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[Zacfoldor]

I told yall why people are mad and on here wishing for it to fail and trying to shit on sales before it even launched. It's a simple reason.

EVERYBODY, and I mean EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD who owns a PS5 would LOVE love love love love to upgrade the GPU in their PS5 at little or no cost.

There is no person out there who is like "I don't want to upgrade my PS5, it's fine like it is" that is just silly. In a world where money didn't exist, the PS5 Pro is by far the biggest prize in console gaming and has the highest demand if price didn't exist. The price is what is getting in the way of everyone in the gaming world upgrading to PS5 Pro day 1.

With me so far?

We know only about 15% or 20% max of PS4/5 owners will be able to afford to upgrade.

Let's say for PS5 Pro at launch that number is more like 8% just for arguments sake(it could be way lower, this is not at all the point, we just need a number to play around with).

So that means 92% of people who own PS5 very much WISH they had a PS5 Pro for free but since it isn't free and indeed costs "a lot," they can't afford it.

So they are disappointed.

When 92% of the PS5 fanbase is disappointed by even something small, there is a huge, huge backlash online. The PS5 and gaming, however, are the things they care about the most in the entertainment world. They all want a PS5 pro they just cannot afford it. This is disappointing and frustrating to a group of individual who do not do well being disappointed.

So what do we do when we are disappointed by a product or company, because we were excluded? We lash out. We attack. We get angry. We want to ruin the fun of others. It's simple psychology. Only because we are lucky enough to be able to afford it are we not right there with them. If this had costed 7000 dollars instead of 700, we would be right there with them. To them, 700 dollars might as well be 7000 dollars so we can see how pricing affects the consumer behavior clearly here.

 

[mckmas8808]

If you think Sony would be happy with the PS5 Pro selling 6 million units lifetime... I believe you'd be mistaken, but I pointed that out with the idea that they would drop the base PS5 price but not the Pro. They'll be priced in tandem. I'd bet any amount of money on that.

6 million is waaaay too low. But 10 million out of 120 million seems more likely. But if you're right and they lower the price of the Pro and PS5 at the same time, then that would be a different picture. 12 million is possible. The PS4 Pro did about 15 million lifetime btw.

 

[diffusionx]

At this point you're just throwing words around haphazardly and being even more silly with your word usage. "Trtying to gotcha me?" Like, huh? That just shows you don't know how to make a point clearly. I can see you're getting more frustrated so you're just winging it with your words bc you cannot properly make a coherent point. You said in the beginning, "the fact that you couldn't find a PS5 on the shelf is a monumental failure," which is clearly nonsense bc you would have to apply the same argument to Nintendo. And no, you cannot ignore history.

this isn't a thread about Nintendo, bro.

 

[chokotoureiki]

this isn't a thread about Nintendo, bro.

I only brought them up to illustrate how nonsensical your post was. Would you rather Sony should've sold incomplete PS5s with missing parts, not taking into account that there was a global chip supply shortage 4 years ago that affected several companies when it initially launched during COVID? Calling it a monumental failure is just monumentally asinine.

 

[diffusionx]

I only brought them up to illustrate how nonsensical your post was. Would you rather Sony should've sold incomplete PS5s with missing parts, not taking into account that there was a global chip supply shortage 4 years ago that affected several companies when it initially launched during COVID? Calling it a monumental failure is just monumentally asinine.

I bought a brand new iPhone a few weeks before PS5 came out and they sold like 50 million of those things in 3 months.

Yes it was a total failure, and the fact that they didn’t get it straightened out for 2 years is insane. They probably could have sold 10 or 15 million more had they figured it out. It’s just totally inexcusable.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I doubt either gets a price drop in 2025 and I guarantee you their prices will change in tandem.

At 10% of lifetime sales, if the PS5 sells 120 million units, that would mean the PS5 Pro sold 12 million units. 12 million units over 4-5 years is 2.4 to 3 million units per year. Presumably the most units would happen in its launch year as numbers tapper off.

That would mean by 2-2.5 years it should have peaked. So you're looking at probably 7-8 million units by then.

That's 3.5 to 4 million units per year for each of the first two years. The most of that happening in its first two holiday seasons.

In order to achieve that Sony absolutely has to hit like 2 million minimum this holiday season.

Yeeesh, yeah, that might be a bit tough. 1.2-1.5m is a better bet, particularly if they can hit 4-500K for the launch.

 

[chokotoureiki]

I bought a brand new iPhone a few weeks before PS5 came out and they sold like 50 million of those things in 3 months.

Yes it was a total failure, and the fact that they didn’t get it straightened out for 2 years is insane. They probably could have sold 10 or 15 million more had they figured it out. It’s just totally inexcusable.

So by your logic, the Wii shortage was a failure, the DS shortage was also a failure, the Xbox series shortage was a failure., etc. Okay, so we've established that a shortage made by ANY company is a failure.

 

[diffusionx]

So by your logic, the Wii shortage was a failure, the DS shortage was also a failure, the Xbox series shortage was a failure., etc. Okay, so we've established that a shortage made by ANY company is a failure.

I dont see how the Wii is relevant at all, we are talking about PS5 and now Pro. There shouldn’t be any Pro shortages.

 

[chokotoureiki]

I dont see how the Wii is relevant at all, we are talking about PS5 and now Pro. There shouldn’t be any Pro shortages.

It is totally relevant, bc you would have to apply your nonsensical argument to other incidents that have occurred historically.

So if the Switch 2 were to come out and it sells out and Nintendo couldn't meet up with demand, then it would be perfectly fair to also call it a monumental failure.

 

[diffusionx]

It is totally relevant, bc you would have to apply your nonsensical argument to other incidents that have occurred historically.

So if the Switch 2 were to come out and it sells out and Nintendo couldn't meet up with demand, then it would be perfectly fair to also call it a monumental failure.

Probably, yes, there shouldn’t be any shortages. You are unhinged.

 

[chokotoureiki]

Probably, yes, there shouldn’t be any shortages. You are unhinged.

 

[TheGodfather07]

There's a decent market for it. There's millions of hardcore gamers out there who want the best possible console experience. Price doesn't really stop that crowd.

 

[SportsFan581]

Probably, yes, there shouldn’t be any shortages. You are unhinged.

That's not realistic for new technology devices. The companies making the consoles have limited access to silicon (Apple pays a major premium to take the lion's share of the latest and greatest process nodes, when most of the processors are going in $1k+ devices you can afford that) and a huge base of players looking to upgrade immediately. In most cases it simply isn't possible to produce enough units to match early demand. The PS4 Pro and the X1X weren't nearly as hard to get a hold of, so far it has been easier for them to get the units out that they need on these mid-gen systems, but saying that about a Switch 2 or a PS6, etc. is honestly ridiculous.

 

[Gambit2483]

I told yall why people are mad and on here wishing for it to fail and trying to shit on sales before it even launched. It's a simple reason.

EVERYBODY, and I mean EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD who owns a PS5 would LOVE love love love love to upgrade the GPU in their PS5 at little or no cost.

There is no person out there who is like "I don't want to upgrade my PS5, it's fine like it is" that is just silly. In a world where money didn't exist, the PS5 Pro is by far the biggest prize in console gaming and has the highest demand if price didn't exist. The price is what is getting in the way of everyone in the gaming world upgrading to PS5 Pro day 1.

With me so far?

We know only about 15% or 20% max of PS4/5 owners will be able to afford to upgrade.

Let's say for PS5 Pro at launch that number is more like 8% just for arguments sake(it could be way lower, this is not at all the point, we just need a number to play around with).

So that means 92% of people who own PS5 very much WISH they had a PS5 Pro for free but since it isn't free and indeed costs "a lot," they can't afford it.

So they are disappointed.

When 92% of the PS5 fanbase is disappointed by even something small, there is a huge, huge backlash online. The PS5 and gaming, however, are the things they care about the most in the entertainment world. They all want a PS5 pro they just cannot afford it. This is disappointing and frustrating to a group of individual who do not do well being disappointed.

So what do we do when we are disappointed by a product or company, because we were excluded? We lash out. We attack. We get angry. We want to ruin the fun of others. It's simple psychology. Only because we are lucky enough to be able to afford it are we not right there with them. If this had costed 7000 dollars instead of 700, we would be right there with them. To them, 700 dollars might as well be 7000 dollars so we can see how pricing affects the consumer behavior clearly here.

There are people who can afford it yet are still disappointed. Its a disappointing upgrade for what they are charging. At least the upgrades they've shown so far are fairly disappointing. No one cares about tree leaves in the wayyyy background being slightly sharper. Or old ass PS4 games looking and running slightly better. Thats not very impressive no matter how much they were charging.

They need to show newer games that are doing things to significantly improve the game. If you're going to charge $700 then people expect to see something that shows exactly why that price is worth it...regardless of whether or not you can afford it.

 

[XXL]

There are people who can afford it yet are still disappointed. Its a disappointing upgrade for what they are charging. At least the upgrades they've shown so far are fairly disappointing. No one cares about tree leaves in the wayyyy background being slightly sharper. Or old ass PS4 games looking and running slightly better. Thats not very impressive no matter how much they were charging.

They need to show newer games that are doing things to significantly improve the game. If you're going to charge $700 then people expect to see something that shows exactly why that price is worth it...regardless of whether or not you can afford it.

The PS5 Pro is basically running base PS5 fidelity mode with a 100% increase in frame rate....it's not just about increasing the details of fucking leaves. Lol.

 

[diffusionx]

That's not realistic for new technology devices. The companies making the consoles have limited access to silicon (Apple pays a major premium to take the lion's share of the latest and greatest process nodes, when most of the processors are going in $1k+ devices you can afford that) and a huge base of players looking to upgrade immediately. In most cases it simply isn't possible to produce enough units to match early demand. The PS4 Pro and the X1X weren't nearly as hard to get a hold of, so far it has been easier for them to get the units out that they need on these mid-gen systems, but saying that about a Switch 2 or a PS6, etc. is honestly ridiculous.

Of course it's realistic. It's not like these PS systems are using the most high tech manufacturing. They might not be able to afford what Apple can but they're also not selling 250 million units a year. They're operating at a lower scale. And like, it's their fucking job. It's why they exist. Hardware companies should be able to make and sell hardware. Sony's been selling hardware for decades.

 

[onQ123]

Where's the new form factor and all that? They seem to compare much more to the first 6nm PS5 but with a storage upgrade.

Disc drive was removed, the vapor chamber was removed , die shrink & storage upgrade. Just as many changes as what the slim PS5 got .

 

[SportsFan581]

Disc drive was removed, the vapor chamber was removed , die shrink & storage upgrade. Just as many changes as what the slim PS5 got .

The cooler changed in that OG 6nm PS5 also, the slim models are all about the size reduction. Without that, these cost reduction revisions are not exactly news worthy.

 

[onQ123]

The cooler changed in that OG 6nm PS5 also, the slim models are all about the size reduction. Without that, these cost reduction revisions are not exactly news worthy.

Strange I remember when adding storage & changing the color of a console was Elite

 

[Gambit2483]

The PS5 Pro is basically running base PS5 fidelity mode with a 100% increase in frame rate....it's not just about increasing the details of fucking leaves. Lol.

I was exaggerating to prove a point of how miniscule the upgrades they gave examples of appeared to be...and yea increased framerates are nice but that's not exactly a $700 selling point, especially when the consumer was already promised increased framerates with the base model.

 

[chokotoureiki]

Of course it's realistic. It's not like these PS systems are using the most high tech manufacturing. They might not be able to afford what Apple can but they're also not selling 250 million units a year. They're operating at a lower scale. And like, it's their fucking job. It's why they exist. Hardware companies should be able to make and sell hardware. Sony's been selling hardware for decades.

I hope you'll be as hard on Nintendo or MS as you are with Sony whenever they get shortages.

Bottom line....shortages happen with EVERY company. Not just Sony.

 

[diffusionx]

I hope you'll be as hard on Nintendo or MS as you are with Sony whenever they get shortages.

Bottom line....shortages happen with EVERY company. Not just Sony.

why are you so obsessed with Nintendo?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I was exaggerating to prove a point of how miniscule the upgrades they gave examples of appeared to be...and yea increased framerates are nice but that's not exactly a $700 selling point, especially when the consumer was already promised increased framerates with the base model.

Which is why that consumer isn't be charged $700. It's a $250 upgrade. Someone who never bought a PS5 hasn't invested in anything yet.

And yes, increased framerates were promised from last gen and many games this gen have 60fps modes and/or variable framerates that run above 30. And you will always find someone disappointed about something (it's happened with every console launch, for example, especially any recent ones). The Pro isn't out yet, so we can revisit how widespread those feelings truly are once that's happened.

 

[SonGoku]

Sorry my man, but there were a few folks calling this thing DOA in the price reveal thread. This ain't all of them either....

I still think/hope it will be DOA considering its very poor value, the specs bump relative to the price increase.
PS4 Pro and One X were much better value at the time of release so i will be surprised if the PS5 Pro gets anywhere close to PS4 Pro sales performance

It's disgusting that Sony releases a console for $700 but surely Microsoft's $1000 console will be received favorably

Value is a more accurate metric than price tag alone
I dont think anyone here would complain about a $1000 PS5 Pro if it had a RTX 4080 tier GPU and Zen 4 CPU

Now if MS released a Zen 2/RTX 4070 with 16GB ram for $1000 then they would rightfully be flamed

 

[Topher]

I still think/hope it will be DOA considering its very poor value, the specs bump relative to the price increase.
PS4 Pro and One X were much better value at the time of release so i will be surprised if the PS5 Pro gets anywhere close to PS4 Pro sales performance

Well....if it ain't for you then it ain't for you

 

[SonGoku]

Well....if it ain't for you then it ain't for you

The console is fine, i just dont think the value proposition is there and I hope it does poorly and/or Sony is force to drop the price otherwise it would set a bad precedent for the PS6

 

[Topher]

The console is fine, i just dont think the value proposition is there and I hope it does poorly and/or Sony is force to drop the price otherwise it would set a bad precedent for the PS6

It isn't going to make any difference. This is being sold to enthusiasts. Different pricing for a different segment of the console market. PS6 will be priced with the majority of consumers in mind.

 

[poppabk]

Bad news - the PS5 and PS5pro are getting handily beat by the Quest 3 and 3s which I have been assured by many neogaf experts are part of a tiny niche that is also falling into obscurity.
Sad times for the Playstation brand.
/s just in case

 

[Kotaro]

this thing looks like a flop, it still hasn't sold out yet

no one asked for this

 

[clarky]

this thing looks like a flop, it still hasn't sold out yet

no one asked for this

Good effort.

 

[Cakeboxer]

The console is fine, i just dont think the value proposition is there

If you want the best bang for your buck PS5 Pro or a 4090 are not what you buy. Those are for enthusiasts. Best bang for your buck would be a used 120 Euro Series S followed by a used 350 Euro PS5 digital.

 

[clarky]

If you want the best bang for your buck PS5 Pro or a 4090 are not what you buy. Those are for enthusiasts. Best bang for your buck would be a used 120 Euro Series S followed by a used 350 Euro PS5 digital.

You have to draw the line somewhere and mines before the Series S. That fucker is struggling now, in a couple of years itll be discontinued. At least the PS5 will last a good few years.

Id say the £330 new PS5 DE is about the best bang for buck right now.

 

[Cakeboxer]

You have to draw the line somewhere and mines before the Series S. that fucker is struggling now, in a couple of years itll be discontinued. At least the PS5 will last a good few years.

Id say the £330 new PS5 DE is about the best bang for buck right now.

I've seen Halo, FH5 and Grounded on a S and was actually surprised by the looks. You barely get a comparable graphics card for that money. For people with low budget not the worst choice, no matter how much people hate it here. No idea how super demanding new games run on it though.

 

[clarky]

I've seen Halo, FH5 and Grounded on a S and was actually surprised by the looks. You barely get a comparable graphics card for that money. For people with low budget not the worst choice, no matter how much people hate it here. No idea how super demanding new games run on it though.

Yeah its alright I have one. As a main gaming device though? Im not so sure.

The way MS flip flop with strategy though i can see it being dropped sooner rather than later if the rumours of them cutting the generation short are true.

I shudder to think how WuKong runs on it, if at all.

 

[Topher]

this thing looks like a flop, it still hasn't sold out yet

no one asked for this

 

[Sw0pDiller]

Tyresome…

 

[TheTony316]

The console is fine, i just dont think the value proposition is there and I hope it does poorly and/or Sony is force to drop the price otherwise it would set a bad precedent for the PS6

The PS5 Pro is aimed at enthusiast console players. It's the console equivalent of a 4080/4090 and Sony knows it. The PS6 will be priced differently.

 

[Topher]

Tyresome…

I really don't get it, but maybe guys like Kotaro can explain how it can be a flop when the Pro is still in the top 10 on Amazon's best sellers list? Clearly it is selling.

 

[Radical_3d]

I really don't get it, but maybe guys like Kotaro can explain how it can be a flop when the Pro is still in the top 10 on Amazon's best sellers list? Clearly it is selling.

It’s selling that much despite not making better the titles everybody demand to do better (except for FFVIIR). So it’s a feat. Imagine when new games stars to release with build in Pro mode.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

this thing looks like a flop, it still hasn't sold out yet

no one asked for this

Nahh I warned people early on this thing wasn't going to sell out because they had the stock ready

And a lot of people asked for this and wanted this and still selling well at places like Amazon

Stock is likely why they held off selling this machine at an earlier date as it was ready to go awhile back

I have hinted several times over a year ago I was able to tour Sony's packaging facility in Terre Haute Indiana and was never able to actually come out and say this until the NDA expired but saw prototype packaging for the Pro last year around this time

 

[Sw0pDiller]

Still, i would like to see these ps5 pro boxes stacked up in a warehouse. I loved these leaks in the past. Also, cant wait for the teardown.

 

[poppabk]

I really don't get it, but maybe guys like Kotaro can explain how it can be a flop when the Pro is still in the top 10 on Amazon's best sellers list? Clearly it is selling.

It's selling worse than the BoboVR Quest3 battery strap - a niche add-on for a niche product. Which makes the Pro a micro niche.

 

[pasterpl]

I really don't get it, but maybe guys like Kotaro can explain how it can be a flop when the Pro is still in the top 10 on Amazon's best sellers list? Clearly it is selling.

In the UK it is 97 out of 100, it is being outsold by PS5 Slim, PS5 Digital, Xbox Series X, Xbox series S (which is at 60 and it is the lowest position out of non-pro consoles).

Amazon.co.uk Best Sellers: The most popular items in PC & Video Games

 

[Topher]

In the UK it is 97 out of 100, it is being outsold by PS5 Slim, PS5 Digital, Xbox Series X, Xbox series S (which is at 60 and it is the lowest position out of non-pro consoles).

Amazon.co.uk Best Sellers: The most popular items in PC & Video Games

Stock could be lower in UK right now. Who knows? Selling well in the US. Certainly cannot be called a flop at this point

 

[pasterpl]

Stock could be lower in UK right now. Who knows? Selling well in the US. Certainly cannot be called a flop at this point

It is not stock levels, I can order one if I would want now https://www.amazon.co.uk/PlayStatio...ideogames_d_sccl_97/261-0252653-0319761?psc=1

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I can order one if I would want now

 

[Topher]

It is not stock levels, I can order one if I would want now https://www.amazon.co.uk/PlayStatio...ideogames_d_sccl_97/261-0252653-0319761?psc=1

Ok. So demand in UK isn't as high as demand in the US. Point still stands

 

[DenchDeckard]

In the UK it is 97 out of 100, it is being outsold by PS5 Slim, PS5 Digital, Xbox Series X, Xbox series S (which is at 60 and it is the lowest position out of non-pro consoles).

Amazon.co.uk Best Sellers: The most popular items in PC & Video Games

It's now turned into a sponsored product at amazon as well so sony are at least trying to get behind it to put it in front of people's eyes.

If you search playstation 5 it should come up first as a sponsored listing.

But, the numbers seem to be low on actual pre orders. How low ...I'm sure we will find out in January how it has performed.

There is a chance that they've created a product for only the most ardent fans.

 

[Topher]

It's now turned into a sponsored product at amazon as well so sony are at least trying to get behind it to put it in front of people's eyes.

If you search playstation 5 it should come up first as a sponsored listing.

But, the numbers seem to be low on actual pre orders. How low ...I'm sure we will find out in January how it has performed.

There is a chance that they've created a product for only the most ardent fans.

We don't have numbers at all

 

[lh032]

i like some people here fake concern on ps5 pro sales because there is no pro version available for their own platform...or they cant afford it lolz