Steve Holt
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Can ya tell him to grow up, stop insulting others and then saying he's the victim.
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ROG Xbox Ally X price leaked.
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RetroGamingUK
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Anyone with half a brain on here said the OEM model would be expensive but Xbox fanboys denied everything.
The next-gen OEM Xbox "consoles" will be just the same, just as they are with PC, just as they were with 3DO.
Niche devices with a tiny market, that's the future of "Xbox" hardware.
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HeisenbergFX4
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There will be a traditional console
RetroGamingUK
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In that case who would buy the OEM models? Unless Microsoft make models that are priced the same as the expensive OEM ones.
HeisenbergFX4
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I don't know the route they are taking with these OEM models if they are even a thing
I just know people keep saying "its just a pc" and thats simply not true with the next gen Xbox
Klayzer
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I believe so as well. Microsoft has base of 35-50 million Xbox console buyers, that's billions of dollars just to give up on. They are going to find a way to satisfy them, imo.
I always figured they are going to unify the console with windows, i.e same user interface same dev tools etc
You buy one version of the game across different devices.
Is that not true?
Is it going to be a separate system to the PC?
RetroGamingUK
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About that…
Xbox Reportedly “Flatlining” in Europe, Publishers Question Support, More PS5 Ports Coming
Microsoft has vowed to continue on with Xbox hardware, but that promise may run into some harsh business realities.
New Estimates Have PS5 Beating Xbox Over 5-To-1 In Sales For November
Microsoft is downplaying the need to own an Xbox in the wake of several years focused on Game Pass and the new “everything is an Xbox campaign,”
www.forbes.com
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HeisenbergFX4
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I don't know how future purchases will work in that regards honestly
But yes its a separate system, its a console
Klayzer
Member
Yeah, it's trending in the wrong direction, no doubt. Positive feedback and good launch of games on the next box, could possibly swing the direction back into better results.About that…
Xbox Reportedly “Flatlining” in Europe, Publishers Question Support, More PS5 Ports Coming
Microsoft has vowed to continue on with Xbox hardware, but that promise may run into some harsh business realities.wccftech.com
New Estimates Have PS5 Beating Xbox Over 5-To-1 In Sales For November
Microsoft is downplaying the need to own an Xbox in the wake of several years focused on Game Pass and the new “everything is an Xbox campaign,”
I wish they would get on, with a new administration though. All of the senior management at Xbox, should have been fired long ago. How long will Microsoft, continue to let their incompetence, blow through billions of dollars.
RetroGamingUK
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I feel the rumours of them unifying the Xbox platform with windows sounded really interesting, and was a clever way to differentiate between them and playstation.
I'm a bit disappointed that they're just trying a normal console again
Klayzer
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They don't have be exclusives. Just have great games available at launch. We can disagree, it's cool.
Kenneth Haight
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Jez corden defending the price on twitter.
Steve Holt
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This would be an odd move to me. Considering what they are saying now publicly with the Xbox Ally X and play anywhere.
Fess
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True, but it is often said that Xbox gamers don't buy games anyway, they only use GAF's favorite rental service.
HeisenbergFX4
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It should play any PA titles as its a handheld PC
RetroGamingUK
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So you're saying we have at least another generation of..
War? More like genocide
Durin
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I would agree, though I think Microsoft will like PC OEMs have "consoles" or handhelds that target lower price points as well, especially given that games will be made for Nintendo's handheld that will be running an older chipset.
Microsoft has to actually be able to sell windows though, because barring Nvidia drivers we're hitting a point where games on Linux even with a translation layer can exceed the performance of the OS they were supposed to run on.
HeisenbergFX4
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Oh its most likely going to fail worse than the Series in terms of sales figures
But its coming none the less
Sebastian1295
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I came back to this thread after being gone awhile and i see that a war has started.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I for the life of me don't understand why they are doing that. It goes against their latest messaging over the last 12 months. And how will it live up to their "biggest generational leap ever" promise?
Topher
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Because they don't want to subsidize a failing platform anymore. All of their messaging is bullshit. It's just smoke and mirrors. That generational leap will be some AI nonsense because that fits with the rest of their corporate PR crap.
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HeisenbergFX4
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"largest technical leap ever" and with how MS is with their PR speak that could just mean some form of AI in their console for the first time ever
mayham2199
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Because 20-25 million subs is still a lot of money. They don't want to just drop that revenue immediately.
laynelane
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I think Game Pass comes into this too. From what I understand, the majority of the revenue for the service is from subscribers on console. If that suddenly disappeared or was drastically reduced (due not having a next gen console), the recurring revenue loss would be massive.
Steve Holt
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I came back to this thread after being gone awhile and i see that a war has started.
It's all GHG's fault - that big silly bully.
He showed some receipts to someone who mentality couldn't cope and voila.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
UGH!!! That is technically true.
So it's just to hold the GP subs. I guess that makes sense. Just make me wonder if this next-gen Xbox console will be for the whales. Because what else can they truly offer if their next-gen games are going on all consoles and PC, plus their remakes of their old titles are also available on all consoles (or the PS5 at a minimum)? Just GamePass.......which is nice, but yeah probably maxes out at 25 million users on console.
Viruz
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I came back to this thread after being gone awhile and i see that a war has started.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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I've been playing Xbox on my OLED Steam Deck ROG Xbox Ally X for years now. Beat Hellblade 1 and 2 on it. MCC installed. GamePass installed.
jm89
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Topher
Identifies as young
They never said that though and it won't, I'm afraid
HeisenbergFX4
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The console will
Topher
Identifies as young
Isn't it crazy how we have parse out every post to find out what "Xbox" everyone is talking about?
SomeNorseGuy
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Yeah not sure why I forgot to add "but not this thing"
Topher
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lol....I knew what you were saying, but it is still strange
Parazels
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Who knows if those OEM models will even exist! OEMs may simply ignore the "opportunity"!
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baphomet
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Fucking LOL if you think the Z2 Extreme is cheaper than the Scarlett.
The SoC alone? I haven't done the calculation but the Z2 Extreme would be a 4nm process with a 233 mm² die size, the Scarlett would be 7nm process with a 360.5 mm² die size. You'd have to calculate the cost per wafer and find how many chips you can get per wafer. As I said the Z2 is a much smaller chip than what's in the xbox. The BOM cost for the console goes higher when you look at other things too like lpddr5x vs gddr6 cost, cooling block cost, drive, and materials. The thing that drives it up for the handheld is the screen. My only point was that it wasn't unreasonable for it to come in at a similar price especially as the specs weren't known anyway and some even thought it would be subsidised by MS.
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Jigsaah
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Adoption matters too. If they are pricing out most of the handheld audience...I mean...what $550 difference from the Switch 2. I bet folks who don't have a handheld looks at this and then their wallet...and ask themselves if it makes sense to spend $250 to $550 more to play pc games on the go?
Low adoption leads to concerns about further support. I assume anything that works on Steamdeck would work on this device, but like what about UI updates. We all know Xbox needs at least a few tries to get it right and even then there no guarantee its gonna work out. Then there's the whole Linux vs Windows in terms of game performance. We are already looking at an expected performance dip due to it being a handheld. Need to see how this performs on a windows device after Xbox has made it's adjustments to the OS.
With faulty hardware, do we RMA through ASUS? Didn't they just go through a nightmare scenario investigated by Gamers Nexus?
Low adoption leads to concerns about further support. I assume anything that works on Steamdeck would work on this device, but like what about UI updates. We all know Xbox needs at least a few tries to get it right and even then there no guarantee its gonna work out. Then there's the whole Linux vs Windows in terms of game performance. We are already looking at an expected performance dip due to it being a handheld. Need to see how this performs on a windows device after Xbox has made it's adjustments to the OS.
With faulty hardware, do we RMA through ASUS? Didn't they just go through a nightmare scenario investigated by Gamers Nexus?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Heisenberg007
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It doesn't play all Xbox games.
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SegaSnatcher
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DOA
I've said it before but it's 99% gonna be some BS AI inference comparison with FP16 Vector on Series X vs Sparse Matrix FP4 on Xbox-next showing >100x increase.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Extensive use of AI upscaling and frame gen is a given.
Am curious where next gen Series S will land. If its able to do 1440p 60 with path tracing everywhere, that would be something.
This is how rtx5060ti does path tracing in Cyberpunk. Not bad I think.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
At 720p this Z2 Extreme device is 30%-50% stronger than a Steam Deck on Average.How powerful is this thing? Iay upgrade from my Steam deck in preparation for the eventual Switch 2 emulator
If you're looking for specific game performance on this device than just look up AI 9 HX 370 [Insert Game Name here] or HX 370 [Insert Game Name here] and you will get your result.
Just keep in mind that this is a 1080p device so whatever performance results you find will be for that resolution most likely meaning that if you played at a lower resolution you can obviously expect better performance.
The Z2 Extreme that this device has are basically just a rebranded AI 9 HX 370 that failed to pass the mustard so the performance of this device is already well documented since the HX 370 has been available since January.