Six new pages were released earlier today: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36902
I can just HEAR Lyte Edge's excitement.
I can just HEAR Lyte Edge's excitement.
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Rob Liefeld Teen Titans preview. Bring your barf bags before entering!
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First, you've got Gail Simone, who is a horrible writer that recycles the same characatures over and over again. However, she has a rabid fanbase.
Then, you've got Rob Liefeld. He's Rob Liefeld. Somehow he sells shitloads of comics.
Combine the two, and you've got a cesspool of sheer poor quality that will sell like hotcakes.
Then, you've got Rob Liefeld. He's Rob Liefeld. Somehow he sells shitloads of comics.
Combine the two, and you've got a cesspool of sheer poor quality that will sell like hotcakes.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Go ROB GO!
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Matlock said:
Agent X ruled!
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Matlock said:
I'm glad you agree.
This article explains quite a bit: http://www.ninthart.com/display.php?article=929Shouta said:
But basically, fans got bored of his style, and he pissed off a few too many people in the industry.
Shouta said:
Ah, he was hyped as the next best thing for comic artists, but never really got basic stuff like proportion and anatomy correctly. People hated his attempts to rework the Avengers and Captain America, and disliked the notion that Image Comics (which Liefeld helped co-found) was mostly style over substance.
For classic Liefeld (meaning: poor) artwork, I recommend reading his New Mutants issues. He created this hero Cable with this TREMENDOUSLY huge upper body and enormous shoulder pads with these teeny, tiny ankles.
Or his Captain America was also particularly goofy. The man's chest was so disproportionate to his head and the rest of the body as to be ridiculous.
(Does anyone have that picture of Captain America? Please!)
WhippinSean
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Back then in 96, even when I first saw that, I was like wtf? But I guess it is/was his style... anyways I fell in love with it after.
It looks weird when you think about it, but when you just imagine it's Captain America... I guess it could work...
BobbyRobby
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I'm glad I don't buy Teen Titans. That looks god-awful.
Shouta
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nomoment said:
I'll take a gander at that article later. Thanks.
Disco Stu said:
Ah, the combination of super hype and pissing people off. No wonder.
I always kind of liked Liefield's style. It's hyperstylized and, at the very least, appealing to the eye to look at. It's nowhere near realistic but it was pretty obvious that it was never meant to be. His proportions are whack though. I remember seeing that Cap America image for the first time and scratching my head at it. If he had got the proportions right, it would've been a pretty neat image.
Rlan said:
Yeah, I never was a fan of Cyborg's design in the comics. When the Teen Titans show popped up, I was really surprised since he had the best redesign of them all and was a billion times better than his comic incarnation from an asthetic standpoint.
CabbageRed
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Good heavens. Teen Robin is coming straight at me with his pizzazz!
Funky Papa
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I love that interview where he called himself "artistically dislexic", gotta find a link...
Edit: What the fuck man?!
Edit: What the fuck man?!
Ignatz Mouse
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I saw this thread anf felt little sick-- they I followed the link and saw it was a two-issue stint. I can weather that.
Why hate on Rob? is lack of tlent coupled with massive overexposure and public ego-stroking , not to mention the (for a while) hordes of immitators. Thanks god that's over.
Why hate on Rob? is lack of tlent coupled with massive overexposure and public ego-stroking , not to mention the (for a while) hordes of immitators. Thanks god that's over.
nomoment said:Six new pages were released earlier today: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36902
I can just HEAR Lyte Edge's excitement.
Jesus Robin looks like friggin Shatterstar... ugh.
Eh, it's not that bad.
And Rob headed Awesome Comics, which put out some great Alan Moore-scribed stuff with art by Chris Sprouse and Steve Skroce, Jeff Matsuda's Kaboom, and gave Ed McGuinness and Keron Grant their starts. So he deserves a little credit for that.
And Rob headed Awesome Comics, which put out some great Alan Moore-scribed stuff with art by Chris Sprouse and Steve Skroce, Jeff Matsuda's Kaboom, and gave Ed McGuinness and Keron Grant their starts. So he deserves a little credit for that.
SonicMegaDrive
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Ugh. Liefeld has problems drawing adults.
Now you're going to ask him to draw adolescents?
Now you're going to ask him to draw adolescents?
Outcast2004
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My god, all these years and his artwork is still shit. His claim to fame is that he was untrained.... it shows.
Look, I'm an untrained artist myself, but I have gone and trained myself in anatomy and proper drawing techniques to do a really good human form. If you can't manage the human form, then what hope do you have to draw anything else?
Like others have mentioned, his complete lack of a sense of anatomy and his blatant ripoff of panel layout should be enough to get universal hate. This shows his massive weaness for inability to tell a story.
For fucks sake he doesn't even change the postioning of the characters in the panel... just puts his lame characters faces on them and BOOM! One hack aritst churns out a nother plagerized panel.
Liefeld should just consider himself extremely lucky his charade lasted as long as it did.
Look, I'm an untrained artist myself, but I have gone and trained myself in anatomy and proper drawing techniques to do a really good human form. If you can't manage the human form, then what hope do you have to draw anything else?
Like others have mentioned, his complete lack of a sense of anatomy and his blatant ripoff of panel layout should be enough to get universal hate. This shows his massive weaness for inability to tell a story.
For fucks sake he doesn't even change the postioning of the characters in the panel... just puts his lame characters faces on them and BOOM! One hack aritst churns out a nother plagerized panel.
Liefeld should just consider himself extremely lucky his charade lasted as long as it did.
mightynine
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His "Teen" Titans all look to be 30+ years old.
Ignatz Mouse
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I know at least the Ronin one is real. I suspect they all are.
Sapiens
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I think he's a hack, but everyone that complains that he doesnt know proportion should understand that he might actually be trying to adhere to his own signature style, which might bend those rules.
GASP.
Like Mannerist artists who came after the perfecting Renaissance group, Liefeld probably likes to bend the rules of proportion and placement. It really should not be a real complaint against his skill.
That being said, his art is absolutely ugly. You could proportion it correctly, and it would STILL be shit.
GASP.
Like Mannerist artists who came after the perfecting Renaissance group, Liefeld probably likes to bend the rules of proportion and placement. It really should not be a real complaint against his skill.
That being said, his art is absolutely ugly. You could proportion it correctly, and it would STILL be shit.
Ignatz Mouse
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Claus said:Why is the expression on all their faces the same?
More importantly, did they all have their noses done by Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon?
Ignatz Mouse
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Sapienshomo said:
I wouldn't mind so much if it were consistent. Look at Anime, or Darwin Cook, or any manner of other artists who distort anatomy to good effect. The Steranko Cap is another good example. They're generally consistent about it. Liefield seems like he is just being sloppy.
Sapiens
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Yes, but consistancy is predicatability. I like to be surprised. It's even better when the surprises are aweful.
I get where you are coming from. I just sick of people whining about a particular piece of art pointing out all of the anatomically incorrect proportions. It's obvious to the viewer and the artist what is going on.
Liefeld does know of anatomy, but he decides to ignore it to hilarious effect.
It's not about his skill though. he could be trained in art schools for 10 years, and I guarantee that his style would still be unnapealing to me.
I get where you are coming from. I just sick of people whining about a particular piece of art pointing out all of the anatomically incorrect proportions. It's obvious to the viewer and the artist what is going on.
Liefeld does know of anatomy, but he decides to ignore it to hilarious effect.
It's not about his skill though. he could be trained in art schools for 10 years, and I guarantee that his style would still be unnapealing to me.
Ignatz Mouse
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Sapienshomo said:
I don't think Liefield's creative anaotomy is a choice, but the result of his lack of skill. Period.
Outcast2004
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Ignatz Mouse said:
BINGO!
You know, I would be inclined to think so too, but think about how many hundreds of pages of comics he's drawn since the early 90's. There's no way he couldn't have gotten better over time if he wanted to. I really think he's okay with the style and anatomy he's been using and has made a conscious effort not to change it.Ignatz Mouse said:
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The biggest thing about the Liefield art to me, is that it appears he's "self trained" in the bad ways; ways that fan-artists train themselves by copying the art of others and tracing it to "get there faster". It appears Liefield has great trouble mapping out poses, perspective, and expression from scratch. Essentially, he just draws the rote objects he's learned how to draw over and over again. And uh... looks for inspiration... let us say... when he needs to draw something different.
(All artists do this to some degree. The honest comic artist will admit to the stack of body-building magazines he's got for pose reference on his super-heroes to examine how anatomy distorts. But there's still a difference I think, between most and how Liefield appears to operate.)
(All artists do this to some degree. The honest comic artist will admit to the stack of body-building magazines he's got for pose reference on his super-heroes to examine how anatomy distorts. But there's still a difference I think, between most and how Liefield appears to operate.)
Spike Spiegel
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I like how these TEEN Titans sport the kind of muscular builds many ADULT superheroes would kill to have. :lol
Go Go Ackman!
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People still read american comics? That's fucked up
Ignatz Mouse
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Go Go Ackman! said:
?Troll?
Jonnyboy117
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Ronin is the greatest comic of all time.
Class dismissed.
DarienA said:
Oh believe me there are even more blatant ripoffs than those. I don't know if all the links would show even if you use it, but if you use waybackmachine.org to visit www.genesiscomics.com around 99, you'll see tons more. THe sad thing is, Fabio Laguna did two fill-in issues of Wolverine where he stole every single panel and page layout from previous issues of X-Men and Wildcats Jim Lee did.
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