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[ryutaro's mama]

Oh don't get me started on the police side of things. It is suicidally depressing what we hear about this this side of the pond from America about the police force at times. It's that toxic that over here in the UK if you so much as mention American Police the question, or slapstick follow up is either who have they shot now, or more commonly have they shot another black person?

It's sad parts of the world think that when they think of American cops. I never want to paint every lawman the same as I know good individuals exist but there's some seriously systemic bullshit going on within American forces at times. More so the clear cover ups and justice not working both ways when a life has been taken when it shouldn't have been.

I mean you probably won't be surprised to hear I'm yet another brit who is anti-gun and doesn't belive citizens require to walk around armed to the teeth. However I'm not so simply ignorant to try and say taking away guns stops cops shooting people, specifically black people. The problem with justice not being served to cops and the indefensible and disgustingly high rate of shootings of blacks, many unarmed, is a separate issue from any gun law/1st amendment debates.

The issues surrounding race in the States have many layers but it's a pity I felt safer around the police in the UK than I do here at home. Not once while there did I think, when seeing an police officer, "Holy shit, is this the day it happens?"

In the US, that underlying fear presents itself every time I see a police officer and I have never been so much as handcuffed but I have been pulled over a few times and it was fucking nerve-racking.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I never understand how a board with the majority of its posters arising from the United States of America fail to understand protest. It's history. Our schools are failing. People just read about the Boston Tea Party or the Revolutionary War or The Civil Rights era and break out the zoolander, 'But why male models?'

If it's tough to understand, then blame it on our culture. Or, dig deeper and see people would rather die than lose their liberty. A famous quote that is a universal truth.

There's a ton of other good reasons. Or, we could be happy that we haven't reached a violent revolution. Some things in this country deserve violent revolt: police brutality.

We went to war over taxes and representation. Lives are worth more.

 

[Audioboxer]

The issues surrounding race in the States have many layers but it's a pity I felt safer around the police in the UK than I do here at home. Not once while there did I think, when seeing an police officer, "Holy shit, is this the day it happens?"

In the US, that underlying fear presents itself every time I see a police officer and I have never been so much as handcuffed but I have been pulled over a few times and it was fucking nerve-racking.

Yeah I'd hate to live like that. I mean occasionally I still get the heightened senses when I know cops are around, and it's not because I'm doing anything wrong, it's almost just instinctual. Especially when driving.

However I can't fathom how it feels to be a black American especially in some states already tied up in unlawful killings, searches, pull overs and just generally poor treatment and lack of respect for minorities or non-whites. It's a chilling thought to have that added stress in your daily life, especially when you know you are doing no wrong.

In contrast to Trump it's most certainly why I empathise with Mexicans or anyone else he has tarred publicly. How can you feel safe or supportive of such a person being the most powerful man in your country?
I understand the need for border control and immigration policy, but it's just utterly distasteful to hear arguments presented the way he's done it.

 

[Hexa]

That poll is meaningless, how are they doing in each individual state?

The protests are a major problem for Trump, his whole game for the general election is going to rely on pivoting away from his extreme rhetoric. The protests disrupt his efforts in larger cities and act as a reflection of his extremism.

Nah. That's a battle he has no chance of winning. Instead of making himself look good to a larger group, he should just focus on making Hillary look just as bad and try to dampen as much enthusiasm as possible.
There have been rumors that he might start taking in larger donations for the general, but that's probably a bad idea. I would think getting Roger Stone or whoever to make an Anti-Hillary Super-Pac that gets all the donation money and attacks Hillary from both the left and the right would be a better use of money, and would also let Trump keep claiming he's self funding.

 

[Jawbreaker]

Because, if you dig deep enough, that is usually not the case...whether they have a warped view of their alignment or their own agenda, I believe that sort of individual is going there with something in mind.

I have been to protests where a person is being dragged away by police shouting shit that had nothing to do with the actual protest.

I think it's extremely rare when a person that is there to be peaceful, organically goes violent without provocation.

The people looting the CVS in Ferguson prolly weren't there to peacefully assemble.

Of course they're going to these protests with that particular tactic in mind; that is their form of protest. However, I wouldn't call it opportunism if they're actively protesting the same issue. In the case of Trump protests, I can easily see tempers flaring and people losing their shit over words. Looting is more easily seen as opportunistic, yes.

LOLOLOL
Black Bloc are full of garbage

all they do is hijack other people's protests than go anarcho-vandalsim on everything

Black Bloc are useless and are only out for shits n giggles.

I'm a Montrealer, I have seen them in action. Black Block are a big fat mess

To be clear, I wasn't condoning black bloc tactics.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Of course they're going to these protests with that particular tactic in mind; that is their form of protest. However, I wouldn't call it opportunism if they're actively protesting the same issue. In the case of Trump protests, I can easily see tempers flaring and people losing their shit over words. Looting is more easily seen as opportunistic, yes.

The biggest issue with protests is, you have zero control over who comes and regardless of what their motive is, their antics is what gets highlighted. The reason for the protest is lost or boxed in with violence as part of the same whole.

Narrative becomes: Protestors = all violent, looters.

That is the problem.

 

[kame-sennin]

Donald Trump jumps highway barrier at rally to avoid protesters

Video at the link.

 

[eifer]

As a white SoCal resident, all those people with their MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN signs are really making me want to vote Trump...

 

[excelsiorlef]

As a white SoCal resident, all those people with their MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN signs are really making me want to vote Trump...

If that's all it takes, I imagine you probably wanted to vote for him anyway.

 

[Fat4all]

As a white SoCal resident, all those people with their MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN signs are really making me want to vote Trump...

Posters making fun of Trumps campaign slogan are convincing you to vote for Trump, eh?

Well ain't that sommit.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If that's all it takes, I imagine you probably wanted to vote for him anyway.

Preach.

 

[Rentahamster]

If that's all it takes, I imagine you probably wanted to vote for him anyway.

Probably not as likely as you think. A mistake lots of people make in the persuasion game is to write off too many people in the middle and assume they are lost causes. Don't make that mistake.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Probably not as likely as you think. A mistake lots of people make in the persuasion game is to write off too many people in the middle and assume they are lost causes. Don't make that mistake.

You're either for a racist or you're not.

If a sign makes you go yup I'm for the racist, you probably were already for the racist.

 

[JordanN]

It's good there are protests happening. As someone said, a President Trump would have access to nuclear launch codes every second. That is a threat to world peace.

 

[E92 M3]

You're either for a racist or you're not.

If a sign makes you go yup I'm for the racist, you probably were already for the racist.

Simplifying something into a binary choice isn't how the real world works, sorry to inform you. Not everyone voting for Trump is a racist. While anecdotal, I know quite a few black people voting for him.

Throwing around the "racist" word at every opportunity dilutes the meaning and stagnates the discussion. I highly doubt that the user you accused of being racist is actually racist. I know it's fun accusing people, though.

It's good there are protests happening. As someone said, a President Trump would have access to nuclear launch codes every second. That is a threat to world peace.

Cruz is a million times worse than Trump and it's funny how he gets ignored.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Simplifying something into a binary choice isn't how the real world works, sorry to inform you. Not everyone voting for Trump is a racist. While anecdotal, I know quite a few black people voting for him.

Re-read his post.

He never said the person voting for Trump is racist, rather that they are "for the racist".

 

[MHWilliams]

Throwing around the "racist" word at every opportunity dilutes the meaning and stagnates the discussion. I highly doubt that the user you accused of being racist is actually racist. I know it's fun accusing people, though.

He said "for the racist".

Do we have to offer up all the previous racist statements by Donald Trump to prove that point?

And at some point, given those statements, one has to ask why you still would support him.

 

[Enzom21]

As a white SoCal resident, all those people with their MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN signs are really making me want to vote Trump...

Why?

Re-read his post.

He never said the person voting for Trump is racist, rather that they are "for the racist".

But reading is hard!

 

[commedieu]

Why?

But reading is hard!

Why?

Well. Trump is going to build a wall to keep mexicans out. He also wants to patrol Muslim neighborhoods. He also supports his supporters violent acts and says he will cover their legal fees, not sure if I can confirm this.. but was the black man that was hit at his rally and arrested while trump supporters yelled "go home nigger" covered by trump?

So If a sign bothers you, then, why wouldn't you vote for the man that wants to rid the United states of Mexicans, Muslims, and likely negros?

 

[PopeReal]

I wish some of you would get as worked up over how minorities are treated in this country the same way that some broken windows in cars get you.

Imagine if we actually cared enough to change things instead of getting all pissy when people let all that frustration out?

 

[E92 M3]

Re-read his post.

He never said the person voting for Trump is racist, rather that they are "for the racist".

He said "for the racist".

Do we have to offer up all the previous racist statements by Donald Trump to prove that point?

And at some point, given those statements, one has to ask why you still would support him.

You guys are right, I was reading on my phone and thought he accused him of being a racist (something that's happened here before).

 

[commedieu]

I wish some of you would get as worked up over how minorities are treated in this country the same way that some broken windows in cars get you.

Imagine if we actually cared enough to change things instead of getting all pissy when people let all that frustration out?

What treatment? My friend at work doesn't have those issues.

#allinsuredpropertymatters

 

[User1608]

As a white SoCal resident, all those people with their MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN signs are really making me want to vote Trump...

Hmm.

 

[PopeReal]

What treatment? My friend at work doesn't have those issues.

#allinsuredpropertymatters

Haha for sure. I am always fascinated how some Americans value property over people. I wonder at what point in their lives did they turn to robots.

 

[JordanN]

Cruz is a million times worse than Trump and it's funny how he gets ignored.

I was watching the March Republican debate and from what I saw, Cruz just looks spineless. He seems like he'll just be another Bush where he's just incompetent and will do what others tell him to do. He doesn't command the clout to defend himself or make aggressive stances.

I think Trump is more dangerous because as he pointed out, he's not trying to be a "politician". He really wants to rule America like one of his businesses. And like businesses, the person at the top (CEO) can't be dictated to.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Haha for sure. I am always fascinated how some Americans value property over people. I wonder at what point in their lives did they turn to robots.

Property can't defend itself and has no bootstraps.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

Everyone knows what they did was wrong but when you say things about people like trump does you can't expect everyone to to act rationally.

Oh no my feelings are hurt. Better go destroy some property! If only big bad Trump didn't say such mean things.

 

[E92 M3]

I was watching the March Republican debate and from what I saw, Cruz just looks spineless. He seems like he'll just be another Bush where he's just incompetent and will do what others tell him to do. He doesn't command the clout to defend himself or make aggressive stances.

I think Trump is more dangerous because as he pointed out, he's not trying to be a "politician". He really wants to rule America like one of his businesses. And like businesses, the person at the top (CEO) can't be dictated to.

Cruz caused a government shutdown and believes he's the chosen one. He also wants to abolish the IRS. Obviously that will never happen, but that guy is scary extremist.

 

[excelsiorlef]

For the record I'm a she

 

[Vicetrailia]

Oh no my feelings are hurt. Better go destroy some property! If only big bad Trump didn't say such mean things.

It's nice to say that when his rhetoric doesn't include you. You don't even have to think about it until a minority says something.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

For the record I'm a she

kk

 

[User1608]

*huh, glitch lol

 

[timetokill]

Why?

To many, that comes across as anti-American and inflammatory, like their goal is to institute Mexican dominance within the US via immigration, illegal or not. It suggests not learning English, and generally like it's taking for granted the opportunities America provides. Like Mexicans aren't only here but they're ungrateful.

It's something that riles people up and makes them more receptive to Trump.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I was watching the March Republican debate and from what I saw, Cruz just looks spineless. He seems like he'll just be another Bush where he's just incompetent and will do what others tell him to do. He doesn't command the clout to defend himself or make aggressive stances.

I think Trump is more dangerous because as he pointed out, he's not trying to be a "politician". He really wants to rule America like one of his businesses. And like businesses, the person at the top (CEO) can't be dictated to.

Oh not Cruz is hella worse. He's a true believer religious extremist.

But it's like chosing between Hitler or Mussolini

 

[User1608]

Oh no my feelings are hurt. Better go destroy some property! If only big bad Trump didn't say such mean things.

Yeah, calling mexicans rapists, drug dealers and murderers is far beyond mean things.

 

[studyguy]

To many, that comes across as anti-American and inflammatory, like their goal is to institute Mexican dominance within the US via immigration, illegal or not. It suggests not learning English, and generally like it's taking for granted the opportunities America provides. Like Mexicans aren't only here but they're ungrateful.

It's something that riles people up and makes them more receptive to Trump.

Sounds like the people who are angry they occasionally give you the option for English by pushing 1 or another language with 2.
Most of those people aren't worth worrying about.

 

[GYODX]

Shit man sorry I didn't know Nana Ruth was your Nana.

How are you holding up, hypothetically?

In what world is an ambulance needing to pass through a major road to tend to an emergency situation not a likely, or daily, occurrence? This moronic meme needs to die. This is disingenuous bullshit full stop.

 

[Aaronology]

I wish some of you would get as worked up over how minorities are treated in this country the same way that some broken windows in cars get you.

Imagine if we actually cared enough to change things instead of getting all pissy when people let all that frustration out?

Stop trying to demonize posters in this thread who disagree with you by implying they are apathetic wrt civil rights. Thanks.

 

[Dai101]

Oh no my feelings are hurt. Better go destroy some property! If only big bad Trump didn't say such mean things.

It must be nice to be living in such a sheltered privileged life.

 

[Spine_Ripper]

As a white SoCal resident, all those people with their MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN signs are really making me want to vote Trump...

As a Mexican-American, please learn the history of your state

 

[EatinOlives]

I'm fine with protests and sit ins.
What is happening at these rallies is on a different level.

You're right, the amount of veiled hate speech Trump spews on a constant basis on these things is appalling.

Oh wait, it's only the protesters that are making your blood boil...?

 

[Chie Satonaka]

In what world is an ambulance needing to pass through a major road to tend to an emergency situation not a likely, or daily, occurrence? This moronic meme needs to die.

I hope it never does.

As stated before, there are scenarios in which diversions and delays occur for life saving vehicles regardless of protest being involved or not. Using this as an attempt to cut down protests is moronic.

 

[GYODX]

It must be nice to be living in such a sheltered privileged life.

I've lived the opposite of a privileged life and I still agree with that sentiment. Somethings can just be boiled down to a, y'know, difference of opinion.

 

[User1608]

You're right, the amount of veiled hate speech Trump spews on a constant basis on these things is appalling.

Oh wait, it's only the protesters that are making your blood boil...?

Not speaking about diablos specifically but I've learned from my own experiences those expressing similar sentiments tend not to give a damn about the rhetoric as it's not targeted against them.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

I've lived the opposite of a privileged life and I still agree with that sentiment. Somethings can just be boiled down to a, y'know, difference of opinion.

I don't think a racist running for POTUS should be taken as a difference of opinion. This guy has a terrible view on foreign policy, immigration, domestic policy, is a well known liar, sexist bigot.

We've gone to war over less.

 

[GYODX]

I hope it never does.

As stated before, there are scenarios in which diversions and delays occur for life saving vehicles regardless of protest being involved or not. Using this as an attempt to cut down protests is moronic.

What are some of these scenarios in which transit through a major, PUBLIC road is suddenly and intentionally blocked for extended periods of time, without prior coordination with the relevant authorities?

You people call it a hypothetical as if it were an unlikely scenario. An emergency situation is as likely a hypothetical as a Trump presidency being bad for minorities. That is to say, they're both very likely scenarios and to try to downplay and disregard concerns over the former is nothing but disingenuous crap. It's not an attempt to cut down protests, it is rightfully pointing out that that particular form of protest is obnoxious, unlikely to garner sympathy, and potentially dangerous--and not to a trivial degree considering the plain fact that emergency situations, in which an ambulance may need to transit a major public road, happen on a daily basis.

 

[GYODX]

I don't think a racist running for POTUS should be taken as a difference of opinion. This guy has a terrible view on foreign policy, immigration, domestic policy, is a well known liar, sexist bigot.

We've gone to war over less.

Read the quoted posts. The difference of opinion I was referring to wasn't about supporting Trump. For the record, I think that is inexcusable as well.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

It must be nice to be living in such a sheltered privileged life.

Oh man. You have no idea. It is fucking awesome! If it weren't for this website I'd probably be one of those 4chan types that blamed all my problems on "Social Justice Warriors". But seeing the experiences of different kinds of people has really made me appreciate what I have. Being a cis-gendered heterosexual white male is like living life on easy mode! I can basically do whatever I want all the time because society essentially caters to me, and all I have to worry about is maybe my feelings getting hurt, but even still that's only online. I wouldn't even know about some of these social issues were it not for the Internet, and anytime I feel bad I can just log off and it all goes away. I don't even have to worry about Donald Trump and all his thin-skinned loser supporters drawn to his ego because I know he will lose the election and even if he didn't, it probably wouldn't make my life worse in any meaningful way.

As a Mexican-American, please learn the history of your state

Hey now, we stole that land from Mexico fair and square in a war that we started! But since you're a Mexican-American it is still your land too anyway, no?

 

[Dai101]

I've lived the opposite of a privileged life and I still agree with that sentiment. Somethings can just be boiled down to a, y'know, difference of opinion.

So fuck you, got mine. Not much different really.

 

[GYODX]

So fuck you, got mine. Not much different really.

Really now, explain to me how I've got it made. Please try.

Stop assuming shit and stop trying to pigeon hole everyone and everything into neat, little and easily explainable stereotypes.