SolidQ
Member
Same as me, only care about pure price/perfomance, doesn't care about RT yet/Upscalers.
That one an interesting poll with 60k+ voters
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That one an interesting poll with 60k+ voters
ap_puff
Member
That's copium, DLSS is huge. I'm considering getting a 5080 next gen even though I generally really dislike nvidia as a corporation simply because AMD hasn't shown it can compete. If it had 24gb vram i'd be there day one.That interesting poll from TPU. Only 1.3% care about upscaling
SolidQ
Member
That next time for RDNA5/UDNA
StereoVsn
Member
It looks like 16GB unfortunately on 256bit interface for 5080, which kind of sucks.
Hawk The Slayer
Neo Member
I just want 16 of vram for the 5060 so I could use that on my 1080p monitor for GTA VI, Modded Fallout 5, and Modded Elder Scrolls VI.
Currently still on the 1000 series
I7 5820K
1 TB HDD
GTX 1070 8gb vram
16gb of system ram
1080p monitor
Don't wanna upgrade since I'm good with the games I currently play like World of Warcraft, Dead by Daylight, GTA V Online, Modded single player Bethesda game .
Currently still on the 1000 series
I7 5820K
1 TB HDD
GTX 1070 8gb vram
16gb of system ram
1080p monitor
Don't wanna upgrade since I'm good with the games I currently play like World of Warcraft, Dead by Daylight, GTA V Online, Modded single player Bethesda game .
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Senua
Gold Member
You'll care when AMD finally comes out with decent RT performance and ml upscalerSame as me, only care about pure price/perfomance, doesn't care about RT yet/Upscalers.
That one an interesting poll with 60k+ voters
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
From what I’ve played of pc gaming 4gb ram did a lot, I think 8, 16 gb of ram is safe.
BattleScar
Member
PCMR have gotten soft.
In 2016: "Hahaha, look at you console peasants with your chequerboard upscaling, we in PCMR can run native resolutions and high framerates"
In 2024: "Actually guys, Image upscaling and frame generation is important for me and my $1200 GPU"
In 2016: "Hahaha, look at you console peasants with your chequerboard upscaling, we in PCMR can run native resolutions and high framerates"
In 2024: "Actually guys, Image upscaling and frame generation is important for me and my $1200 GPU"
Hawk The Slayer
Neo Member
8gb of VRAM was good for awhile in the past but no longer even on 1080p. Get 16gb of vram just to be safe even if you're on 1080p. Lots of newer games are pushing 8gb vram or more now.
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SolidQ
Member
Nope, i will care about RT when industry will move at least 50% games to RT requirements(like Metro EE), but for now like 99%+ games still raster.
Doesn't matter AMD or NV, only matter price/perfomance
Hawk The Slayer
Neo Member
The 1000 series was the best, it lasted the longest out of all the gens. Started with gtx 260 -> gtx 670 -> 970 -> 1070 and haven't upgraded since. Next upgrade is going to be 5060, was going to go for the 70 tier but with how overpriced things are now, I'm aiming for 5060 instead of 5070.Same as me, only care about pure price/perfomance, doesn't care about RT yet/Upscalers.
That one an interesting poll with 60k+ voters
SolidQ
Member
Same, but my upgrade going to RDNA4 due VRAM and price
kevboard
Member
That interesting poll from TPU. Only 1.3% care about upscaling
developers themselves have noted that in games that support it, more than 90% of users turn DLSS on.
so maybe they "don't care" because they already have it, it is by now the default for them, and they don't even really think about it as something they "need".
if something is always there and available for you, of course after a while you stop realising just how default of a setting it has become.
Imagine if one of the poll answers was "temporal anti-aliasing". I bet it would get even less votes. as it is already a given.
the fact that raster performance is above RT performance also tells me a lot.
a 4090 can already run rasterised graphics at such a high level performance, that there's almost nowhere to go from there anymore.
you can literally play many modern games like Death Stranding, Assassin's Creed Valhalla or Hitman 3 at native 8k 30fps+ on that thing. soon mid range cards will replace it and such raster performance will be the default.
all in a world where rasterised graphics basically hit their limit. with mesh shaders, nanite and similar tech slowly eliminating pop-in and slowly giving us near infinitely detailed assets.
In such a world the only way to go from here is raytracing and ML based reconstruction to help raytracing run faster on current hardware.
so to me these poll results make little sense both from a high end and a low to mid range point of view.
from a high end point of view, raytracing is the only way forward. and from a low-mid range point of view ML based Reconstruction tech not only boosts their image quality in the immediate future, but also help keep the card relevant for longer.
TLDR: very weird poll results
Bojji
Member
Nothing changes, top GPU right now is more than 2x more powerful than most powerful console. Anyone can play at native 4k but why do that when you can have 50% (or more) better FPS with comparable image quality via DLSS?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yet, DLSS1 got absolutely shat on and nobody wanted it. DLSS now is almost as good as native while being 30% more performant when using quality. PC gamers are rightfully embracing it, but you want them to be morons by continuing to eschew upscaling because they didn't care about checkerboarding which was nowhere near as good as DLSS?
Yeah, stupid post. "Don't use DLSS PCMR. Stick to native even though DLSS is almost as good but performs much better!"
ap_puff
Member
I think the danger here is devs being lazy and using it as a crutch, we already have default-on FSR in some games that make them look like utter crap. AMD needs to get its shit together already, I can't believe they waited 2 years between FSR updates and it's still mostly trash
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Seems to be already happening.
kevboard
Member
yup. people forget that DLSS1 was worse than FSR2. it was absolutely horrifically bad.
PC players will brutally shit on your tech if it sucks, and embrace it if it works.
DLSS 2.0+ is almost literally free performance at this point. Having to only render 50-75% of the pixels while getting close to or better than native quality is just not something anyone should ignore.
it is of course dependent on the game. in extreme cases like Doom Eternal you can get image quality that beats the 4k image of the console versions while rendering only 25% of the pixels... like... how crazy is that?
so why shouldn't the "PC master race" jump on it?
"I can render 25% of your pixels and still outclass you!" what a flex is that!? work smarter not harder.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
It’s current density, barely changes design to design, but node to node the density increases.
It also means a huge motherfucking chipset, as bigger area by that current density means more current going into the chipset.
As long as they don’t go overboard with performance tweaks, if the current density is by design/standard, we’re just seeing the design’s inherent load.
Now for that current to go through power cables… that’s something else entirely
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BattleScar
Member
Yeah its still funny how goalposts change.
Consoles were shit on before for using upscalers to run at higher resolutions than optimal with good enough performance. Nowadays, PC gamers are doing the same thing. Its just funny how things swing around.
I'm not saying not to use DLSS. Use it if you want. It shouldn't be needed though.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I agree it shouldn't be needed but when you have GPUs that come out every 2 years, and with massive price increases, then it's tough. And yea it's by design.
Like what if we had this year a 6070 that ran as fast as the 4090 for $300. No real need for DLSS if that was the case.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They haven't and DLSS1 being ridiculed disproves the false narrative you're peddling. The goalposts haven't been shifted. No one wanted DLSS1 because it sucked. People want DLSS2-3 because they're good. You wanted people to embrace garbage tech?
nemiroff
Gold Member
Eh, no. The voters could only vote on the one thing they care most about. So unless the voters were able to vote on multiple items it does not mean they don't care about upscaling.That interesting poll from TPU. Only 1.3% care about upscaling
That's not what happened at all. You have a disingenuous or faulty memory. Obviously, AI upscaling is relatively mature technology now.
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Quixz
Member
Driver nerf for the 4090 is coming before these arriveCan someone tell me how 5080 can be 10% faster than 4090? 4090 has 60% more cores and is better in every aspect:
Even less power draw so 4GHz clock (lol) is out of the picture.
Dr.D00p
Member
It's not meant for people who need to know this...
Bluntman
Member
It will be but not because Nvidia is cheap, but because otherwise AI powerusers would buy them up. Like the cryptomining era, gamers wouldn't be able to buy GPU-s.
That's why the 5090 will be an even more completely different category than the 4090 before it.
And it's going to be extremely expensive. Because Nvidia doesnt want to lose out of profits on pro users buying this instead of the 10k dollar pro products.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
As of today, there are more than 100 games with RT support, and new RT games are being added every week. People who build a new GPU right now should think about RT performance, because what's the point of buying a new PC for old games, when even old and cheap GPU will run those games. Some games no longer even support raster, and Nvidia card is crushing AMD when it comes to RT performance.Same as me, only care about pure price/perfomance, doesn't care about RT yet/Upscalers.
That one an interesting poll with 60k+ voters
For example I have compared the performance of my 4080S to the 7900XTX in Black Myth Wukong and I have a 240% better performance with the RT in this game.
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Corporal.Hicks
Member
I like to use both DLSS balance and DLDSR at the same time. The image quality always looks better than TAA native or DLAA because DSR is basically downsampled image but without performance penalty thanks to "DLSS balance" upscaling. If the game has a good DLSS implementation, even DLSS Ultra performance + DLDSR looks better than TAA native and I get 2x better performance in such game.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is a scary response to my comment. Things are getting weird.
Thebonehead
Member
SweetTooth
Gold Member
For 4x the price .. fantastic value
It's coming back around with PSSR.
Bojji
Member
For 4x the price .. fantastic value
I never said that 4090 is good value
Where I live I can buy Pro for:
4090 for:
That's 2.4x more. Power difference between 4090 and 7700xt is 2.2:
Between 4090 and 4070 (you can say that Pro has more feature parity with this one) is exactly 2x.
Still bad value but not 4x. Probably depends where you live.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
I never said that 4090 is good value
Where I live I can buy Pro for:
4090 for:
That's 2.4x more. Power difference between 4090 and 7700xt is 2.2:
Between 4090 and 4070 (you can say that Pro has more feature parity with this one) is exactly 2x.
Still bad value but not 4x. Probably depends where you live.
Oh.. I didn't know you can play games on the GPU alone! News to me
Thanks
Dr.D00p
Member
Why?
The 90 class is meant for people for whom dropping $2K+ on a GPU is no more significant than you or I dropping $5 on a cheeseburger.
It sucks that PC gaming is like that now but it is what it is.
..and besides, despite all the hype, 90 class sales only represent 1-2% of the GPU market.
Bojji
Member
Discussion was about GPU alone so far.
For someone that already has pc with good enough CPU, GPU alone is needed for upgrade (plus you get money from selling old GPU).
Anyway, xx90 series is not for people that seek value. 5090 will have even more ridiculous price.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Bolded can be applied to PS5 for people upgrading to PRO?! So my original point is still valid, anyways whatever suit you man
Also I can apply your end quote to PS5PRO and say that its not for people who seek value too!!
Its crazy to me that you had this conclusion and yet you are in every PRO thread crying about its price
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Bojji
Member
Bolded can be applied to PS5 for people upgrading to PRO?! So my original point is still valid, anyways whatever suit you man
Also I can apply your end quote to PS5PRO and say that its not for people who seek value too!!
Its crazy to me that you had this conclusion and yet you are in every PRO thread crying about its price
You can't change just one or two things inside PS5 to get Pro, you need change the whole console and buy disk drive to reach feature parity with old system.
Check out PS5 price discussion here, most people don't like price of this thing at all.
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Bojji
Member
It's inevitable, this forum is like ~70% PlayStation owners so every thread will always get some console elements in it.
Back to the topic: What's the predicted price for 5080, 1000$ or 1200$? I don't expect anything lower from company that don't have any competition and is focused on Ai market right now (GPUs are like their hobby right now, hahaha).
asdasdasdbb
Member
$1299
MarV0
Neo Member
You couldn't be further from the truth.
Taking the average US salary of 60k as a baseline in order for $2000 to feel like $5 someone needs an annual salary of $24 million. There is very few people that earn that and I can assure you they are not into video games and graphics cards.
Most people buying 4090s and 5090s are loading up their credit cards. That is the sad reality.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's scary for the part that I bolded. It's the fact that you so easily accept it that's scary. $2,000 for a GPU should never be okay.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I think it's one of those things where it exists only because people will buy it that high.
Plus the 5090 is probally more than 2k.
amigastar
Member
I'm still waiting for that Neural Texture compression from Nvidia, what happened to that?
I have only 12 GB of ram in my RTX 4070
The 5090 won't need that with 32 gb of ram.
I have only 12 GB of ram in my RTX 4070
The 5090 won't need that with 32 gb of ram.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No way LOL! Are you serious or you being funny?
asdasdasdbb
Member
If it's the cut that has 32 GB, yeah it's going to be more. I'd say $2499.
The earlier rumors had speculated that they were going to use the one that is deeper cut and also cut the memory bus to 448-bit. They might still use that in some other product. That one I think would be $1999.
Do keep in mind most of the GB202 sales are going to be workstation/AI products which will be double,triple the price of the 5090.
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asdasdasdbb
Member
Same as me, only care about pure price/perfomance, doesn't care about RT yet/Upscalers.
That one an interesting poll with 60k+ voters
That actually gels with half of Sony's user base being on PS4. They aren't playing the latest games, they are playing Fortnite and GTA V.