vaibhavpisal
Member
Those are Nintendo games upscaled to those resolutions.
If you want to play latest AAA titles at 4k, just the GPU weighs 3 times this device.
If you want to play latest AAA titles at 4k, just the GPU weighs 3 times this device.
Kvally
Member
There is? You mean like a laptop?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Plus the Deck is weaker.Gabe touched on this years ago. Valve was willing to take the hit.
Gabe Newell says Steam Deck's aggressive pricing "painful" but "critical"
Steam Deck is a bargain for PC gaming but "painful" for Valve.www.nme.com
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
$1,000 for the Xbox Ally X with a charger dock?! That's lower than we expected? Geez guys......
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, it is really just a setting from what I understand. Clocks and memory bandwidth are lower in handheld mode and higher in the dock due to increased power. Really isn't about the dock though. That's my understanding anyway.
The GPU doesn't change when docked. It just has more power. So it could probably output at higher resolutions without the dock, but it would require more juice from the battery and wouldn't last long. Switch controls all of this though and only toggles the higher resolutions when docked. Makes sense considering the built in display can't go higher than 1080p anyway.
Other handhelds have controls available to change the wattage and resolution whenever they want whether docked or not. I can plug my Legon Go S undocked into my TV at play at higher resolutions but again, it won't last very long.
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Mr Moose
Member
hououinkyouma00
Member
Is it even a HDMI out dock? It just says charger stand. Maybe I'm missing where somebody showed it in a video or something.
Well one of these is less powerful then a Z1E and supposedly close to a Steam Deck IIRC. Only the more expensive one has the Z2E
Kacho
Gold Member
Any details on the OS experience?
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
When put up against any PC handheld with comparable specs? Yeah, 100%.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Kacho
Gold Member
How much weaker than the Xbox Ally X do you think? We talking Series S to Series X difference? Wii to Wii U? Dragon Ball Z power levels would also suffice.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I have no idea how much, just that it is.
balls of snow
Member
Looking forward to the head to head between this and the Legion Go S steamos version. In the market of upgrading if the price is right.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Completely passed over that. I was simply looking at the official spec sheet where it just stated charger stand.The link in the OP leads to a best buy page for the product.
$100 is rough.
High Prophet of Regret
Member
Yeah this thing is not for me 
vaibhavpisal
Member
Any type C dock with PD and hdmi out works. They cost like, $20 on Amazon.
It has 2 type C ports so can also use a type C to display port cable instead. And use a controller or wireless KB/M directly.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
The biggest issue is that Z2E is like 10% better in games (give or take) vs Z1E. You can grab OG ROG Ally off eBay (orDecent price. The z2 extreme benchmarks ive seen made my penis soft tho. I want that giant Lenovo one if anything. Ill wait forTopher impressions before he returns it to best buy.
Topher
's BestBuy return) for under $400. Drop a 1Tb drive and upgraded battery for another $150ish and you got roughly equivalent device for ~$500-550. As a bonus, install Bazzite or SteamOS on top.
The Z2E Ally has the same 7" screen which just seems weird to me.
If anything the most interesting device is MSI Claw Intel version as with updated drivers it's normally faster vs Z2E devices. But it's still $900+ so kind of no point once again.
The video is just a sneak peek at the features confirmed by MS. He's postponing a new video tomorrow or the day after when he can get more answers from MS and has thoroughly tested ROG Xbox Ally....
I think that to have a clear idea we will have to wait for more in-depth analysis and comparisons in DF or other sites. A lot of people is playing on Gamescom and some impressions should come soon.
Gambit2483
Member
So the reason that the Steam deck dock can't output to 4k is because it's simply not powerful enough? If I'm understanding correctly.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
In the main video in the first Ally X part, they said the tweaks get them as much as 2GB memory back.
Not nothing to scoff at. Will be interesting to see real world comparisons.
Gambit2483
Member
I got you, Steam Deck was just too weak to output 4k image display but this $900 ROG Ally should be able to use the $100 dock to output at 4K.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
StereoVsn
Gold Member
It's a mobile handheld device. Unfortunately between higher chip costs (thx TSMC), higher general production costs (thx inflation) and tariffs, all the Z2E devices are $$$.
Personally I just don't think it's worth it considering very minimal performance upgrades.
Gambit2483
Member
Ok so only for 2d and smaller indie type games? It looks like he tried to do it native for a couple of 3d games but it ran like sludge. Got it.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
???? It can for every game.
Gambit2483
Member
Yea I saw he tried running it native resolution on a couple 3d games and they became slideshow. I guess I was implying that it can't run non indies @ 4k native and actually run decently...but good to know it can still technically do it.
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MisterXDTV
Member
They don't care about "console" games, they are pivoting to PC....
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StreetsofBeige
Member
So the prices will be about $750 CDN and $1,250 CDN. Yikes.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Frame rate is another story. Depends on the game demand.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But how many people are asking for this?
Cyberpunkd
Member
Let me introduce you to a wonderful world of emulation.
metareferential
Member
Which Deck? These have newer/different components (APU, higher res screen, higher refresh, etc.).
The Ally is similarly price to a Steam Deck. The Ally X is more expensive, but it has different specs.
Here: https://www.pcmag.com/comparisons/asus-rog-ally-vs-valve-steam-deck-which-gaming-handheld-is-better#
EDIT: and Valve subsidizes the Deck if I remember correctly.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Not many at all. As with all of Microsoft's other hardware, apparently.
MisterXDTV
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reinking
Gold Member
This is going to be weak too for a good 4K experience. One of my few reservations about preordering is the lack of an OCulink port to use when docked.
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MisterXDTV
Member
For an Xbox console player, this thing is basically a PS Portal at 5 times the price....
LOL
LOL
SamusXAran89
Neo Member
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Phil Spencer and the Xbox family for allowing me to be part of the community and play the games. I would like to take a bow and thank Mr. Phil Spencer once again.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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graywolf323
Member
what are those? I didn't think the Z2 Extreme was in many devices yet
demigod
Member
And you don't think Sony didn't subsidize the PS5? How are you going to say the ps5 pro is worse value when the Ally X are even worse value compared to the Deck?
Kenshin775
Member
A decent budget windows PC is like $300-$350. Just attach a Keyboard/Mouse and monitor to this thing and you are good to go. Switch 2 + budget PC is about $750. Lower spec Xbox Ally expected to be around $550. Good value. I think a laptop(with Xbox UI) is the ultimate form for both Xbox console like gaming and productivity work.
metareferential
Member
So you were actually offended by the pro comment?
The pro is bad value compared to the base ps5. Especially so since it's digital only, and there are no games pushing the visual bar even on the base console. So the upgrades are minimal (though it's getting better).
The base ps5 digital price was 399. The pro launched at 699.
Ps4 and ps4pro had a 100 price difference. And there was total feature parity.
And the main point still stands: these Ally are not consoles, and are price correctly for what they are.
MisterXDTV
Member
For playing Xbox CONSOLE games IT IS a streaming solution
It doesn't NATIVELY run Xbox console games from any generation
LOL