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[Sapiens]

The only problem I have with Williams in the role is that is he way to ****ing fat.

He would need to lose the weight

He tends to get carried away with himself, though, and Nolan would need to direct him as strictly as possible - making sure to tone down his manerisms and whatnot.

As well as losing the weight, they would absolutely have to shave the ****er down.

If this is what happens - if the cast williams (which they wont) - I will cope with it

Not the end of the world.

 

[etiolate]

Robin Williams could pull off the character, but I think he is too old for the timeline. Plus, a bit round for the look of the Joker.

edit: Wow, reading this thread it seems most of GAF has only seen Mork & Mindy.

# Insomnia (2002/I) .... Walter Finch
# Death to Smoochy (2002) .... 'Rainbow' Randolph Smiley
... aka Tötet Smoochy (Germany)
# One Hour Photo (2002) .... Sy Parrish
# Dead Poets Society (1989) .... John Keating
# Moscow on the Hudson (1984) .... Vladimir Ivanoff
# The Survivors (1983) .... Donald Quinelle
# The World According to Garp (1982) .... T. S. Garp

That list ranges from deranged to dramatic. His character in Death to Smoochy is pretty Joker-ish. And quite honestly, Insomnia is weaker than Smoochy or One Hour Photo, he was really disturbing in One Hour Photo.

 

[master_shake_05]

It's hard for me to imagine a graying fat man as a maniacal crime kingpin at the starting point of his career :/

I've always imagined that the new Joker should be around the same age as the new Batman.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Robin Williams would be great for the character...about 20 years ago. He's just too old now, it wouldn't really fit. I know him and Nolan did Insomnia and that kind of makes them more familiar with each other, but I hope Nolan realizes that Robin probably isn't the kind of Joker he should be looking for.

 

[master_shake_05]

In all honesty, it's like making Robin old enough to be Bruce's father :lol

 

[Spectral Glider]

Robin Williams could pull off the character, but I think he is too old for the timeline. Plus, a bit round for the look of the Joker.

edit: Wow, reading this thread it seems most of GAF has only seen Mork & Mindy.

# Insomnia (2002/I) .... Walter Finch
# Death to Smoochy (2002) .... 'Rainbow' Randolph Smiley
... aka Tötet Smoochy (Germany)
# One Hour Photo (2002) .... Sy Parrish
# Dead Poets Society (1989) .... John Keating
# Moscow on the Hudson (1984) .... Vladimir Ivanoff
# The Survivors (1983) .... Donald Quinelle
# The World According to Garp (1982) .... T. S. Garp

That list ranges from deranged to dramatic. His character in Death to Smoochy is pretty Joker-ish. And quite honestly, Insomnia is weaker than Smoochy or One Hour Photo, he was really disturbing in One Hour Photo.

Seriously, and Good Will Hunting too.

 

[karasu]

I'm always shocked at how seriously people take this stuff. I'm not saying that Williams would be either right or wrong for the part , but about half of Batman's villians are comedians! There's nothing complex about pulling them off. The Joker is a loud/goofy guy in a loud/goofy purple suit. It's not the toughest role in the world. I have no idea why it's insinuated that Batman's world has to be reformated to fit into Nolan's world.

 

[Tact]

Adam "seth" Brody

 

[master_shake_05]

I'm always shocked at how seriously people take this stuff. I'm not saying that Williams would be either right or wrong for the part , but about half of Batman's villians are comedians! There's nothing complex about pulling them off. The Joker is a loud/goofy guy in a loud/goofy purple suit. It's not the toughest role in the world. I have no idea why it's insinuated that Batman's world has to be reformated to fit into Nolan's world.

A demented, tragic, psychopathic killer with a goofy perosona, actually. And despite what you may think, playing such a character isn't a ****ing breeze.

 

[bjork]

I'm always shocked at how seriously people take this stuff. I'm not saying that Williams would be either right or wrong for the part , but about half of Batman's villians are comedians! There's nothing complex about pulling them off. The Joker is a loud/goofy guy in a loud/goofy purple suit. It's not the toughest role in the world. I have no idea why it's insinuated that Batman's world has to be reformated to fit into Nolan's world.

Have you ever read a Batman comic?

 

[karasu]

Have you ever read a Batman comic?

I read them every month, and I've seen very episode of BTAS, etc etc. There's nothing complex about the joker, he has one note.

A demented, tragic, psychopathic killer with a goofy perosona, actually. And despite what you may think, playing such a character isn't a ****ing breeze.

Three of those adjectives you used to describe the character are essentially the same exact thing.

 

[Dan]

The Joker is a loud/goofy guy in a loud/goofy purple suit.

This is so far from the truth.

 

[master_shake_05]

I read them every month, and I've seen very episode of BTAS, etc etc. There's nothing complex about the joker, he has one note.

Three of those adjectives you used to describe the character are essentially the same exact thing.

Wow, you must really have poor comprehension skills if that's the case. The Joker is far from a one-note character, and my adjectives each have different meanings to describe him. I see no point to your argument.

 

[bjork]

I read them every month, and I've seen very episode of BTAS, etc etc. There's nothing complex about the joker, he has one note.

Do you read them or just look at the pictures? It sounds like you're basing your opinion of what Joker's character is on Cesar Romero's Joker... which is maybe 5% accurate.

 

[master_shake_05]

Superman Returns damage control is spreading..... :/

 

[effzee]

no love for depp as the joker?

 

[karasu]

Are you people kidding me? You're actually telling me that the Joker isn't loud(Hamill's version) and goofy(EVERY version)?!? The only aspect of his character that I forgot to mention is that he kills. How original.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i mentioned this the last time there was a joker/batman begins 2 thread, i might be in the minority but i think Jim Carrey has the chops to pull it off, especially with a good makeup job.

though i don't know if he'd fit with the darker, more realistic style Nolan seems to go for.

 

[bjork]

Are you people kidding me? You're actually telling me that the Joker isn't loud(Hamill's version) and goofy(EVERY version)?!? The only aspect of his character that I forgot to mention is that he kills. How original.

He was neither loud nor goofy in Dark Knight Returns. Or about 75 other arcs...

 

[master_shake_05]

Karasu needs to get his ass kicked by Alan Moore's The Killing Joke

 

[G-Fex]

Seriously overrated character, come on my favorite character the riddler needs to be redeemed in this series, or hey bring out someone like killer croc for all I care.

 

[karasu]

He was neither loud nor goofy in Dark Knight Returns. Or about 75 other arcs...

He is innately goofy, and the DKR is a piece of shit.

The Killing Joke rules.

 

[master_shake_05]

The Killing Joke rules.

And yet you still think the Joker's a one dimensional character? You really do have crappy comprehension skills :/

 

[imastalker co.]

Wendo, please jokerize bill baxton as he's making some good face.

 

[The Main Event]

i mentioned this the last time there was a joker/batman begins 2 thread, i might be in the minority but i think Jim Carrey has the chops to pull it off, especially with a good makeup job.

though i don't know if he'd fit with the darker, more realistic style Nolan seems to go for.

No way they would use him for another Batman film after the abysmal Batman Forever.

I personally can't seem to find any top names that would fit the role of the Joker (I would trust Robin Williams for it though), but I would love to have someone ressemble this particular one from the fan-film made Batman Dead End (if it hasn't been mentioned already):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XEaHA-ZBSk&search=batman%20dead%20end

 

[Forgotten_Taco]

No way they would use him for another Batman film after the abysmal Batman Forever.

I personally can't seem to find any top names that would fit the role of the Joker (I would trust Robin Williams for it though), but I would love to have someone ressemble this particular one from the fan-film made Batman Dead End (if it hasn't been mentioned already):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XEaHA-ZBSk&search=batman%20dead%20end

You want Boner to play the joker?

 

[bjork]

DKR is a piece of shit.

What the ****? Are you a joke character?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Wendo, please jokerize bill baxton as he's making some good face.

the guy from Independence Day?

 

[karasu]

What the ****? Are you a joke character?

I'm a joke character just because my opinion isn't the majority opinion? No. That book reads like fan fiction. Most of the characters were unrecognizable and changed to fit Miller's wonky view of the world. Plus it introduced things about these characters that I detest.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm a joke character just because my opinion isn't the majority opinion? No. That book reads like fan fiction. Most of the characters were unrecognizable and changed to fit Miller's wonky view of the world. Plus it introduced things about these characters that I detest.

this thread has nothing to do with any of that. Leave. NOW.

 

[bjork]

I'm a joke character just because my opinion isn't the majority opinion? No. That book reads like fan fiction. Most of the characters were unrecognizable and changed to fit Miller's wonky view of the world. Plus it introduced things about these characters that I detest.

You are aware that it's set at a point in the timeline where people have aged and changed with age accordingly, right?

 

[karasu]

You are aware that it's set at a point in the timeline where people have aged and changed with age accordingly, right?

I recognize it's set at a different point in time. I don't recognize that they've changed accordingly to any natural line of logic. They became Frank Miller's fantasies, nothing more. He makes similar changes to damn near anything he's involved with.

 

[J2 Cool]

It's so hard to convince people of this. The Joker should start off as a homicidal maniac, not somebody who's already near the top of a gang. He's the character that gets under Batman's skin the most. He's Batman's ultimate proof that he won't kill anyone.

Hm.. true, but now that I think about it, it could come off as fluff considering what happened at the end of Begins.

damn guys... the more I think about it, the more I think that Robin Williams could be ****ing awesome in this role. Honestly... it'd be different than what most are used to, but I thikn that no matter what Joker is going to be different. And if you want just a sleazy murderer/rapist, Williams would rule. Just imagine him cackling and yelling down an alley: "What's the matter, Batsy? Can't take a joke?! HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!" then breaking down and hearing him say shit like, "I'm your greatest weakness, you masked freak! You can't kill me! *explosion* *Joker's cackle again*"

I dunno. I think that'd be so awesome.

No. Not like that. :lol Check out the Batman short "Batman: Dead End" if you want that type of Joker. No upfront "batsy" or flamboyant Jokerisms please. Not in this world. Let them rather slip through from time to time subtly.

I'm always shocked at how seriously people take this stuff. I'm not saying that Williams would be either right or wrong for the part , but about half of Batman's villians are comedians! There's nothing complex about pulling them off. The Joker is a loud/goofy guy in a loud/goofy purple suit. It's not the toughest role in the world. I have no idea why it's insinuated that Batman's world has to be reformated to fit into Nolan's world.

It's not "Nolan's world" per se, but a different take on the character. Batman's had many different takes, as has The Joker. Look at The Killing Joker compared to Dark Knight Returns compared to the Animated Series. There all very different. If you wanted to create a subpar Batman film you could choose your dumbed down description but The Joker's a very tragic figure, a seriously sick lunatic, and a theatric. Maybe him just a laughing goof in purple would be disrespect to his fans.

He is innately goofy, and the DKR is a piece of shit.

opinion invalid!

 

[karasu]

It's not "Nolan's world" per se, but a different take on the character. Batman's had many different takes, as has The Joker. Look at The Killing Joker compared to Dark Knight Returns compared to the Animated Series. There all very different. If you wanted to create a subpar Batman film you could choose your dumbed down description but The Joker's a very tragic figure, a seriously sick lunatic, and a theatric. Maybe him just a laughing goof in purple would be disrespect to his fans.

I'm still waiting to see him portrayed as more than that. If The Joker is tragic it's in the same way that all psychopaths are, it's nothing unique. He's always been either a laughing goof with overly elaborate schemes, or a laughing goof with overly elaborate schemes that kill. Sure, The Killing Joke showed his shallow origins, but that only showed how he became the laughing goof in the purple suit. It didn't even give him any real motivations, other than being a plain and simple wacko. The only difference between that Joker and the BTAS joker is that the latter didn't kill. The lame jokes were still there, the cackling was there, and that damned purple suit that people are so hung up on was there.

 

[bjork]

DKR joker had a white suit, btw. Your theory is now full of holes.

 

[karasu]

Curses. Foiled again.

 

[soundwave05]

"The Killing Joke" for me is the definitive Joker story/history.

I don't think you could top that. Easily one of the best comic books of the modern era.