BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
What's your point? Lmao
Returnal may be headed to Steam!
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What's your point? Lmao
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
A much more capable gaming machine is more expensive. Shocking!!!
It has be because is more expensive. Even more outside the USA. In my country anything that cost $200 or more have to pay taxes. So if you build or buy a $1000 rig for example the total cost is around 1,300. You have to order everything online from the USA because here any part cost double of what it cost in the USA. I love PC gaming and i wish to build another PC sadly it's cheaper for me to get a console.
Don't why the PC gamers today tend do downplay and talk against console.
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rofif
Banned
Much more capable? It just runs games at higher res or more than 60fps if you spend waaaaay too much.
You know the games are the same without zooming in 400%?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Here we pay taxes over taxes.
Consoles will be always cheaper.
PC players "downplaying" the less capable/more limited machines should not be surprising. They downplay even less capable PCs...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Oh you! It just runs games at higher res or more than 60fps, many more exclusives, much less input lag, much better IQ for every game, much more aspect ratios I want, much better FoV, much better controller as I can choose the best for every game, many more mods, many more emulators, much more free online....
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Dream-Knife
Banned
Nah, I'm good. Happy for those that want it though.
Topher
Identifies as young
It is more than just that though. Consoles are much more rigid as far as accessories are concerned whether we are talking about headsets (not so much on PS5), controllers, hotas, steering wheels, keyboard/mouse options. PC is about as open as it comes. Those are key advantages, imo.
Md Ray
Member
The game absolutely murdered my CPU at that time. i5-3330 couldn't do higher than 45-50fps at console settings paired with GTX 970, inside NPC heavy cities.
roosnam1980
Member
hope it is a good port free of stutter , housemarque have tons of experience on PC.
In December 2013 I've spent 60 percent more vs PS4 to build a GTX 760 PC. Best purchase ever.
It's not about specs alone. My Android phone is a more flexible gaming machine than a ps5. Playstation and Nintendo ecosystems are downright atrocious if you are a hardcore gamer that cares about preservation and BC.
It's not about specs alone. My Android phone is a more flexible gaming machine than a ps5. Playstation and Nintendo ecosystems are downright atrocious if you are a hardcore gamer that cares about preservation and BC.
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rofif
Banned
"much less input lag," - lol what
"much better IQ for every game" - maybe if you squint and game supports dlss
"much more aspect ratios" - 16:9 is all I care
"much better FoV" - oh whatever. FOV psychos are tiresome and never satisfied
"much better controller" - No. not really
"much more mods" - yeah sure. I dont care about mods though.
"much more emulators" - yes of course. I prefer original hardware but emulators are great
"much more free online" - yes. It's retarded that consoles have paid online. Now, back to Dark Souls on pc... ho wait.
Ok, I am trolling a bit but cmon man. Just get a pc, pay 3k usd and enjoy. Nothing wrong with that.
I personally have never seen a gap in image quality so low between consoles and pc. And many games are 60fps or even more on new consoles too. Input lag is not an issue. Even Elden Ring runs better on ps5 now with vrr finally because no stutters.
I know I am bitter asshole but demonizing consoles an angelizing pc needs to stop. Many people are coming in to PC gaming and they are in honeymoon. I've had my golden years with pc gaming and it got on my nerve.
I still have a gaming pc and I am probably a pc core gamer at heart.... but I objectively have some trouble defending all of it mindlessly. When someone asks me for pc for their kid and we build it and it comes up to 1500-2000 euro..... then I recommend them xbox series S with gamepass.
Really - Spending a lot of money on pc helps to avoid it's pains.
Krappadizzle
Member
So your budget CPU released 5 years before the game you played came out struggled inside NPC heavy cities? Color me shocked!!
rofif
Banned
of course. As long as someone can't stand ps5 controller then they have to go pc.
I personally think all the accessories and stuff is just overthinking it. Pulse 3d and Dualsense works for me. Any other headphone can be connected to controller too.
That's the strength for consoles - I don't have much choice to bother myself with
On pc, for example, I have Razer Viper ultimate mouse but now v2 Pro came out and my dumb ass will buy it because it's nice and new
So yeah - I am using pc accessories market but it's not really improving my gaming experience.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I had no stutters after a while and I can force vsync off because default on is horrible and drops inputs all the time. So console versions = NOPE.
Swift_Star
Banned
Which makes it even more compelling to buy a console if you're using the PC solely for gaming. The only use I'd have for one is exactly that, gaming. It'd be a waste of precious money to me.
rofif
Banned
what?
Stutters occur in every new area/object on pc. And sometimes it never disappears/caches like scenes transition in serpent king fight. I know, I am watching some speedrunners.
Vsync off? What are you doing. You should run vsync forced on globally and 117-118fps global cap in rtss to avoid reaching vsync ceiling with vrr.
With vrr, nvdia's vsync does not act the same but as a tearing removal function (until hitting the ceiling)
In case of Elden Ring, you keep vsync forced on globally (you can disable it in game, no matter) and vrr does the rest.
Don't tell me you don't know that as a pc gamer? Don't tell me you do not utilize vrr as a pc gamer? don't tell me you utilize vrr improperly as a pc gamer?
Ok, ok... having some fun with you here but I hope you get my point
Oh... and btw - none of this is a problem on ps5 even before vrr update came out. Consoles vsync is not this laggy double buffer method
Swift_Star
Banned
You have to understand that lots of people don't care about any of that.
I don't.
PS3/X360 gen was almost all PC for me.
Then I bought a PS4 and never looked back.
Much hassle free experience, the console does it all for you, I don't want to deal with PC shenanigans, regardless of how few they are these days. I just don't want to deal with it.
Console is usually: plug on the outlet, tv, follow the instructions on the TV and it setups by itself. Much easier.
rofif
Banned
Yeah... I know. Sorry about that (although it's not my fault
)I just feel attacked when people are saying "finally the game will be playable and not on the useless plastic box"
Md Ray
Member
Considering how crappy 8th gen console CPUs were that even quad-cores from Sandy/Ivy Bridge were twice as fast - yeah, it was surprising to see it perform the same as base consoles at that time.
Okay, now here me out.
Let's all celebrate that more people can enjoy great games- instead of insecure platform warring, yeah?
Let's all celebrate that more people can enjoy great games- instead of insecure platform warring, yeah?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Not in a significant way here after a while, maybe because I am on SSD. I don't use vrr yet. I cap framerate on nvidia panel, not rtss. You can't disable Vsync on Elden Ring as there is no option to turn off in-game.what?
Stutters occur in every new area/object on pc. And sometimes it never disappears/caches like scenes transition in serpent king fight. I know, I am watching some speedrunners.
Vsync off? What are you doing. You should run vsync forced on globally and 117-118fps global cap in rtss to avoid reaching vsync ceiling with vrr.
With vrr, nvdia's vsync does not act the same but as a tearing removal function (until hitting the ceiling)
In case of Elden Ring, you keep vsync forced on globally (you can disable it in game, no matter) and vrr does the rest.
Don't tell me you don't know that as a pc gamer? Don't tell me you do not utilize vrr as a pc gamer? don't tell me you utilize vrr improperly as a pc gamer?
Ok, ok... having some fun with you here but I hope you get my point
Oh... and btw - none of this is a problem on ps5 even before vrr update came out. Consoles vsync is not this laggy double buffer method
And you as a pc gamer as you say should know that the same game on pc can have less than half of the input lag at the same framerate as the console version even with vsync on.
You have to understand that what people don't care doesn't matter not a single bit as the options/improvements are still there to use for those who care. It's their loss if they don't care.
Base consoles hit 45~50fps in cities???
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StreetsofBeige
Member
Yup.
As cheesy as it sounds, there's a game called Mainframe Defenders. Small cheap indie game. Started on PC, then Switch, then recently I think it got to PS and Xbox. Looks like it's on all platforms now. Solid low budget game that can be had for $5 on deal on console. Steam is even cheaper. I got it on deal for like $3.
Midn1ght
Member
rofif
Banned
rodrigolfp
I just don't see how if we compare games at the same framerate or even with vrr. But nevermind.
Let's not discuss that or
Mod of War
will kick us out.Enjoy Returnal guys! It's a very good game. I will be happy to play it at 120fps with mouse and keyboard. it is a very demanding but rewarding game
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Me 2. Almost all the PS3/360 gen was PC for me and i had a somewhat high end PC back then and i had a PS3 too but prefered my PC back then. At that time the USD was cheaper in my country. I mean the currency exchange was better the USD was at least half or almost half vs today. When the PS4 released i got mine and forgot about PC gaming. The only thing i wanted last gen was 60fps and now we have it. I don't need to play the games at 4k 60fps or 120fps or with the most highest setting. I just want to play games and enjoy them.
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Swift_Star
Banned
I don't care, man.
rofif
doesn't care.Console gamers don't care.
This discussion is pointless, move on. You're not convincing anyone.
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JackSparr0w
Banned
I will play it only if I can mod out the fugly main character.
I just don't see how if we compare games at the same framerate or even with vrr. But nevermind.
Let's not discuss that or
Enjoy Returnal guys! It's a very good game. I will be happy to play it at 120fps with mouse and keyboard. it is a very demanding but rewarding game
Sony games are as deep as a puddle so they are yet to enjoy success since PC gamers care mostly about gameplay and deep mechanics.
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Avid Reading Horse
Member
In at $20. This might take a while.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Then don't quote if you don't care. I am not trying to convince anyone, just pointing facts for those saying console experience is almost the same as pc gaming.I don't care, man.
Console gamers don't care.
This discussion is pointless, move on. You're not convincing anyone.
recursive
Member
Should people buy an Xbox? Just play on pc right?
Swift_Star
Banned
StreetsofBeige
Member
If someone is happy gaming on PC, skip Xbox if Series X is that hard to find. Games come out the same day one too.
Why would it be different?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Or refund it if the giant hit boxes and aim assist (bullet magnetism) still be there.
Guilty_AI
Member
I have some doubts. General opinions i read say its a good game (though in the wait-for-discount good category), but most seem to agree this is not a good roguelike and shouldn't have been one.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Returnal is an awesome game. My 2021 GOTY.
Md Ray
Member
They are close to 30 fps with few drops. I saw the same 35-30fps worst case scenario on my PC. Console fps is capped of course. Anyway let's avoid going off-topic any further.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol agreed. Mostly.
I think the best thing about PC gaming right now is that it is THE best platform to play thanks to it getting games from all platforms save for Nintendo. You could invest a $1,000 on a console or a $2,000 on a PC. (PC prices are finally back down to normal, picked up a 3080 for $800 last month) Good thing is that you are almost guaranteed to get 60 fps thanks to the more powerful GPU and CPU. I hated having to settle for 30 fps in Horizon because GG wouldnt offer a decent 1440p 60 fps mode. I would never have to do that on PC where I can adjust my own settings.
But yes, PC gaming is brutal. It's got way too many kinks and issues that creep up all the time. It can become very costly very quickly if you want to upgrade too. So it's not all roses. But i still think that if you are a hardcore gamer in 2022, you should invest in a PC instead of consoles. It might be more costly up front but you will make that money back by not having to pay for PS+ and Xbox Gold for 7 years. And lets face it, we all are going to go out and buy a PS5 Pro on day one next year anyway so why not just invest in a PC today.
Going back on topic, I dont see how Returnal benefits from being ported aside from maybe a 120 fps mode. The FOV is still fairly decent. IQ is fine. Controller is perfect. Not a game Id mod. The game is very responsive already on PS5. It makes Uncharted 4 at 120 fps feel like KZ2. 120 fps should make this game feel better but its not a game lacking in anyway like Horizon FW.
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recursive
Member
I am glad you think that way.
Md Ray
Member
Really curious to see what resolution is required to hit 60fps at PS5 settings on 3060/6600 XT class GPUs, and what the CPU utilisation is like... Apparently the particle systems are quite CPU-intensive in Returnal. Also, hoping to see DLSS and/or FSR 2.0 in there or at the very least the same checkerboard implementation found on PS5. If not, then it'd be a huge bummer.
I just don't see how if we compare games at the same framerate or even with vrr. But nevermind.
Let's not discuss that or
Enjoy Returnal guys! It's a very good game. I will be happy to play it at 120fps with mouse and keyboard. it is a very demanding but rewarding game
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01011001
Banned
not necessarily true, an RTX3060ti (more powerful in many ways than the consoles) is 400€ msrp.
the RTX3060 (basically on par or trading blows with the consoles) is 330€
and we are thankful approaching MSRP again now that crypto currencies are crashing, NFTs are crashing and the newer cards are on the horizon making the more hardcore people wait
if you have old parts you can reuse the upgrade is not a substantial price. so if you are upgrading it can be even less expensive
if you can get a used Intel 8700 for example you'll be good on the CPU front, those go for 200 used I think, I bet you can find a deal for one. a good and low end motherboard with the right socket should he also cheap to get
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sony studios need to get on FSR2.0 asap. Especially GG with Horizon. It cant be any worse than HFW's checkerboard implementation. Even FSR Quality offers a big 30% improvement. So if they were struggling to hit 60 fps at 1440p and hovering around 40-45 fps despite the resolution downgrade from native 4k to 1440p then maybe FSR 2.0 at quality could help them hit 60 fps at 1440p.
Even if its not locked, adding VRR support should iron out any small drops below 60. Sure the engineers over at GG are looking into this.
