Roger Federer vs Tiger Woods - Who is the best athlete ever?

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viakado said:
lebron, not the kid.

I heard nike got like mad trained assassins ready to eliminate anybody who sees the tape.

I bet Lebron got dunked on so hard he fell back into his childhood when he got spanked by momma and he was like "momma momma i won't do it again momma" and they had to call her to bring him back.
 
I don't want to take anything away from Federer, but IMO he has benefited from a very thin talent pool in the tour. His only real opponent is Nadal. Its not like in the days of Sampras where he had to take on the likes of Agassi, Courier, Edberg.. ect..
 
Sol.. said:
I heard nike got like mad trained assassins ready to eliminate anybody who sees the tape.

I bet Lebron got dunked on so hard he fell back into his childhood when he got spanked by momma and he was like "momma momma i won't do it again momma" and they had to call her to bring him back.
you get dunk on by this guy?
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Trax416 said:
He was dunked on Twice, HARD by Courtney Lee in the playoffs. ESPN refused to show it.
Just twice? Pietrus caught him too and Tayshaun Prince has been owning him since Lebron stepped on the court.
 
DY_nasty said:
Just twice? Pietrus caught him too and Tayshaun Prince has been owning him since Lebron stepped on the court.

yeah but getting dunked on by Tayshaun is like getting dunked on by a bag of twigs.
 
SS4Gogita said:
I bet all of you saying "lol golfers aren't athletes" either A) Don't know the definition of athlete or B) Have never played an 18-hole course without a cart, let alone an 18-hole course 4 days in a row.

Athlete: a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.

Golf absolutely requires stamina, strength, and skill.
Exactly! Look at the fine caliber of athlete that can win a PGA Championship!
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What's the big deal. People get dunked on. Happens to everyone. Why is Lebron any different. Do they think it's going to spoils some air of invincibility that he hasn't really built up yet.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
What's the big deal. People get dunked on. Happens to everyone. Why is Lebron any different. Do they think it's going to spoils some air of invincibility that he hasn't really built up yet.
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Vestal said:
Do I need to whip out a picture of Babe Ruth? How about Cecil Fielder?

Babe Ruth's weight has mostly been exaggerated by popular culture. For most of his career, the guy was relatively lean. He didn't balloon up until later on, when most pictures of him were taken.
 
Zeliard said:
Babe Ruth's weight has mostly been exaggerated by popular culture. For most of his career, the guy was relatively lean. He didn't balloon up until later on, when most pictures of him were taken.

Ok.. Big Pappy, Cecil Fielder?
 
PhoenixDark said:
Tiger Woods is an athlete sure, but he's not in Federer's league. Golf is a game middle aged men can continue to dominate into their 40s and early 50s. It's a game of skill.

Federer, Ali, Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan, great soccer/cricket players, etc? Those are great athletes.


Nope. His early career had a potholes.
 
Vestal said:
Ok.. Big Pappy, Cecil Fielder?

I wasn't disagreeing with your original point. Just sayin, for the majority of his career, Babe Ruth wasn't the overweight blob that many have that instant image of him as.
 
is baseball even a sport? i mean, the only good thing about baseball are the kevin costner movies so i have never really watched it, but as far as i can tell the only physical exertion is sometimes you have to run a circle. most of the time not even the whole circle, but like 1/3 of it. seems like more of a game like curling or chess or something.
 
Vestal said:
I don't want to take anything away from Federer, but IMO he has benefited from a very thin talent pool in the tour. His only real opponent is Nadal. Its not like in the days of Sampras where he had to take on the likes of Agassi, Courier, Edberg.. ect..

No, he's just contended with (and soundly beaten) guys like Roddick, who has recorded the four fastest serves ever in professional tennis, and Sampras, who held the record for Grand Slams at the time, and Andre Agassi, and.. pretty much everyone else in the course of his career so far.

Agassi said that Federer was the best he had ever played against.
 
Hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a baseball. Only sport where failing 70% of the time is considered great.
 
I really don't see why Tyson is dismissed so easily in this discussion in regards to top boxers. To me he is the best boxer of all time.
 
Big-E said:
I really don't see why Tyson is dismissed so easily in this discussion in regards to top boxers. To me he is the best boxer of all time.
His speed gets overlooked way too many times. If he kept on training like he did and his life didn't get fucked up so much he would be WAAAAY ahead of everyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB6L9a3Gybs

If only he didn't fire Rooney, oh what could have been.
 
A couple of things about Gretzky:
1: He's the only player to ever have a 200 point (you get a point for a goal or an assist) season, and he did it 4 times.
2: He has more assists than anyone else has points. If Gretzky never scored a goal (oh, he has the all-time goal record too) he would still be the all time points leader.

Gotta put Bob Beamon up there for his amazing long-jump in 1968: Prior to Beamon’s jump, the world record had been broken thirteen times since 1901, with an average increase of 6 cm (2½ in) and the largest increase being 15 cm (6 in). Beamon’s gold medal mark bettered the existing record by 55 cm (21¾ in.) as he became the first person to reach both 28 and 29 feet.

As to Federer, one can make the case Rod Laver was better. If he wasn't banned from the Grand Slam open events due to turning pro, he could have had 25+ majors. He swept the Grand Slams, turned pro, and for 6 years couldn't play in slams. He comes back and sweeps the slams for a second time. Only tennis pro to ever sweep the slams.
 
Big-E said:
I really don't see why Tyson is dismissed so easily in this discussion in regards to top boxers. To me he is the best boxer of all time.

Prime Tyson is up there. He had both excellent offense and excellent defense, the latter of which has often gone unnoticed by most people due to him being so devastating with his punches.

He famously lost to Buster Douglas, but the only thing that really slowed down his dominance was his jail term, where he didn't end up boxing again for over 4 years. He wasn't the same fighter when he came back. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't gone to jail? That goes for Ali, too, who also lost several years of his prime due to a similar sort of reason (albeit under very different circumstances).
 
Zeliard said:
Prime Tyson is up there. He had both excellent offense and excellent defense, the latter of which has often gone unnoticed by most people due to him being so devastating with his punches.

He famously lost to Buster Douglas, but the only thing that really slowed down his dominance was his jail term, where he didn't end up boxing again for over 4 years. He wasn't the same fighter when he came back. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't gone to jail? That goes for Ali, too, who also lost several years of his prime due to a similar sort of reason (albeit under very different circumstances).


Part of the problem is that Buster beat him fair and square. Buster fought well, and Tyson didn't fight particulalry badly. So it pistoned his percieved momentum as an all-time great. But I agree, young Tyson merits mention.
 
man Tyson lost to Buster because he was probably so deep in asian poo poo that he had no idea which side was up... that tyson was not prime tyson. I think that tyson in his prime would beat almost anyone's ass in the ring.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Part of the problem is that Buster beat him fair and square. Buster fought well, and Tyson didn't fight particulalry badly. So it pistoned his percieved momentum as an all-time great. But I agree, young Tyson merits mention.
Tyson fought like shit
 
Big-E said:
I really don't see why Tyson is dismissed so easily in this discussion in regards to top boxers. To me he is the best boxer of all time.

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, but that is just plain wrong. If you want to limit it just to heavyweights, you might be able to make a case, although there will be a lot of disputes there too, but as someone else already mentioned, Sugar Ray Robinson is probably the best boxer ever, and there are a number of mddleweights that I'd take over Tyson.

Teetris said:
Tyson fought like shit

Exactly. He didn't train much at all, and thought it would be a blow out. It was already the beginning of the end for Tyson at that point. But despite all of that, he still nearly knocked Douglas out to save the day. Some thought that Douglas got a very long count, although that is highly debatable.
 
yohhomario said:
A lot of fat alcoholics that smoke can play golf.


I don't judge the merits of basketball by the middle aged flabby men playing it at the local community center...
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
He was talking about the pros. ;)

Well John Daly is just a gifted freak, sort of like Jon Kruk who looks like he is in the best shape of his life now.
 
Thread title bait, no doubt. Not ever being able to answer the question, and I'm sure these have already been mentioned, I'll say:

Ali
Michael Johnson
Carl Lewis
Sergei Bubka
Pele (or one of many other footballers)
Gretzky

Word.
 
Much of this depends on the sport that matters to you....

But for me the answer is clear...

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The Legend:

In 1956, de Brito took Pelé to Santos, an industrial and port city in the state of São Paulo, to try out for professional club Santos Futebol Clube telling the directors at Santos that the 15-year-old would be "the greatest football player in the world."

During his time at Santos, Pelé played alongside many gifted players, including Zito, Pepe, and Coutinho; the latter partnered him in numerous one-two plays, attacks, and goals.

Pelé made his debut for Santos in 7 September 1956, scoring one goal in a 7–1 friendly victory over Corinthians. When the 1957 season started, Pelé was given a starting place in the first team and, at the age of just 16, became the top scorer in the league. Just ten months after signing professionally, the teenager was called up to the Brazil national team. After the World Cup in 1962, wealthy European clubs such as Real Madrid, Juventus and Manchester United tried to sign the young player, but the government of Brazil declared Pelé an "official national treasure" to prevent him from being transferred out of the country.


Highlights:


Pelé began playing for Santos at 15 and his national team at 16, and won his first World Cup at 17. :lol


Only footballer to be a part of three World Cup-winning teams

1956–1974 Santos 438 appearances - 474 goals
1957–1971 Brazil 92 appearances - 77 goals

Athlete of the Century, elected by world wide journalists, poll by French daily L'Equipe: 1981

Athlete of the Century, elected by International Olympic Committee: 1999

Athlete of the Century, by Reuters News Agency: 1999
 
Teetris said:
Tyson fought like shit


No. Tyson fought lazily, something he did many times in his career, young and old. The point is that it wasn't some crazy abberation or fluke. He was outfought. And Holyfield dismantled him. Tyson's in my all time top five, but he's too inconsistent to be #1.
 
Big-E said:
I really don't see why Tyson is dismissed so easily in this discussion in regards to top boxers. To me he is the best boxer of all time.
Because he never beat anyone good and he lost to Buster Douglas. In boxing if you are not good enough to beat decent boxers like Douglas you can't be considered one of the greatest for beating up on beefed up light heavyweights.

I would honestly put Foreman ahead of Tyson because he was just as dominating and at least he kicked Frazier's ass twice.
 
bionic77 said:
Because he never beat anyone good and he lost to Buster Douglas. In boxing if you are not good enough to beat decent boxers like Douglas you can't be considered one of the greatest for beating up on beefed up light heavyweights.

I would honestly put Foreman ahead of Tyson because he was just as dominating and at least he kicked Frazier's ass twice.

so by your standards, the alltime greats cannot lose? Everyone has lost. Federer, Woods, Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bo Jackson etc, or whatever.

But when Tyson lost to Douglas, it was biggest upset in sports history, also the judge counted to slow, or else Tyson would had won the match when Douglas got up on 9.
 
No Fedor, no sale.

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Kung Fu Jedi said:
How about this beast? Russian Wrestler Alexander Karelin

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Winner.

And everyone calling Tyson the best boxer ever needs to stfu. "Tyson's the best boxer ever if you ignore half his career." how does that make a gawdamned lick of sense?

darkwings said:
Everyone has lost. Federer, Woods, Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bo Jackson etc, or whatever.

Fedor hasn't lost.
 
darkwings said:
so by your standards, the alltime greats cannot lose? Everyone has lost. Federer, Woods, Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bo Jackson etc, or whatever.

But when Tyson lost to Douglas, it was biggest upset in sports history, also the judge counted to slow, or else Tyson would had won the match when Douglas got up on 9.
Boxing is very different than other sports. Yes if you lose in boxing to anyone other than a Hall of Famer it is going to massively hurt your reputation and place in the support. Remember when people use to say that Oscar De La Hoya might go down as one of the greats? That talk died down quick once he lost a few fights.

Remember Ali was undefeated until he came out of jail when he lost his first fight to Joe fucking Frazier. Ali then went on to beat him in the next two fights and beat everyone he ever fought until the end of his career when he was done. That is pretty much the same with all of the all time great fighters.

Tyson was very good but I wouldn't put him in the top 5 heavyweights because of how short his reign was and who he lost to. Simply put Ali or any of the all time great Heavys would never lose to Buster Douglas.
 
Boogie said:
Fedor hasn't lost.

Fedor spends his days training on mountains and wrestling bears. Only humans apply to this thread.

Boogie said:
And everyone calling Tyson the best boxer ever needs to stfu. "Tyson's the best boxer ever if you ignore half his career." how does that make a gawdamned lick of sense?

Has a single person in the thread made that claim?
 
Fedor training in the mountains, sparring on concrete with no headgear :lol

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Fedor getting dropped on his head, he submitted the guy a few seconds later

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Boogie said:
Saying "Tyson in his prime was the best ever" is basically saying the same thing.

Only one person in the thread said he's the greatest boxer ever, and he's free to his opinion. Most are simply saying that Tyson in his prime was a fucking monster.

Still no Fedor, though.
 
Boogie said:
Fedor hasn't lost.
Very true. That one loss he received was bullshit, and should have been a DQ instead of the ref declaring a forfeit due to injury.
 
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