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[Steve Holt]

Leave my boy Dench alone you muhfuhs.

Can ya tell him to grow up, stop insulting others and then saying he's the victim.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Asus gotta make their money, they don't have a store to make the real money with a cut from every game sale.

All the waits to be seen is if the changes to Windows work well enough, and then Microsoft made their own actual hardware where they take the loss Valve was willing to.

Otherwise, the Steam Deck and the penguin will just keep on winning...which I'm fine with.

Anyone with half a brain on here said the OEM model would be expensive but Xbox fanboys denied everything.

The next-gen OEM Xbox "consoles" will be just the same, just as they are with PC, just as they were with 3DO.

Niche devices with a tiny market, that's the future of "Xbox" hardware.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Anyone with half a brain on here said the OEM model would be expensive but Xbox fanboys denied everything.

The next-gen OEM Xbox "consoles" will be just the same, just as they are with PC, just as they were with 3DO.

Niche devices with a small market.

There will be a traditional console

 

[RetroGamingUK]

There will be a traditional console

In that case who would buy the OEM models? Unless Microsoft make models that are priced the same as the expensive OEM ones.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

In that case who would buy the OEM models? Unless Microsoft make models that are priced the same as the expensive OEM ones.

I don't know the route they are taking with these OEM models if they are even a thing

I just know people keep saying "its just a pc" and thats simply not true with the next gen Xbox

 

[Klayzer]

There will be a traditional console

I believe so as well. Microsoft has base of 35-50 million Xbox console buyers, that's billions of dollars just to give up on. They are going to find a way to satisfy them, imo.

 

[gerth666]

I don't know the route they are taking with these OEM models if they are even a thing

I just know people keep saying "its just a pc" and thats simply not true with the next gen Xbox

I always figured they are going to unify the console with windows, i.e same user interface same dev tools etc
You buy one version of the game across different devices.
Is that not true?
Is it going to be a separate system to the PC?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

I believe so as well. Microsoft has base of 35-50 million Xbox console buyers, that's billions of dollars just to give up on. They are going to find a way to satisfy them, imo.

About that…

Xbox Reportedly “Flatlining” in Europe, Publishers Question Support, More PS5 Ports Coming

Microsoft has vowed to continue on with Xbox hardware, but that promise may run into some harsh business realities.

wccftech.com

New Estimates Have PS5 Beating Xbox Over 5-To-1 In Sales For November

Microsoft is downplaying the need to own an Xbox in the wake of several years focused on Game Pass and the new “everything is an Xbox campaign,”

www.forbes.com

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I always figured they are going to unify the console with windows, i.e same user interface same dev tools etc
You buy one version of the game across different devices.
Is that not true?
Is it going to be a separate system to the PC?

I don't know how future purchases will work in that regards honestly

But yes its a separate system, its a console

 

[Klayzer]

About that…

Xbox Reportedly “Flatlining” in Europe, Publishers Question Support, More PS5 Ports Coming

Microsoft has vowed to continue on with Xbox hardware, but that promise may run into some harsh business realities.

wccftech.com

New Estimates Have PS5 Beating Xbox Over 5-To-1 In Sales For November

Microsoft is downplaying the need to own an Xbox in the wake of several years focused on Game Pass and the new “everything is an Xbox campaign,”

www.forbes.com

Yeah, it's trending in the wrong direction, no doubt. Positive feedback and good launch of games on the next box, could possibly swing the direction back into better results.

I wish they would get on, with a new administration though. All of the senior management at Xbox, should have been fired long ago. How long will Microsoft, continue to let their incompetence, blow through billions of dollars.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Yeah, it's trending in the wrong direction, no doubt. Positive feedback and good launch of games on the next box, could possibly swing the direction back into better results.

Good launch of games?

From where exactly? They're completely done with exclusives.

 

[gerth666]

I don't know how future purchases will work in that regards honestly

But yes its a separate system, its a console

I feel the rumours of them unifying the Xbox platform with windows sounded really interesting, and was a clever way to differentiate between them and playstation.
I'm a bit disappointed that they're just trying a normal console again

 

[Klayzer]

Good launch of games?

From where exactly? They're completely done with exclusives.

They don't have be exclusives. Just have great games available at launch. We can disagree, it's cool.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Jez corden defending the price on twitter.

 

[Steve Holt]

I don't know how future purchases will work in that regards honestly

But yes its a separate system, its a console

So you're saying we have at least another generation of..

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't know how future purchases will work in that regards honestly

But yes its a separate system, its a console

This would be an odd move to me. Considering what they are saying now publicly with the Xbox Ally X and play anywhere.

 

[Fess]

I think this will all depend on marketing. Imagine someone with Xbox game library (mostly digital). Vast majority of 3rd party games aren't "Play Anywhere" so folks would need to rebuy them.

That said, vast majority of folks shopping in the very niche market for $900-1000 handheld devices are aware of the capabilities.

True, but it is often said that Xbox gamers don't buy games anyway, they only use GAF's favorite rental service.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This would be an odd move to me. Considering what they are saying now publicly with the Xbox Ally X and play anywhere.

It should play any PA titles as its a handheld PC

 

[RetroGamingUK]

So you're saying we have at least another generation of..

War? More like genocide

 

[Durin]

Anyone with half a brain on here said the OEM model would be expensive but Xbox fanboys denied everything.

The next-gen OEM Xbox "consoles" will be just the same, just as they are with PC, just as they were with 3DO.

Niche devices with a tiny market, that's the future of "Xbox" hardware.

I would agree, though I think Microsoft will like PC OEMs have "consoles" or handhelds that target lower price points as well, especially given that games will be made for Nintendo's handheld that will be running an older chipset.

Microsoft has to actually be able to sell windows though, because barring Nvidia drivers we're hitting a point where games on Linux even with a translation layer can exceed the performance of the OS they were supposed to run on.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

War? More like genocide

Oh its most likely going to fail worse than the Series in terms of sales figures

But its coming none the less

 

[Sebastian1295]

I came back to this thread after being gone awhile and i see that a war has started.

 

[mckmas8808]

Oh its most likely going to fail worse than the Series in terms of sales figures

But its coming none the less

I for the life of me don't understand why they are doing that. It goes against their latest messaging over the last 12 months. And how will it live up to their "biggest generational leap ever" promise?

 

[Topher]

I for the life of me don't understand why they are doing that. It goes against their latest messaging over the last 12 months. And how will it live up to their "biggest generational leap ever" promise?

Because they don't want to subsidize a failing platform anymore. All of their messaging is bullshit. It's just smoke and mirrors. That generational leap will be some AI nonsense because that fits with the rest of their corporate PR crap.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I for the life of me don't understand why they are doing that. It goes against their latest messaging over the last 12 months. And how will it live up to their "biggest generational leap ever" promise?

"largest technical leap ever" and with how MS is with their PR speak that could just mean some form of AI in their console for the first time ever

 

[mayham2199]

I for the life of me don't understand why they are doing that. It goes against their latest messaging over the last 12 months. And how will it live up to their "biggest generational leap ever" promise?

Because 20-25 million subs is still a lot of money. They don't want to just drop that revenue immediately.

 

[laynelane]

I believe so as well. Microsoft has base of 35-50 million Xbox console buyers, that's billions of dollars just to give up on. They are going to find a way to satisfy them, imo.

I think Game Pass comes into this too. From what I understand, the majority of the revenue for the service is from subscribers on console. If that suddenly disappeared or was drastically reduced (due not having a next gen console), the recurring revenue loss would be massive.

 

[Steve Holt]

I came back to this thread after being gone awhile and i see that a war has started.

It's all GHG's fault - that big silly bully.

He showed some receipts to someone who mentality couldn't cope and voila.

 

[mckmas8808]

"largest technical leap ever" and with how MS is with their PR speak that could just mean some form of AI in their console for the first time ever

UGH!!! That is technically true.

Because 20-25 million subs is still a lot of money. They don't want to just drop that revenue immediately.

So it's just to hold the GP subs. I guess that makes sense. Just make me wonder if this next-gen Xbox console will be for the whales. Because what else can they truly offer if their next-gen games are going on all consoles and PC, plus their remakes of their old titles are also available on all consoles (or the PS5 at a minimum)? Just GamePass.......which is nice, but yeah probably maxes out at 25 million users on console.

 

[Viruz]

I came back to this thread after being gone awhile and i see that a war has started.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I've been playing Xbox on my OLED Steam Deck ROG Xbox Ally X for years now. Beat Hellblade 1 and 2 on it. MCC installed. GamePass installed.

 

[Meave]

If this does what they say it will by playing all my Xbox titles as well as my Steam collection, I'm in.

 

[jm89]

it will by playing all my Xbox titles

 

[Topher]

If this does what they say it will by playing all my Xbox titles as well as my Steam collection, I'm in.

They never said that though and it won't, I'm afraid

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They never said that though and it won't, I'm afraid

The console will

 

[Topher]

The console will

Isn't it crazy how we have parse out every post to find out what "Xbox" everyone is talking about?

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

Isn't it crazy how we have parse out every post to find out what "Xbox" everyone is talking about?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Isn't it crazy how we have parse out every post to find out what "Xbox" everyone is talking about?

Yeah not sure why I forgot to add "but not this thing"

 

[Topher]

Yeah not sure why I forgot to add "but not this thing"

lol....I knew what you were saying, but it is still strange

 

[Parazels]

In that case who would buy the OEM models? Unless Microsoft make models that are priced the same as the expensive OEM ones.

Who knows if those OEM models will even exist! OEMs might simply ignore the "opportunity"!

 

[baphomet]

The handheld has a lower cost to manufacture than a console. "Cutting edge hardware" just means it's newer but the RAM is slower and cheaper, the SoC is slower/smaller and cheaper. These are high markup products being sold for a large profit.

Fucking LOL if you think the Z2 Extreme is cheaper than the Scarlett.