stopped after TTK)

I wanted NO MAN'S SKY to be a time sink until Zelda
played 20 hours so that is pretty good

I got this PS4 because EA and Ubi stopped supporting Wii U

I had fun but trust me I have wasted a lot of money on great IPs that I do not enjoy playing $60 is huge for me to waste for 5 minutes
I follow some youtube channels just for Dark Souls Lore
spend hours watching let's plays of the whole series from start to finish
I do no enjoy playing them myself tho

I no longer have any regrets of PS1-PS2-PS3

the NEO thing kills me because PS4 was my no regrets machine I'll have the most powerful console so all the ports will work out great if I want to play them - welp lol

 

[Plinko]

No ones is going to be making add on controllers for this just for specific games beyond maybe Nintendo, and even then, expect Circle Pad Pro levels of support at best.

Honestly, I think the main driving force for the detachable controllers is parents having to buy replacements, because kids (the primary audience) will lose and/or break one or both on a constant basis.

If the patents about unique input recognition are true, the controllers might not even need to have much internally. That could open the possibility for super cheap controller formats.

 

[Cheeseman Battitude]

No ones is going to be making add on controllers for this just for specific games beyond maybe Nintendo, and even then, expect Circle Pad Pro levels of support at best.

Honestly, I think the main driving force for the detachable controllers is parents having to buy replacements, because kids (the primary audience) will lose and/or break one or both on a constant basis.

Unless it sells well and then we'll get a variety of add-on shite like we did with the WIi.

 

[TLZ]

But you're certain it's not going to be a Wii Remote going off of what you said earlier.



Please show me what are the exact words that contradict the Wii Remotes or detachable controllers on NX when Kimishima was talking about Wii U when compared to NX.

I'm not certain of anything. It's what Kimishima said from the quotes earlier. That and the rumors just don't add up for me. He says it's a new way to play. The rumors so far haven't shown the 'new'. It's all improved old stuff.

Hopefully this gets revealed soon so all this is behind us and we can talk about the real thing instead.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I went through everything in the OP so if something new has happened, I've missed this.

I really just want to see this fucking thing now. If the battery rumours are true, I probably won't be there day one but I wanna know what they've cooked up for their next generation.

 

[KingSnake]

So we're going to have another Wii? Even though it's been said the NX is nothing like the Wii?

Kimishima:





http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=203756055&postcount=277

This is why I don't get any of the rumors.

Kimishima said it won't be another Wii U , he said nothing about Wii .

There's nothing contradictory between that statement and the rumours. It doesn't replace the 3ds, because they plan to support a bit more the 3ds and it doesn't replace the Wii U, because it's a different concept than Wii U.

 

[Hero of Legend]

I wonder if we can expect Tekken 7 to come out on NX. Namco really do a good job at supporting Nintendo. Tekken was released on the Wii U and 3DS.

I think it's very likely. The bigger question for BN to me is if Tales of Berseria or the one following that will make it to NX.

 

[TLZ]

Kimishima said it won't be another Wii U , he said nothing about Wii .

There's nothing contradictory between that statement and the rumours. It doesn't replace the 3ds, because they plan to support a bit more the 3ds and it doesn't replace the Wii U, because it's a different concept than Wii U.

The Wii and Wii U are the same brand. I thought they're moving away from it all.

 

[ozfunghi]

I went through everything in the OP so if something new has happened, I've missed this.

I really just want to see this fucking thing now. If the battery rumours are true, I probably won't be there day one but I wanna know what they've cooked up for their next generation.

I'll quote myself

The Tegra X1 is in the devkit and it is being actively cooled.
That means two things: it's clocked high enough to produce good performance, but also much heat.
NateDrake told us the final GPU inside, will be Pascal based.
The Pascal successor to the TX1 is 60% more powerefficient.
This means two things. It will consume 60% less power. It will run much less hot than the TX1 to reach the same performance.

Conclusion: battery life can be boosted tremendously by switching to Pascal, due to the chip draining 60% less power, and due to the fact that it doesn't need active cooling, hence no cooling fan further draining the battery.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

I was thinking imagine if they keep the name Wii for the NX.. It would be tragic and hilarious at the same time

 

[Refreshment.01]

Just an idea

The split controllers when attached will have DPAD and Buttons close to their analog sticks. When you want to detach you need to press a button underneath and then slide the DPAD and buttons down. When detached this would ensure DPAD and Buttons are on the other side of this he controller for comfortable sideways NES controls. Of course you can slide this hehe DPAD and Buttons back up when detached for dual controller Wii Mote style use.

As for NES style sideways controls.what if there was 2 scroller should buttons hidden for use when using this he hehe controller sideways. Remember this hehe hehe patent. This was you can even have horizontal camera controls for and game like Zelda. In fact what if the new Zelda has optional 2 player local multiplayer for the main campaign which will be shown when NX is revealed.

i commented about the above previously and i would like to take the opportunity to make a summation of things commented in the various speculation NX threads, so people can have a clear idea. For example:

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=212076846

And well, if we follow the path of solutions of this type one could come up with thousands of them. From collapsing (think a telescope) controllers to use the 4 face buttons in Wii and NES mode all the way to have sliding pieces.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215569974

Instead of what people normally speculate about having diferent attachments. Nintendo could develop just two attachments, use the image senors inside them and let the user remove the top part of the controller with buttons...

To sum up from my previous posts:

• If Nintendo goes with image sensors inside the detachable controllers or the NX itself that means the buttons won't need to be fixed in a position. Since the buttons don't need to make contacts in specific places of a PCB. This way they could indeed achieve NES style and Wii play style with the same controllers in a comfortable way. The question is durability and how the users will accept that idea because some people think detachable halfs alone make things "too complicated".

i think the separated Dpad and offset Analogue Sticks for of the latest rumors give something extra to think in regards to the above possibility:

• First, the offset Analogue Sticks means the Detachable halfs retain the same lay out for both controllers when operating in the horizontal orientation (NES style).
  
• The Split Dpad is to retain controller "parity and homogeneity" when playing multiplayer NES style. Since the 4 face buttons (ABXY) and the Dpad would feel like individual keys.
  
• And the reason to retain all those traditional buttons (Dpad and Diamond Shaped) instead of starting fresh with a simplified interface like with the Wii Remote, is to accomodate all playing styles of Nintendo games across generations in one device. Motions, Touch and traditional 2 handed controllers.

The reason to consider all of the above, is why i' ve been comenting several times, that the distance between stick and face buttons to acomodate NES style of play could compromise comfort when operating the controller vertically. im not sure if there's an optimal distance to allow the 2 controller orientations with the sticks and buttons in a fixed position. i asked but none has give me an idea.

But i think is a plausible solution, whether Nintendo ends up implement it or not is a different matter.

 

[TLZ]

Kimishima said it won't be another Wii U , he said nothing about Wii .

There's nothing contradictory between that statement and the rumours. It doesn't replace the 3ds, because they plan to support a bit more the 3ds and it doesn't replace the Wii U, because it's a different concept than Wii U.

The Wii and Wii U are the same brand. I thought they're moving away from it all.

Here you go:

And he says NX is definitely a departure from the Wii and Wii U

“As far as NX goes, I’ve said it’s different and obviously a new experience,” he tells me. “If you look back to the beginning of our conversation today, we talked about the transition from Wii hardware to the Wii U hardware and how difficult it is to explain to the consumer base what is different and new about the new hardware. It’s difficult to convince them to switch from their current platform to the next platform.”

“That being said, I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

http://time.com/4131306/nintendo-kimishima-interview/?xid=homepage

 

[KingSnake]

The Wii and Wii U are the same brand. I thought they're moving away from it all.

They might be the same brand, but they have very few in common (one of the biggest mistakes of Nintendo).

 

[TLZ]

They might be the same brand, but they have very few in common (one of the biggest mistakes of Nintendo).

Check the post above yours.

 

[Sadist]

I think it's very likely. The bigger question for BN to me is if Tales of Berseria or the one following that will make it to NX.

I'd rather have Ni No Kuni 2 actually

 

[Dark Cloud]

Who was it who talked nicer about NX? Take Two? Bethesda? Some president said something nicer about it compared to the blasting the Wii U got.

That means a lot for the NX of how they didn't blast it like they did the Wii U. Maybe, there is an SCD in play, but the sources won't tell Emily or LPVG or anyone else.