CrichtonKicks
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Weird. Conversation seems to essentially be there to say "Chris is hetero but not interested in Jill."
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Weird. Conversation seems to essentially be there to say "Chris is hetero but not interested in Jill."
Jawmuncher
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I've said before that capcom needs to either have Chris gay or hook up with jill. There's no other options in my book.
Nemesis_
Member
Just do both and make Chris bi tbh
Jawmuncher
Member
I would accept the compromise.
Dragon1893
Member
Yeah, wouldn't mind seeing Sherry again as well, I liked her in 6 and it's just cool to see the little girl from RE2 kicking ass.
She needs to team up with Claire though, would be a huge missed opportunity if it never happened.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
There is absolutely no proof behind this, but I think Helena almost was Capcom's attempt to make a more likable Angela from Damnation.
Angela:
Helena:
They're both voiced by Laura Bailey, they're both officials in some form of protection/government agency who team up with Leon and forge some friendship, they both have some very similar character traits, both have a sibling that's then mutated and becomes a tragic victim (and both even die in a similar way, latching onto Angela/Helena, and then having to let them go to fall dramatically to their death).
There's a few other things, but I always took Helena almost to be like a re-take on trying to make an Angela-like character, and to be fair, I do like Helena more than Angela, but will admit out of the new characters in RE6, she was probably my least favorite personally.
I kind of just take it that Chris is bi, Capcom seem more than aware of both the Chris x Jill shippers and Chris' large gay fanbase, I don't think Chris will ever get into any more sexual territory than showing concern for others (and fan service costumes), but bisexual seem the way to tackle that one (and the way they've been tackling it, if anything).
Which reminds me my endless amusement at Piers email you can unlock in Revelations 2, where he both makes a few apologies for his men's behavior of Claire visiting and makes a few sweeping flirting comments with her, but also injects that he heard Chris looked a lot different when he was younger and is asking if she could send him some pics of younger Chris. Almost seems like Piers is just Redfieldsexual at that point.
Junahu
Member
That's going to be a very awkward reunion, considering the crap she and Leon got forced into after Claire left.
RE2 spent a while establishing that Claire was a better mother for Sherry because she wasn't going to abandon her for anything. But then right at the end she's like, "ok that's done, gotta bounce. Still need to find my brother, so have fun with this stranger while I'm gone, sweetie"
LOL Or you know, he could just be straight and has Jill in the friendzone.
Jawmuncher
Member
To me Chris would be the biggest gaming character reveal of being gay and it not feeling force. It was cool of comics lately to do it, but it always felt forced to me. Oh Ice Man is gay, because we said so.
He must have some high standards to put jill in the friendzone. Or she is a messy housemate or something.
He must have some high standards to put jill in the friendzone. Or she is a messy housemate or something.
Dragon1893
Member
Well, the other options were giving up on finding her brother or taking Sherry with her on a very dangerous mission.
It would nice to get some backstory on that though. I like to think that after CV getting back to Sherry was her priority.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
"Piers was my one love. I couldn't possibly love another"
For all the jokes people make about Piers and Chris, it's overwhelmingly unlikely that there was any serious intent to portray them as anything but straight, with a couple of humorous acknowledgements of the closeness of their platonic relationship. The lack of romantic subplots for Chris doesn't mean much when most lead characters in the series don't have their relationships focused on.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Sherry seems to look up to Claire in RE6 and wants to be like her to some degree if I remember correctly from the files. Resident Evil 6's files also mention that Claire kept constant contact with Sherry and visited her a lot.
Some files about Claire and the RE2 fallout in RE6:
Some files about Claire and the RE2 fallout in RE6:
sure there are
that kind of thing is supplemental to his character- he's not a lovesick puppy like leon.
he's a professional out on the job every time we see him and bringing that kinda shit up in the middle of what is going on in any game isn't really in line with how he's been presented.
hooking him up w jill loses the extremely unique 'war buddies' bond they got going on though so i'm actually highly against that
like seriously how many male/female leads in any form of media have gone on this long without being either familial or forced into some romantic garbage with each other
Jawmuncher
Member
Someone needs to get some in RE7. Even RE6 was a tease with Jake and Sherry.
Dragon1893
Member
Maybe she's just not his type.
Plot twist:
The blond hair in 5 is actually Jill's attempt to get Chris' attention.
Junahu
Member
That's ideally where her character arc was going. Claire grew from someone who needed to chase after her missing brother (who she discovers early on is probably okay and doesn't want Claire to chase him), into a person willing to put that aside to look after the people right in front of her who need her.
I would have been more fine with CV, if Claire actually rescued Chris. But she messed up enough to have Chris come bail HER out, which smacks of a painfully aborted arc and rendered her actions completely impotant.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
The only couple to get some in a Resident Evil game is Bruce and Fong Ling in Dead Aim.
Though in the film Damnation, it is heavily hinted that Leon and Ada before the events of the film had slept together at some point between RE4 and Damnation.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Got it on sale. Biggest waste of 10 bucks ever.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I have a strange curveball relationship with Operation Raccoon City, but it definitely shows off its worst traits right at the beginning, a forced tutorial section on how to do cover-shooting while shooting a lot of guards with guns.
I initially really hated Operation Raccoon City the first time I played it, and wasn't feeling it. I played with friends and got up to after the fight with Nemesis (end of third chapter, I believe?). I just did not like my time with it, and declared then and there it was my least favorite Resident Evil game, even more-so than Gun Survivor 2.
But then later, we tried playing it again months after, and though I didn't quite like it, I didn't hate it like my first time playing. It was ehhh, but I finished it and some of my strong dislikes (the shooting reaction and controls that felt wonky to me) for some reason I didn't feel the second time playing.
And then the kicker. I actually like the DLC campaign in Operation Raccoon City. It gets better as it goes along, but it had much better level design, much better lighting, music, new mechanics and enemies are nice, narrative, boss fights, a bigger focus on B.O.W.'s that was appreciated, gameplay scenarios... It's not like the best RE game out there, but I actually liked its fucking DLC campaign as did the people I played with far more than the main game, but it's such a tough recommend because it's still Operation Raccoon City, and its DLC you need to pay for on-top of the main game... If you see ORC on Steam on sale and decide to buy it, I heavily encourage people to buy the complete pack for a few bucks more.
I almost want to think Capcom stepped in some more after ORC released and helped develop the DLC, it feels more Resident Evil-like than anything in the main game at points, and feels much tighter designed and with better focus.
Jawmuncher
Member
ORC is an ok game if you buy it for cheap and can play with friends. If you can't play with friends playing on easy helps out with a lot if it's flaws like bullet sponge enemies.
Alright, might give it a second chance someday. But man did it leave a bad first impression.
Community threads start in Gaming and then get moved to Community, as I understand it. Same with OT that go on too long.
Jawmuncher
Member
First thread was made ages ago. After contacting the mods they allowed us to make a new community thread that will stay on gaming side for a month before moving to community.
ah okay it all makes sense now.
Neff
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Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Keep in mind you shouldn't force yourself to play something if you dislike it, Operation Raccoon City is still in my lower entries if I had to rank the franchise. Just I know I personally had a strange curveball relationship with it. Obviously it should be played co-op I will add, I've only played it with others so that might help some.
I don't know how many people have played Operation Raccoon City's DLC campaign, it's about the same length as the main game (5-7 hours), but I want to know if I and my friends are just crazy. I've played Operation Raccoon City all the way through twice now (and played it three times, first time quit after Nemesis and then months later started from the top for recording). But while the main game really isn't anything special, there's a few kind of okay moments, but most of it is just ehhh, there's actually moments in the DLC I like a lot.
In the DLC I actually liked the sudden appearances of Nemesis in the first chapter, and the few chapters later boss fight with him in the factory was actually pretty good in my opinion. I really liked the sewer level where you run into Claire and William Birkin, and the new mechanic with darkness and flares and the infected zombies down there (I even like the part where you have to protect Sherry of all things). I actually liked the final chapter and final boss fight in the Spec-Ops campaign... I don't know, I haven't ever talked to anyone who's actually played Operation Raccoon City's DLC campaign outside of the people I played with, I'm just morbidly curious if I'm crazy for my opinion on this since I initially hated ORC, or if the DLC campaign is actually just legitimately leagues better than the main game.
The DLC is way better than the base game, you're not crazy. It's still super janky, but yeah.
Jawmuncher
Member
The Spec Ops campaign really should have been part of the main game. Still to this day though I say the game had a bigger problem with bullet sponge enemies and other odd decision's over it's campaign mission structure.
Jawmuncher
Member
Doesn't help that as far as I know the DLC never went on sale on consoles ( I got it through the complete PC version on sale).
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Yai, good to have some confirmation. I can only judge from what I played and friend's opinion who played with me since I haven't really met anyone before who had actually taken the time to play ORC's DLC campaign (and that's understandable), but having played through it twice now it's kind of weird going from the main game to the DLC since you kind of go through a ho-hum mediocre shooter, to something that feels like it actually has some good design and moments, and much more consistant. It still has ORC's flaws in it, it's not like the mechanics have changed (even if they do add in a few new gameplay mechanics and weapons and enemies and level mechanics and such), and it's not close to the best RE experience you'll have, but I strangely liked its DLC campaign. It does have jankiness certainly and some of ORC's flaws peek through into the DLC campaign obviously (and the first chapter is the chapter that feels like only a slight improvement over ORC and more the same before kind of differentiating itself), but good to hear it's not just me and my friends at the very least. Like if we had just some very fortunate good couple of times playing it that made us think it was better than it was or something.
It should have been certainly, and I do know what you mean somewhat by bullet sponge enemies (Lickers were the worst with this in that regard for me, those infected parasite zombies a close second), there are definitely some flaws the game has due to factors like this.
Jawmuncher
Member
I think just a few things could have helped out ORC.
1. Spec Ops and USS campaigns on one disc.
2. Enemy and Player health scaled (Should have basically been Socom Resident Evil)
3. Better focus on the game being a "What-If" title. Rather than last minute kill or don't kill said hero.
4. More reliance on seeing RE2&3 moments from a different angle or better interaction with said character's from those games.
5. Redo the melee, it was pretty bad (Could probably be combined with #2)
This is coming from someone owning 3 copies of the game and beating it twice on each platform.
1. Spec Ops and USS campaigns on one disc.
2. Enemy and Player health scaled (Should have basically been Socom Resident Evil)
3. Better focus on the game being a "What-If" title. Rather than last minute kill or don't kill said hero.
4. More reliance on seeing RE2&3 moments from a different angle or better interaction with said character's from those games.
5. Redo the melee, it was pretty bad (Could probably be combined with #2)
This is coming from someone owning 3 copies of the game and beating it twice on each platform.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I will say something about point 3, that did create a great set-up in playing co-op with my friends where we all decided just to make a choice, they all sided with Leon and I sided to try and kill him, making it the three of them and Leon against me.
I was a terrible final boss.
I agree with pretty much everything, however.
Is the game canon? If it is that might give me enough energy to get through it.
Not one tiny bit. It's glorified fan-fiction.
It is not.
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It's official fan-fiction, tho! Like to the liberty and Rose Blank.
Jawmuncher
Member
Yeah the idea toward the ending was cool, but could have been handled better. Once again bullet sponge was an issue with the game on a SP playthrough. I remember all times having to chip away at until he died. Was pretty lame. It's a problem when you have to rely on Vector's invisibility or Lupo's Invincibility to do things quickly. Aside from that the endings are so abrupt and relying on a sequel happening. I wonder if they would ever consider it. They sold well even with the reviews. Dunno what third party could handle it well, maybe Yager?
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
The official answer is parts of it are, parts of it aren't. (But it isn't)
However, there are a lot of fan-servicey moments through the game and its DLC. Without saying too much, between both the main campaign and the DLC campaign, you'll run into Leon, Claire, Sherry, William Birkin, Nemesis, Jill, Carlos, Nikolai, and so on, and you go to a few familiar recreations of Resident Evil locations and see a few events from RE2/RE3 from a different perspective.
How 'canon' 'parts of it' are as it all happens to be... Questionable, at best. There's some parts that aren't obviously (unless Leon after crashing a police car and separating from Claire was hunted down by a team of Umbrella mercenaries as a random example), but other moments are a bit more believable, but those are the parts that don't mean anything to anybody unfortunately. But there's fun references throughout... Like the only boss battle I like in the main game (not the DLC, which had much better boss battles) involves the Dead Factory and that one laser thing Jill uses to defeat Nemesis in RE3.
I do agree it might have been better if they went all-out and made it just a big hypothetical what-if scenario.
That's true.
I still can't quite get over how Mike Jones and Adam Boyd were flat-out liars in promoting the game. Kawata used the same descriptions that apply to Gaiden, the drama albums and the cell phone games. Those two outright said "it doesn't contradict." All it fucking does is contradict.
None of it is canon. At all. Under any circumstances.
Jawmuncher
Member
Come on guys, Leon had time during RE2 to be hunted by USS, brush it off and continue his journey out of the city.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I know, I've played the game twice, but my response was to sort of toy with the suggestion that it might be canon like they tried suggesting. But I think parts of it they tried to design it to be hypothetically possible, but completely drop it in other parts, and I think they should of just dropped all pretext of it being canon in any way. They have sort of far-fetched suggestions on why certain scenarios might happen (IE, why in the blue hell Nemesis might attack USS). It's obviously a load of crock, but you can see in parts of them trying to make it possible, even if it fails. Thus, should of been better to go all out and make something completely non-canon without pretext of 'parts' of it trying to be canon (or trying to make any sense, for that matter).
It's best not to toy with the suggestions of liars. Not a single part in the game is even hypothetically possible to be canon.
CAPCOM Japan also approved the Chinese comics where Ada gets tentacle raped and impregnated and Billy becomes a Super Saiyan. Approving the licensing of a product has nothing to do with canon.
Jawmuncher
Member
I still feel the best part of the game was stuff like the Nikloai Boss Battle. A nice extra battle that from my recollection wouldn't affect RE3 canon.
What are the odds we ever see Sheva again?
By and away one of my favorite characters. Sherry also had such a great design.
EDIT:
My brother, same sentiments.
Bisexuality isn't a compromise.
By and away one of my favorite characters. Sherry also had such a great design.
EDIT:
My brother, same sentiments.
Bisexuality isn't a compromise.
but I really want gay chris