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Rob Ford ctd: Ford rehab, Star posts swinging/racist/drunk driving/violent/drug story
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Toronto Star said:
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha..._cocaine_at_exclusive_club_witnesses_say.html
You can't make this shit up.
You Are Viewtiful
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Next week max.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Journalism! Although I bet The Star wishes they paid for their video now. lol
Everything he's done still allows him to be mayor. The province could remove him, but the government is about to implode and go to an election soon, so they really don't want to get involved now.
Supermanisdead
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Oh man, Willectro's unbanning tomorrow fills me with glee.
Just watch. "Breaking news from The Star. Dug dealer shoots photogenic teen girl in Eaton centre with gun paid for through money earned from sale to Globe and Mail."
Dark Schala
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Just reading the Colesnotes of that Sun recording at that bar, and lol
I think I heard someone on CP24 saying that he doesn't remember anything that he says when he's drinking, so *shrug*. I still can't believe that no one at all on his campaign team figured that maybe they do need to keep the guy who they're working for on a leash and make folks keep him from getting into dumb shit. No wait, never mind. I forgot he's surrounded by enablers.
Well...
I think I heard someone on CP24 saying that he doesn't remember anything that he says when he's drinking, so *shrug*. I still can't believe that no one at all on his campaign team figured that maybe they do need to keep the guy who they're working for on a leash and make folks keep him from getting into dumb shit. No wait, never mind. I forgot he's surrounded by enablers.
firehawk12
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Naw, most people resign with some dignity and try to hide in shame for a few years before coming back. He's telling everyone to fuck off because he is still fairly popular and has a lot of support.
But there's no impeachment process as in, if you do something illegal, you can be removed from office by the legislative body.
This is such an odd thing done in such an extreme fashion that I can barely fault the Torontonian government for not having something in the books. I mean, anybody else would have stepped down if they were so steeped in this level of embarrassment.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Nope. The council limited his powers last year, but the only way to remove him is if he is actually incarcerated - which he hasn't been. Alternatively, he misses 3 months of meetings. The province can remove him, but it's basically a Liberal government removing a Conservative mayor and I assume that's political death for the Liberals (who are basically on the verge of losing anyway).
10/10
Ford news has been so quiet the past couple of weeks that I thought someone finally did get him on a leash.
Guess not. He just went underground, to his sister's basement.
Where's Doug? I guess he's sick of all this shit and is trying to save his own political "future". (Not gonna happen.)
So you're saying that if you vote someone in, and that person turns out to be a defective piece of shit, you should be stuck with that person for the entire term?
The recall process should only be available in extreme circumstances, but really, there should be one.
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qizah
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Bravo.
Please define what a 'piece of shit' means in this case. Because, as it as been established in this thread, there are already mechanisms in place to remove the mayor from office if he imprisoned or if he misses a set amount of council meetings. Barring that, you cannot remove an elected official just because you don't happen to like his character. That opens a whole nasty can o' worms.
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qizah
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It's not even about his character at this point. He has a clear drug and alcohol problem, that alone limits his ability to effectively do his job. He should have resigned months ago when all this first came out.
On top of that he has a clear lack of a respect for the process and the democratic system, like Harper. I don't get why you'd want to be a leader of any level of government if you're showing that you honestly don't give a fuck about anything.
gutter_trash
Banned
thank you Rob Ford for all the comedy,
this time I think it is really over, you need help and everyone told you to seek help
this time I think it is really over, you need help and everyone told you to seek help
Recall elections exist for a reason. Don't hold voters hostage because they were misled or made a mistake.
It's an easy process to envision, anyway -- if 2/3rds or something like 75% of the councilors vote to recall, it goes to a city-wide election. You're still giving democracy the power.
A) What makes you think that Ford would get voted out with such a system? Would he be allowed to run? What if he won?
B) You also realize that such a mechanism would have to be created by the province, right? A municipality does not have the authority to that kind of decision for itself.
Mammoth Jones
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Should have did that the first time instead of making a spectacle out of himself.
Fucking shame slobs like this enter "pop" culture as some sort of meme. Dude needs help.
Fucking shame slobs like this enter "pop" culture as some sort of meme. Dude needs help.
Good for him if he's actually sincerely getting help, but I seriously doubt it.
My guess is that it's a shtick to get himself some sympathy in preparation for running for election. Probably some advisor made him do it and now he's just gonna go through the motions and then come back trumpeting about how he's a changed man blah blah blah.
My guess is that it's a shtick to get himself some sympathy in preparation for running for election. Probably some advisor made him do it and now he's just gonna go through the motions and then come back trumpeting about how he's a changed man blah blah blah.
Besides the severe problems with public intoxication, hard drugs, and ties to violent criminal elements? What about alienating 90% of council so nothing gets done, multiple conflict of interest cases, showing up for work late constantly and then slacking and drinking on the job, regularly lying through his teeth contrary to evidence and then saying "I'm not perfect, maybe you are" when caught, and constantly whining about corruption but actively participating in cronyism?
If he did a good job as mayor, some of that may be excusable, but most of his boasted accomplishments are fabrications or other people's accomplishments. (He's a really good liar, so his base believes him without question.)
As I said, it shouldn't be a simple mechanism to activate, otherwise it would get used politically, but when you have a worldwide embarrassment, political gridlock, and all but two members of council (left, right, and centre) voting to strip him of his powers, there should be an option.
But FORD MORE YEARS, right?
Like his "come to Jesus moment" last year.
A) This isn't a system specifically to deal with Ford, this is a system that should be in place regardless. Would he be allowed to run? Of course. If the city votes the mayor out and then votes them back in, there's a serious democratic problem that goes beyond a recall.
B) And? If a mayor petitioned Wynne for a recall procedure, it would carry a lot more weight.
Keep in mind that this is a process that already exists in several municipalities.
Oppo
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Oh man. I missed this popping off last night.
The sudden flood of insane news! Willectro's return! the dizzying highs, the sickening lows, the creamy centre! I punched the subscribe button right through my monitor
also my wife called this move months ago. "all he needs to do is "get help" for a little while mid-campaign and his supporters will go all George Bush Born Again on him."
The sudden flood of insane news! Willectro's return! the dizzying highs, the sickening lows, the creamy centre! I punched the subscribe button right through my monitor
also my wife called this move months ago. "all he needs to do is "get help" for a little while mid-campaign and his supporters will go all George Bush Born Again on him."
gutter_trash
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Kathleen Wynne allowed this spectacle to go out of control and did nothing about it for short term electoral reasons.
Which is why I'm not going to vote for her
Then who would you vote for? All three provincial leaders are treating the matter equally out of fear of upsetting voters. Sorta like during the last election, when all three leaders promised to cancel the gas plant, and then piled onto the one who did after the election.
NDP most likely since Hudak and his party are turds. The problem for me is that sure the others probably would have done the same thing in her place, but Wynne is the one in power and the one who didn't do shit so I can't reward that.
She's been timid as fuck on all issues and seems WAY too comfortable in her appointed position. Dalton ran a skeevy operation at the end and she is deluded if she thinks she will be able to fully separate herself from her own party boss.
As for Ford, the fool can't even manage his liquor on a frikken Monday. Anyone who thinks he can manage a city is an ass at this point.
She's timid because she knows she has a tenuous hold on power and McGuinty's legacy weighing her down. But from what I've seen of her, especially during the ice storm, she's generally got her head on straight. Especially compared to Hudak, who is a lunatic, and Horwath, who appears to be an opportunist.
But man, does Ontario get stupid during election season.
I didn't even have a glass of wine last night. My mayoral chances are looking better every day.
FortuneFaded
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Rob Ford has needed help for a long time. The more important issue; how will Toronto be able to cope in his absence?
It's easy to understand why she has been timid but the results have been weak leadership when we need quite the opposite on issues such as transit and our mayor. Oh but she's fine with a law suit against Hudak because she's pure as snow even while elbow to elbow with the shamed out McGuinty. She has been wasting the provinces' time in a vain effort to burnish her image. It's sad we all have to wait while this backbencher tries to grow a set.
I agree the field is utterly pathetic. That's still no reason to let the Liberals or Wynne keep their seats.
CreeperBlocks
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Resign as in quit before you're fired.
Why is he so popular? Do people just find him funny? It's pretty embarrassing.
HammerOfThor
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Aside from his wacky antics, how is he as a mayor?
He was terrible as a mayor.
Easily the worst of all mayors since I've been alive.
Cried about the "gravy train" and runs into office to find out there is no gravy. Then cuts critical programs and bus routes to make it seem like he is doing something. Then cancels an LRT project costing the city hundreds of millions. Then there was misuse of staff and city funds for personal gain (his own business, his football team) Then he forced an LRT to go underground and that's going to cost us hundreds of millions to a billion. He's essentially made our transit future a disaster, yay. Ruined the one thing David Miller did right.
He keeps avoiding the gay parade. He makes a joke of everything he is involved in.
This list is about 5% of the wrongs he committed.. i just can't remember the rest.
1) worldwide embarrassment: why should international sentiment dictate Toronto municipal politics?
2) political gridlock: It's an unfortunate byproduct of the system we live in. Should Obama be impeached because of the gridlock in Congress?
3) lost support of council: you should not assume that those who voted to strip him of powers would be equally in favour of removing him from office.
It's really easy to look at Ford and conclude that he shouldn't hold any kind of political office, but your reasoning seems to conclude that is in part because you don't align with him ideologically. And that's a dangerous game to play.
AlphaTwo00
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As posted before as a direct quote from Rick Mercer (comedy political news host - think of him as like the Canadian version of Jon Stewart)
Rob Ford's recent "I will only go as high as 0.25% taxes to fund subway" gets praises. And the glaring flaw that his supporters ignores only comes in when you realize at that rate, it will take 176 years to build a 3 KM stretch of tunnels.explodet said:
Bobs Big Boy
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Enjoy Rob Ford but at some point, it's a cry for help.
That Rick Mercer quote is perfect for explaining the situation to non-Torontonians. Its been tough to explain the city politics over here (UK) to those without a connection to the city.
And I hope for his and his family's sake that he actually does get some help, but having addict friends its a long, long road. I feel sometimes that sad fact that he's a messed up addict gets a little overlooked with all the clown antics.
And I hope for his and his family's sake that he actually does get some help, but having addict friends its a long, long road. I feel sometimes that sad fact that he's a messed up addict gets a little overlooked with all the clown antics.
Reputation. Maybe you don't care if your dad passes out drunk in the gutter on a weekly basis, but the rest of us would be deeply ashamed at being the butt of every joke in the neighbourhood.
If both the Democrats and Republicans rebelled against him, for a valid reason (like doing crack in the Oval Office, or behaving like Nixon), then perhaps yes.
Hell, they tried to boot Clinton out of office for getting a BJ, which isn't even illegal.
Sure, some would abstain, but as long as it's a high enough bar like 80% it should be doable.
You only took part of my reasoning, and you think he should stay in office because you like him.
Give me a good reason he should stay, aside from "status quo".
The long-standing problem with Ontario politics is you're either gonna end up with a weak leader or a demagogue. There's no in-between.
(I thought McGuinty was a weenie from day one, honestly.)
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