HeWhoWalks
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Right now, the PS5 Pro is the best selling console on Amazon
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It’s been stuck at 10K + units sold for the past two weeks. Dropping steadily on the Amazon bestsellers list.
There might be a lot of stock, but demand is certainly not red hot.
I really don't get it, but maybe guys like @Kotaro can explain how it can be a flop when the Pro is still in the top 10 on Amazon's best sellers list? Clearly it is selling.
Looks like you filtered on the PlayStation bestsellers list.
Because it’s No 42 on the Amazon videogames bestsellers list.
pasterpl
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Not sure where from did you get you screenshot but when I look Amazon US Video Games category top sellers PS5 Pro is 42nd
Amazon Best Sellers: Best Video Games
View the best video games in Amazon Best Sellers. Browse the 100 top video games to identify the most popular games. Get useful information on what other people are buying.
www.amazon.com
Have you applied any filters?
It is also not sold out and available on product page https://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-...ideogames_d_sccl_42/140-8242187-2714857?psc=1
FrankWza
Gold Member
A console manufacturer that will hit 100 million sales again are definitely not pitiful. Never reaching that milestone is.
Topher
Identifies as young
Ah...yeah, you are right.
Minsc
Gold Member
I am speaking strictly on the qty required to beat the other sales at this exact moment - because that's how these rankings are, they update hourly I think o daily for sure. So it's possible if hourly maybe only 100 sales of PS5 Pro was needed to grab #1 for the hour.
Which is still great and all, but to me there's a reason why they give rankings and not quantities. And without actual numbers to ground it, the news is quite different if it's 5 sales or 5 million sales I'd say.
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DenchDeckard
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I'm only talking about the UK. If you look at amazon it's at 900 plus sold in a month.
Very and other retailers show like 45 sold in the last 48 hours.
Times that be 15 to give a rough guesstimate for the month and it's a few hundred sales per retailer. Obviously amazon is the biggest.
HeWhoWalks
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King Dazzar
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When I looked at Very it shows as "In demand, last ordered 6 minutes ago" and "In demand 100+ added to basket in last 48hrs".
James Sawyer Ford
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What are they trying to prove exactly? Why are they expecting a higher priced premium
product to break sales records?
It wasn't available for a month on Amazon or any other retailer. It went to retailers only later (10th of October).
AW_CL
Banned
Oh, damn the Xbox X/S isn't even in the top 100! Honestly, they’d have better luck relaunching a Dreamcast. It feels like the console surrendered before the rankings race even began.
Crispy Gamer
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The concern from some is palpable 
while I'm just hyped to hook this puppy up to my 77" oled. I think once the masses get one into their homes and give positive feedback it'll sell extremely well. Instead of moving on I'm surprised people are still extremely negative it's starting to get weird.
while I'm just hyped to hook this puppy up to my 77" oled. I think once the masses get one into their homes and give positive feedback it'll sell extremely well. Instead of moving on I'm surprised people are still extremely negative it's starting to get weird.The concern from some is palpable
In a discussion forum, people aren’t allowed to speculate on sales performance of this relatively pricey console without being heckled?
Some of the commentary around the speculation is quite weird. We had similar threads discussing the price impact on PSVR2 sales and I don’t recall people getting this defensive.
James Sawyer Ford
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There's nothing to really speculate about. It's expected to sell maybe 15% of the base platform. It's no different from the PS4 Pro.
It's just weird having some people come in this thread and randomly speculate that it's a "flop" simply because it's not selling out, despite the fact that if supply is adequate it was never intended to sell out
It IS different from the PS4 Pro. That launched at $399
This is $699. More, if you factor in a disc drive.
That’s the whole entire point. The price makes this one to watch.
It is way too early to call it a flop. But it does seem clear that demand seems to be tailing off. Of course it’ll spike back up when there are reviews and the product actually launches…
James Sawyer Ford
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The PS4 Pro launched @ $531 USD in today's dollars when accounting for inflation.
Back in 2017, you could get a PS4 for $199 during certain deals (nominal was $299). PS5 is still $499 today. So the gap in price between the Pro and the Base version isn't all that dissimilar.
We should probably expect it to sell less (along with base PS5 as well) than the prior generation due to the lack of ability to cost-cut the hardware. But probably not as much as many think, since Sony is in a stronger position relative to the competition who are not launching a Pro console to compete with sales.
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Mobilemofo
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So demand is not "red hot" but merely "hot(ISH)"?
Crispy Gamer
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Calling it a flop already and hoping it fails isn't speculation if people are that angry about a product just move on there's absolutely nothing wrong with speculation and analysis I've even said the price is quite high around the world while reasonable in the US.
Topher
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Exactly. The current rankings are what they are, but the conclusions that it is a flop is unwarranted. Perfectly valid to point that out.
MarkMe2525
Banned
I just can't fathom why this matters to anyone. Sony mandates that it is supported, so regardless of it sells 100,000 or 10,000,000, it will get support from the devs. Marketshare of this product is not going to effect the people who has one or is planning on getting one.
James Sawyer Ford
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Exactly. And they probably make $100+ margin on this, so they aren't losing money.
Even if they only end up selling 10M when all is said and done, that's $1B in profit they wouldn't have received otherwise PLUS the benefit of improving the library going forward for PS6 via BC, and improving the amount of time they can research how these new technologies like PSSR play out in real time so they can make further improvements.
MarkMe2525
Banned
I don't see why anyone cares if their making money off of it either. As a consumer, it's irrelevant.
James Sawyer Ford
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It's relevant to warrant the cost of developing and releasing the PS5 Pro, is all I was saying.
Sony makes a lot of products for consumers, like Portal, that generate healthy ROI even though they aren't expected to be enormous volume sellers. Like, there's ZERO risk of them suddenly abandoning PS5 Pro if it "flops"
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Why would demand be red hot for an enthusiast only device? The fake concern in this thread is laughable.
The Pro isn't for the masses like the PS5. Lifetime it will sell roughly 10-15% of the total PS5 install base. It's not a mass market item and studying the charts and trying to come up with funny ways to tell us that it's not a "red hot" item is silly at best. Duh...it's not a red hot item, it's an enthusiast console for the most hardcore PS fans. It's selling but it's not going to break any records or do anywhere close to the regular PS5 numbers.
The Pro isn't for the masses like the PS5. Lifetime it will sell roughly 10-15% of the total PS5 install base. It's not a mass market item and studying the charts and trying to come up with funny ways to tell us that it's not a "red hot" item is silly at best. Duh...it's not a red hot item, it's an enthusiast console for the most hardcore PS fans. It's selling but it's not going to break any records or do anywhere close to the regular PS5 numbers.
pasterpl
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Duh.., haven’t you notice that this whole tread was started on basis that apparently it is red hot as it is nr one on the top seller lists in couple of online stores, without any figures? This mean that anyone can interpret it as they wish, now couple weeks in after preorders opened it is massively down in the same charts so that’s why we have this discussion here (all without actual numbers).
BTW. Completely agree with your estimates for the lifetime sales of PS5Pro, I think it might be a bit less if rumours will come true that the next Xbox gen releases in 2026.
"Massively down" = still selling better than most consoles out there for an enthusiast device. Only the PS5 regular is selling more than it on Amazon.com.
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SenkiDala
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It's the topic of the thread "PS5 Pro is the best selling console" and when it finally seems that it's not selling that well "huh ! it's just a Pro version huh, so that's normal"... OK then
James Sawyer Ford
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I would expect for a brief period at launch it is the best selling console
pasterpl
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But Portal was not released to generate profit, so make guess they are selling it at cost, with some small bump on top of it to allow discounts.
You know from 1st in the UK to 92nd out of 100 - I call that massive. On Amazon.com it is 42nd while Portal is 38th and we know that Portal sold approx around 500k till September 2024 so this is approx. 55.5k/month on average and approx. 14k/week (based on assumption that sales stayed flat since launch), PS5PRo is 4 positions below Portal, so let’s assume drop of 1k/week/for every position below and we get approx. 10k/week now, after preorders went live it was much higher but there is no denying that it dropped and by a big margin, so this gives us 40k/month (pure estimate) for current estimates for Amazon.com only.
James Sawyer Ford
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The next gen Xbox, if it does release in 2026, will be both more expensive and sell less than the ps5 pro
And two years later
James Sawyer Ford
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False, it was made to generate a profit
It’s not selling at cost at all, probably a $50 markup
Topher
Identifies as young
And? Many of us said that the Pro would not stay at the top of the list due to its price very early in the thread.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Based on what? It's still selling better than much cheaper consoles. The preorders will go up to a certain point and then slow down.
It's not going to keep climbing in the charts indefinitely or stay up forever. It's doing great for an expensive niche console
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I’m not sure I’ve seen posts in this thread hoping it fails. We certainly had lots of ‘DOA’ comments in the reveal thread, wholly based on reaction to the price, and there were references to those comments here.
How can you be this definitive about something we have zero info about?
Amazon captures the sales performance as 10k+. I’m not sure how many slices they take, but that kinda suggests it’s under 15k units.
SonGoku
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Im not worried about the price alone but what this means if Sony thinks they can get away with offering poor value for $700, even if the PS6 ends up being only $500 if they follow PS5 Pro model it will be a poorly specced console.
Amazon doesn't post unit sales above "10K+" for any product. It could be 50K, 100K for all we know.
Hero of Spielberg
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Pro is out of the top 100 in Amazon AUS.
That $1,200+ price point a bit high here as expected.
Interestingly the Quest 3 is at number 2
That $1,200+ price point a bit high here as expected.
Interestingly the Quest 3 is at number 2
Topher
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Hero of Spielberg
Member
Indeed! Quite surprised how high it is. Thought VR might have run it’s course but still seems to be a lot of interestNot sold out? Flop
MarkMe2525
Banned
You left out the Quest
I wonder why it's out of the top 100...
Hero of Spielberg
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I wonder why it's out of the top 100...
Preorder available for me?
Maybe because you’re looking from Argentina
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Topher
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You left out the Quest
Hard to keep up with all these flops!
pasterpl
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I guess I will have to take your word for that…oh wait maybe I should trust this guy instead, senior vice president of platform experience Hideaki Nishino.
But it will be a proper next gen, making it the best place to play all multiplatform games inc. GTA6 which will release around same time. Re. High price, we don’t know anything about yet, so we need to wait and see.
Based on Amazon sales rankings, that this thread is talking about, drop by 91 positions in such a short time in UK is massive. Drop by 41 position in USA is also what I would call big. We don’t have specific numbers, but we have got top sellers rankings, and judging only on this there is a massive decline in demand. This is based on currently available data (which I agree is really limited). Didn’t hear a lot of complaining when people were claiming that it red hot when it was nr 1 on Amazon (again, without any numbers, but purely on place top sellers rankings).
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SportsFan581
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I'm surprised how high the quest units are on the yearly chart, either they've gotten really popular on Amazon or gaming isn't as big of a business on Amazon as you'd think.
More users can only be good for Quest owners, I'll take it.
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