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Juke Joint Jezebel
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Ready for the movie, Starbros
Ah yes, buy a fucking fridge! With my destiny fulfilled, I can now die, safe in the knowledge I have somewhere to store my perishables!
Shouta
Member
Mixed reviews? Sounds like Star Wars! I want to see how they end this leaky boat so I'm going to see it. I
Yeah, I agree with this about the characters from the original trilogy. They're fantastic and well-characterized but there's not that much outside of their archetypes in their films. It's not a bad thing and honestly, it's the only time the characters have ever really worked in the movie franchise. I actually liked TFA and TLJ in that area since they were trying to show the old characters with faults and how they bounced back but it seems like a lot of folks didn't want that, even putting aside the other problems with the films.
Yeah, I agree with this about the characters from the original trilogy. They're fantastic and well-characterized but there's not that much outside of their archetypes in their films. It's not a bad thing and honestly, it's the only time the characters have ever really worked in the movie franchise. I actually liked TFA and TLJ in that area since they were trying to show the old characters with faults and how they bounced back but it seems like a lot of folks didn't want that, even putting aside the other problems with the films.
Shizumapower
Member
Malakhov
Banned
Lucas fleeced us with the horrible prequels, he was ruining star wars so nah, I'll pass.
Pretty hilarious to see the old coon worked up about it when he's the one who introduced boring politics and tried to cash in on as many characters he could fit into that shitfest that was the prequels just to sell toys
He didn't even want to direct the movies in the OT, stop giving that lunatic the attention he craves, let him be forgotten
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Shizumapower
Member
Shantae
Banned
I don't want to defend the prequels entirely, hell, I've always hated Episode 2 especially. However when I think back to 1999, when Episode 1 came out..I was 15 at the time, and I don't remember actively hating Star Wars after the movie. (Edit: I just wanted to add, that let's put that info next to the fact that my now 15 year old nephew actually really started to hate Star Wars after The Last Jedi, and we're talking about a kid who grew up with it since he was born pretty much, and was a huge fan.) I feel like I knew TPM was flawed, but felt there was room for improvement after it. If anything though, it rejuvenated any interest I had in Star Wars at the time. There were good video games coming out, and I was having fun playing those at the time.
AotC did really ruin a lot of that because of how horrible the script was, but at that point in time, it was still an anomaly for me, and it didn't actively ruin the rest of the series. As bad as Episode 2 was, you could still enjoy the other movies, because it didn't ruin the lore. It didn't ruin parts of the original trilogy, it just had really bad writing. Then Episode 3 came out, and while far from perfect, it was fun. I still actively enjoy the Yoda/Palpatine fight in that movie, and the scenes between Anakin and Palpatine are engaging. Ian McDiarmid was a joy to watch in that movie.
As bad as the prequels were in some respects, what Disney has done is like...a black hole of shittiness. It not only sucks on it's own, but pulls the original movies into it's shittiness because of how badly they respect the continuity. These sequels suck so much they don't even respect their own fucking continuity.
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-Arcadia-
Banned
Sound advice, but not for the reason you think.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The thing about the PQ is that Lucas really tried and he just fell short. He knew where he wanted to start, with the origin of Anakin Skywalker. And he knew where it would finish, with Anakin becoming Darth Vader. It was all the stuff in the middle that he seemed to be having issues with. It turns out that realistically depicting someone's ideals crumbling and their fall into darkness is not something that is easily done in film. You need Shakespeare-level storytelling there and Lucas is a little short of that.
Now contrast that with the Disney Trilogy which literally started with "How can we make money off this property we just spent $4 billion to acquire?" and that was the limit of thinking they seemed to have put into it. Ultimately, as flawed as it was, Lucas had a vision and he was trying to make something for the sake of telling a story. His reach exceeded his grasp there, especially since the two primary actors for the PQ story had the charisma of cardboard, but the intent was at least noble.
Disney's vision is making money and everything they make is for the sake of making money. Unfortunately applying the same "Assembly Line of Product Sold for Money" mentality to Star Wars that they use for Marvel Cinematic Universe isn't really effective when you don't have a century's worth of comic material to simply crib and shit onto the big screen with a lot of CG effects. You might say, "But what about the 3 decades of Expanded Universe material?" but oh wait they threw all that into the garbage. Imagine if the Disney Trilogy was just an adaptation of Timothy Zahn's original Thrawn trilogy, instead of the shit that we got instead for instance.
Shantae
Banned
Even then, it all comes back to those in charge of Disney's version of Star Wars having an agenda. Making money was certainly part of what made the higher ups buy Star Wars, and wanna start shitting it out as fast as possible. Then you had people like Kathleen Kennedy though who were put in charge of where the series would go creatively, and you'd think that if the sole goal was to make money, they'd take George Lucas's ideas, and at least work with them as a baseline. But no, we had people like her who had an agenda, and said "we're gonna make sure everyone is represented, and we're not gonna offend anyone, except our target audience." We had to get this shitty retrend in TFA from JJ Abrams, the man who thinks he's this artistic visionary, and maybe from a visual standpoint he's adequate at copying what Speilberg did, but from a writing standpoint, he couldn't finish a sandwich. He comes up with cliffhangers, with no intention or idea on how to resolve them. That is not what Star Wars was ever fucking about, it's not a god damn mystery, and it didn't need to be. Then Rian Johnson, who is a fucking hack of a writer and director, with some of the most basic level talent in the industry, how the hell was a man like that given sole control on a fucking billion dollar franchise is beyond me. He only proves his lack of talent with every fucking thing he did with TLJ.
Malakhov
Banned
Well your age had a lot to do with it. A lot of younger people than me love the prequels juste like my kids love ep. 7 and 8 and even though I haven't enjoyed them a lot, they at least we're entertaining popcorn movies unlike the prequels.
I haven't enjoyed a lot of stuff post OT besides rogue one, rebels and now the Mandalorian but saying Disney ruined star wars is insanity. Lucas was ruining it. It's at least now back for the kids, which is what star wars is supposed to be. My kids love their action figures of Rey and Kylo as much as I enjoyed my figures of Luke and Vader when I was as young as them and that for me, is quite alright in my book.
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Ok she definitely had an agenda sure. The agenda was to make Star Wars inclusive but that doesn’t necessarily mean the movies would be like they are. If you made Luke skywalker a girl and lea a boy the OT would still be the OT more or less and still be great.
I don't know, but this fucking always tells me that she basically had an agenda. She didn't care about what George had done with the series, nor did she have any intention of respecting it.
I'm not gonna say that Star Wars was for men, or that it had to be for men, and to keep my women out of it, but the way they went about it was completely uncalled for and fucked up.
You have a brand that was basically marketed to young boys for decades, and when boys ended up liking Star Wars a lot, why the hell tell them that they are not wanted anymore? It's like if Mattel took Barbie and decided to say we're changing our focus to mostly Ken dolls. It's just weird that what was basically a toy brand pushed towards boys, once bought by Disney started telling boys that they were in the wrong for keeping it away from girls or something. I dunno, it's just a completely fucking stupid situation which wasn't created by the fans at all, if anything, it was the franchise's own marketing that made it seem male dominated.
the movies aren’t bad bc Rey is a chick they are bad bc the writing is disjointed and the movies are on a unbelievably tiny scale. Characters besides Kylo Ren are boring and interchangeable. I just doing believe shoving an agenda into a movie necessarily makes it bad. Especially if that agenda is basically “get more chicks in there”
Shantae
Banned
I would actually agree with that, it's hard to argue about her shoving Rey into Star Wars as a Mary Sue, and not sound sexist. I want women in my fiction, I PREFER women characters in fiction quite often. Hell, I can't tell how many times I wish some of the video games I play had a cool female character to play as instead of some of the boring men that have been in some. Especially open world games.
The problem with Star Wars now, with Rey, and what Kathleen Kennedy has done to the series is they're making it all about the genitals, and have none of the damn talent to give them any good character. The Force isn't female, it's everyone! What the hell is this message that she wears on that shit even say to the boys of today who do want to like Star Wars. It's like saying they're not wanted, and you don't do that. Even when marketing appealed to young boys, they didn't go out of their way to tell girls to fuck off, but that's the message Kathleen Kennedy wants to send to males.
Everyone is botched in this new trilogy, and just because kids are playing with the toys doesn't mean they have any reliability to the characters. I had plenty of shit tier characters as toys when I was a kid, but I couldn't tell you their names now.
Malakhov
Banned
I love it when grown ups think there is an hidden agenda in star wars movies, that star wars characters in the new trilogy are botched, that characters in the OT were so deep and meaningful.
Yep, the problem isn't them, it's Disney.
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It actually makes a lot of sense. Lucas gets a cut of profits in merchandise sales whenever Disney uses a character that was created in the original universe. Disney got rid of the EU because they wanted to make new characters, all of their own that Lucas wouldn't get a cut of.
This never had anything to do with storytelling. This never had anything to do with character. The sequel trilogy is solely about Disney making as much money as they can while giving Lucas as little as possible.
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Shantae
Banned
*scans all my posts* Nope, I never used the words deep or meaningful in any of my posts. Gotta put words in my mouth to make your attempt an insult. Will I say they're good movies? Yes. Deep and meaningful? No. I'd reserve that kind of talk for something like films by Kubrick, or The Fountain.
Malakhov
Banned
I was also talking about grown ups waking up in the night to hate the new trilogy but hey, if you feel yourself concerned and the hat fits, good for you
Careful there, Kathleen might be coming after your nuts, she just hates males so badly.
Ah so your trolling is about is about defending "poor" Kathleen.
Don't worry, she is doing just fine
ExpandKong
Banned
When did they start referring to this trilogy as “the conclusion to the Skywalker Saga?” I feel like I didn’t hear that phrase until after TLJ was out and people started bashing it, like it was a marketing buzzphraze they drummed up to try and legitimize their movie.
Whenever it was, I don’t like it. That story wasn’t y’all’s to finish. It was done. Happily ever after for Luke and the gang. You bought the IP and had a literal galaxy’s worth of lore to mine from for new movies, and what did you do? Said “you know what, fuck all of this EU stuff, none of it is real” and remade the original trilogy but worse.
Hey kids remember dashing rogue Han Solo? Now he’s a deadbeat dad and a failure as a husband! Remember the tough and beautiful Princess Leia? Now she’s General Leia because fuck you for ever thinking a princess was cool you misogynists! Also please try to forget Leia existed before TFA when we tell you how great it is for these new Star Wars movies to have a female heroine for girls to look up to.
Remember Luke? Remember the most optimistic gee-whiz space farmboy who ever lived? The one who made a one-in-a-million shot to destroy the Death Star and deal a critical blow to the Empire? The one who abandoned his training and rushed into a fight he knew he probably wouldn’t win because his friends were in danger? The one who threw down his lightsaber and refused to strike down a genocidal maniac (and the most iconic villain in movie history) because deep down he could still sense the good in the man who was once his father?
Yeah he had a bad dream about his own nephew and came a hair’s breadth away from murdering him in his fuckin’ sleep lol. THEN he abandons his friends and his family to live alone on island world as a grumpy asshole for the rest of his life, sucking green milk outta some fat thing’s boobs.
The thrilling conclusion to the Skywalker Saga (property of Disney Corp)! Your childhood heroes are dead and also assholes. And since the Emperor was apparently still alive and pulling strings behind the scenes for decades, they never actually accomplished anything after all! Good thing Rey is here to get shit done for real with her gooollllllden lightsaber while friend and foe alike fall all over themselves to suck her dick.
But don’t listen to me I’m just a cishet manbaby fuckhead. Maybe a virgin too?
Whenever it was, I don’t like it. That story wasn’t y’all’s to finish. It was done. Happily ever after for Luke and the gang. You bought the IP and had a literal galaxy’s worth of lore to mine from for new movies, and what did you do? Said “you know what, fuck all of this EU stuff, none of it is real” and remade the original trilogy but worse.
Hey kids remember dashing rogue Han Solo? Now he’s a deadbeat dad and a failure as a husband! Remember the tough and beautiful Princess Leia? Now she’s General Leia because fuck you for ever thinking a princess was cool you misogynists! Also please try to forget Leia existed before TFA when we tell you how great it is for these new Star Wars movies to have a female heroine for girls to look up to.
Remember Luke? Remember the most optimistic gee-whiz space farmboy who ever lived? The one who made a one-in-a-million shot to destroy the Death Star and deal a critical blow to the Empire? The one who abandoned his training and rushed into a fight he knew he probably wouldn’t win because his friends were in danger? The one who threw down his lightsaber and refused to strike down a genocidal maniac (and the most iconic villain in movie history) because deep down he could still sense the good in the man who was once his father?
Yeah he had a bad dream about his own nephew and came a hair’s breadth away from murdering him in his fuckin’ sleep lol. THEN he abandons his friends and his family to live alone on island world as a grumpy asshole for the rest of his life, sucking green milk outta some fat thing’s boobs.
The thrilling conclusion to the Skywalker Saga (property of Disney Corp)! Your childhood heroes are dead and also assholes. And since the Emperor was apparently still alive and pulling strings behind the scenes for decades, they never actually accomplished anything after all! Good thing Rey is here to get shit done for real with her gooollllllden lightsaber while friend and foe alike fall all over themselves to suck her dick.
But don’t listen to me I’m just a cishet manbaby fuckhead. Maybe a virgin too?
Shantae
Banned
Yeah, I ended up putting them on ignore when he was an obvious troll.
Malakhov
Banned
Yeah obviously I am trying to defend a woman who makes millions and works for Disney. Makes total sense.
Looks like you're also one who should be on the lookout for their nuts
Im so worried to be ignored by a grown up men having such hate against kids movies. I'll have to consult
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longdi
Banned
Idk mate. TLJ was painfully over board with hot blooded male goofs and calm females saving their asses.
Besides TLJ being a disjointed mid-triology part..
#Phonepunk#
Banned
KK had an agenda, which is why she appointed Kari Hart, who made the story group all women, and then for the Lucasfilm Story Group they hired a bunch of nobodies with zero experience to oversee licensing & coordinating, cross-market branding, etc. as far as lore they probably didn't care about much, their job was to say "Promote this character", "Don't reveal this", etc. and focus on brand synergy. they weren't really creating anything new, just managing other people. replacements for George Lucas they were not.
JJ had something with TFA, he really did. Snoke was cool as a giant hologram. he should have been a giant being, maybe Kylo meets him on some moon, and it is super trippy and fantasy, Snoke is performing a ritual in this giant temple, etc. i dunno, something besides rehashing ROTJ's throne room scene. there are a million things they could have done, it feels like they always picked the most boring.
the ultimate death was when they bothsidesed the Jedi and Sith. a dark, dejected Luke makes sense, but for him to equate the Jedi and Sith, Obi Wan & Yoda with these mass murderers, is an insult to history. thousands of years of peace and justice is being rejected in favor of amoral edgelordism. that this theme is repeated with DJ and the Rose Casino sidequest, the idea that both sides are kinda the same, cos rich people sell them weapons, is harmful moral relativism that critically damages the very black & white fable-like foundations of Star Wars. "good and evil, they don't really matter", is my take from the ST. Luke comes out of hiding in order to threaten his nephew with a lightsaber once again, cursing endless war on the child of his sister, and we are meant to believe this is a peaceful end to the character? at that point, who really gives the fuck what happens next?
JJ had something with TFA, he really did. Snoke was cool as a giant hologram. he should have been a giant being, maybe Kylo meets him on some moon, and it is super trippy and fantasy, Snoke is performing a ritual in this giant temple, etc. i dunno, something besides rehashing ROTJ's throne room scene. there are a million things they could have done, it feels like they always picked the most boring.
the ultimate death was when they bothsidesed the Jedi and Sith. a dark, dejected Luke makes sense, but for him to equate the Jedi and Sith, Obi Wan & Yoda with these mass murderers, is an insult to history. thousands of years of peace and justice is being rejected in favor of amoral edgelordism. that this theme is repeated with DJ and the Rose Casino sidequest, the idea that both sides are kinda the same, cos rich people sell them weapons, is harmful moral relativism that critically damages the very black & white fable-like foundations of Star Wars. "good and evil, they don't really matter", is my take from the ST. Luke comes out of hiding in order to threaten his nephew with a lightsaber once again, cursing endless war on the child of his sister, and we are meant to believe this is a peaceful end to the character? at that point, who really gives the fuck what happens next?
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Hulk_Smash
Banned
Starcrash!
Fun fact: The dorky blonde haired dude is Marjoe Gortner. He became semi-famous (mostly due to his age- he was four when he started preaching publicly) in the world of traveling evangelists when he would tour with his dad and preach faith healing and all other sorts of nonsense. Then he quit all that stuff and became an agnostic. Years later, he took a film crew with him and went on tour one more time, this time to show people how much these guys are full of shit and how utterly gullible the attendees were.
Crazy thing is, as far as I know, he kept the money he made off the people while filming his expose.
*adust glasses* Now if you’ll excuse me I have some earl grey tea to finish.
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Southern Gentleman
Member
Exactly.
"Good guys... bad guys... made-up words."
Imagine writing that in a script and thinking you're smart.
macfoshizzle
Member
yeah there were a lo of things wrong with the prequels, but at least it was george lucas vision. . just executed incorrectly. see that's why new hope was the worst of the originals because he took entire control of it, unlike empires and return of the jedi. what he needed to do was the same thing, have someone else direct it and write the screenplay, and he just oversee everything in terms of story. if that was done with disney and kathleen kennedy didnt betray lucas, then this would be a different story, more in line at least what it should be.. georges vision
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Idk Poe was pretty badass. it seemed even when I watched it first was that the men were trying to win the war and the women were being overly sentimental and waiting to be saved. Even at the end the women are sending signals for others to come help while the men are sacrificing it all just for the group to survive(besides Rey who is just begging Luke).
Poe fin and Luke all had suicide runs. Leia, the general purple hair, and that Asian chick all were just running away and preying for help.
I guess it just depends on your perspective but Leia would have died right at the beginning of the film if it wasn’t for Poe. Leia would have died again if Luke and Fin didn’t save her. Men were saving the day all through the film.
Elginer
Member
So very true.
Porcile
Member
Dark Star
buizel
Banned
Is just a marketing tactic to assure ANYONE WHOS EVER SEEN ANY OF THE STAR WARSES knows that THEY NEED TO SEE THIS FILM because it's SO RELEVANT to insert-fave-starwars-here that you NEED TO SEE IT.
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Shodan09
Unconfirmed Member
The phrasing only cropped up after TLJ had such a negative backlash and made way less than TFA as instant damage control.
autoduelist
Member
It saddens me that this is yet another franchise that feels dead to me. I don't even care if its good. So many misfires, from Greedo shot first, to Jar Jar, to SJW nonsense [especially what they did to Luke]. I can't care anymore. It doesn't help it is Disney, so earns bonus distaste points for all the other crimes Disney is responsible for. It's to the point that even if it was a majestic return to form, I don't want to reward it. Star Wars used to evoke such incredible feelings in me... the Force, yoda, everything. and now I think of Luke milking green spooge.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
It's the Star Wars we should have been getting since 1983.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Today in alternative facts: Yoshi said it is the Star Wars we should have been getting since 2015.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Jeremy Jahns trashed it. Said it was his least favorite 9 core Star Wars movies, which means he liked it less than The Last Jedi.
58% on Rotten Tomatoes with 37 reviews. Mostly smaller fansites giving it positives.
"The die-hard fans, who have the best shot of actually enjoying The Rise of Skywalker, are likely to have some serious complaints, and it's not inconceivable that it may be received as warmly as the finale of Game of Thrones." -grouchoreviews (
)
"It's a somewhat soulless delivery system of catharsis, but Disney and Abrams are banking on the delivery itself to be enough." -thewrap
"Rise of the Skywalker isn't an ending, a sequel, a reboot, or a remix. It's a zombie." -Entertainment Weekly
"The cast does a very good job, but this trilogy is stuck in a nose dive it can't escape. The movie tries to use fan service to save the day, but it just comes off as desperate..." -Grace Randolph
"A densely packed highlight reel fails to tell a story that's narratively interesting, thematically cohesive, or that builds any impactful stakes...Designed to tantalize and delight in the hope those things cover up its many shortcomings." -io9
"There doesn't seem to be any real organic idea animating Rise of Skywalker; instead it feels cobbled together from notes stuffed in the suggestion boxes of Reddit and Twitter." -Vanity Fair
"The die-hard fans, who have the best shot of actually enjoying The Rise of Skywalker, are likely to have some serious complaints, and it's not inconceivable that it may be received as warmly as the finale of Game of Thrones." -grouchoreviews (
)"It's a somewhat soulless delivery system of catharsis, but Disney and Abrams are banking on the delivery itself to be enough." -thewrap
"Rise of the Skywalker isn't an ending, a sequel, a reboot, or a remix. It's a zombie." -Entertainment Weekly
"The cast does a very good job, but this trilogy is stuck in a nose dive it can't escape. The movie tries to use fan service to save the day, but it just comes off as desperate..." -Grace Randolph
"A densely packed highlight reel fails to tell a story that's narratively interesting, thematically cohesive, or that builds any impactful stakes...Designed to tantalize and delight in the hope those things cover up its many shortcomings." -io9
"There doesn't seem to be any real organic idea animating Rise of Skywalker; instead it feels cobbled together from notes stuffed in the suggestion boxes of Reddit and Twitter." -Vanity Fair
Stiflers Mom
Banned
Everything Star Wars after 1983 has been shit, movie wise.
They never understood what made Star Wars the thing it is, and just concentrated on the "FORCE" and "JEDI" and "SITH" and "SKYWALKER LINEAGE" shit. Ah, and LIGHTSABERS!!!!!
Give me my fun adventure romp with some cool dudes doing cool shit and spewing cool one liners, and not your wannabe Shakesspearean play executed with cheap high school actors.
Solo would have been a great SW movie, if they made it about some other smuggler dude.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
So, the same critics who loved TLJ hate it, TLJ has 91% critical approval... shouldn't TLJ haters WANT the new film to review poorly? It's like the good old days when the prequels were getting 53%, 65% and to be fair Revenge has 80%, but all the same not sure why critics who some of you clearly believe are politically motivated are to be trusted on this.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
That's what I think as well.
All the interesting threads that were being introduced by JJ in TFA were killed off by Roundhead.
He simply had nothing to work with, and needed to pull stuff out of his ass.
buizel
Banned
Lowest rated Disney Star Wars release by a significant margin.
rebels at 100% fucking lol proves it means NOTHING (painful show)
resistance is trash-tier ps2 animation and its one of the highest rated (never watched an ep, only clips but looks shite)
GreyHorace
Member
I've come to distrust Rotten Tomatoes, and movie critic reviews in general, after all the praise The Last Jedi got.58% on Rotten Tomatoes with 37 reviews. Mostly smaller fansites giving it positives.
"The die-hard fans, who have the best shot of actually enjoying The Rise of Skywalker, are likely to have some serious complaints, and it's not inconceivable that it may be received as warmly as the finale of Game of Thrones." -grouchoreviews (
"It's a somewhat soulless delivery system of catharsis, but Disney and Abrams are banking on the delivery itself to be enough." -thewrap
"Rise of the Skywalker isn't an ending, a sequel, a reboot, or a remix. It's a zombie." -Entertainment Weekly
"The cast does a very good job, but this trilogy is stuck in a nose dive it can't escape. The movie tries to use fan service to save the day, but it just comes off as desperate..." -Grace Randolph
"A densely packed highlight reel fails to tell a story that's narratively interesting, thematically cohesive, or that builds any impactful stakes...Designed to tantalize and delight in the hope those things cover up its many shortcomings." -io9
"There doesn't seem to be any real organic idea animating Rise of Skywalker; instead it feels cobbled together from notes stuffed in the suggestion boxes of Reddit and Twitter." -Vanity Fair
Still, that is not a good look. I'm sure Lucasfilm is now doing some serious rethinking of their plans moving forward. Get rid of all the woke political crap that has sunk the franchise and get back to having fun. Star Wars is an escapist space opera that should be free from any real life concerns.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I get TLJ haters are going to believe the problem JJ had was making something off what Rian did, but I'd argue the level of backlash TLJ got, TFA got, the prequels got and even RotJ got meant the real problem for him was making something that could actually please all Star Wars fans. Based on critical appraisal of TLJ the critics don't actually WANT all Star Wars fans appeased.
Shantae
Banned
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I feel like it's gotta be more is how do you make a sequel to that was written to be a dead end in nearly every aspect. Fuck TLJ, and fuck Rian Johnson. This movie never had a chance to be good. Even if you like TLJ, you can't follow it up with anything interesting, because there's nothing left to care about. Rey is already perfect, there's no growth for her.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I don't really agree with any of that. If anything Rian left it very open for the next person, they could do what they wanted, he removed a chip or two from the table like Snoke but not much else. The way it ends you could set it years later when the Resistance is growing back up off the myth of Luke Skywalker or something. It's the same argument people gave for TLJ anyways, they said JJ set Rian up to fail and when it comes to certain elements (Luke being a hermit) yeah, he kinda did, ESB sets up that Luke can sense his friends in peril across the galaxy, so how do you explain him not going to their aide?
Pumpkin Seeds
Member
Not..
Not positive
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Just as I suspected. Seems like they tried to do way too much in one movie, and with the pressure of also having to the the series together it ended up a disjointed mess.58% on Rotten Tomatoes with 37 reviews. Mostly smaller fansites giving it positives.
"The die-hard fans, who have the best shot of actually enjoying The Rise of Skywalker, are likely to have some serious complaints, and it's not inconceivable that it may be received as warmly as the finale of Game of Thrones." -grouchoreviews (
"It's a somewhat soulless delivery system of catharsis, but Disney and Abrams are banking on the delivery itself to be enough." -thewrap
"Rise of the Skywalker isn't an ending, a sequel, a reboot, or a remix. It's a zombie." -Entertainment Weekly
"The cast does a very good job, but this trilogy is stuck in a nose dive it can't escape. The movie tries to use fan service to save the day, but it just comes off as desperate..." -Grace Randolph
"A densely packed highlight reel fails to tell a story that's narratively interesting, thematically cohesive, or that builds any impactful stakes...Designed to tantalize and delight in the hope those things cover up its many shortcomings." -io9
"There doesn't seem to be any real organic idea animating Rise of Skywalker; instead it feels cobbled together from notes stuffed in the suggestion boxes of Reddit and Twitter." -Vanity Fair
royox
Member
58% on Rotten Tomatoes with 37 reviews. Mostly smaller fansites giving it positives.
"The die-hard fans, who have the best shot of actually enjoying The Rise of Skywalker, are likely to have some serious complaints, and it's not inconceivable that it may be received as warmly as the finale of Game of Thrones." -grouchoreviews (
"It's a somewhat soulless delivery system of catharsis, but Disney and Abrams are banking on the delivery itself to be enough." -thewrap
"Rise of the Skywalker isn't an ending, a sequel, a reboot, or a remix. It's a zombie." -Entertainment Weekly
"The cast does a very good job, but this trilogy is stuck in a nose dive it can't escape. The movie tries to use fan service to save the day, but it just comes off as desperate..." -Grace Randolph
"A densely packed highlight reel fails to tell a story that's narratively interesting, thematically cohesive, or that builds any impactful stakes...Designed to tantalize and delight in the hope those things cover up its many shortcomings." -io9
"There doesn't seem to be any real organic idea animating Rise of Skywalker; instead it feels cobbled together from notes stuffed in the suggestion boxes of Reddit and Twitter." -Vanity Fair
So most of them say movie it's full of Fan Service, action and it gives a closure to everything....so...what i understand is that as a movie maybe it's not a masteripiece but will do its job for star wars fans. I'm ok with it.
royox
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Well last time he felt friends in Peril he fell for a trap and almost made everything wrong. He was the main reason his friends were in peril (a bait to attract him to Vader) and in ROTJ his presence in Endor was the reason the empire almost defeated the Rebels on the moon.
And we can add to all that that he tried to build a new Jedi Order that ended with a Vader 2.0 and the rest of the order killed. I can totally understand why he decided to hide himself and not intervene, he considers himself a danger for his friends and surroundings .