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Yeah, whatever's in R1 it'll probably be an improvement over this:
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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The Tarkin prosthetic wasn't great in ROTS. It works well enough in motion since you don't really see him for more than a few seconds. But frozen in a frame, you get to see it for as long as you want and begin to see how bad it is.
There's even a headshot of it (if this is even real):
"One reactor only. You may fire when ready."
Disagree about Tarkin. I had to watch the credits to confirm that was a CG character on-screen and not a really good look-alike playing the role.
Maybe my thoughts will change after I rewatch ANH and see Tarkin there, but on screen on Rogue One, if you didn't know the actor was no longer alive, you probably wouldn't know he was completely CG.
Finally some new spoilers, courtesy ComingSoon.Net
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...ne-connections-to-the-star-wars-saga#/slide/1
-Coruscant is briefly in the movie during a Krennic/Galen scene.
-Dutch Vander (Red Leader) and Garvin Dreis (Gold Leader) are in the space battle!
-Vader's lair is in a castle, possibly on Mustafar?
-Dutch Vander (Red Leader) and Garvin Dreis (Gold Leader) are in the space battle!
-Vader's lair is in a castle, possibly on Mustafar?
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...ne-connections-to-the-star-wars-saga#/slide/1
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There's a guy posting on /co/ right now also claiming that the Rebels references are:
-The Ghost and Phoenix Squadron's Hammerheads during the battle
Spoilered the last two just because they're not in the commercials.
-The Ghost and Phoenix Squadron's Hammerheads during the battle
-Chopper at the Yavin 4 base
-A reference to "General Syndulla"
-A reference to "General Syndulla"
Spoilered the last two just because they're not in the commercials.
From the sounds of it,
we get to see that brutal Lasat that Kallus mentioned as part of Saw's forces?
Bobby Roberts
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I'd know he was completely CG beacuse real people's mouths don't slide around on their face like that.
I'm not saying it's not an impressive effect. It's just not enough to get it out of the uncanny valley.
It's going to be a fairly contentious discussion point for the next few months. Probably THE nerdfight of choice re: this film.
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I'm trying to imagine what else could fill that role; can't really debate about the characters too much (see: Rey/Mary Sue crap, Finn's character arc, etc.) since they're all, you know, dead.
And I imagine the "doesn't feel like Star Wars" people will be satisfied enough with the Vader sequences to not really care.
Maybe casual fans feeling alienated due to all the little bits of fan service they apparently crammed into this thing?
Bobby Roberts
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I don't even know that any casuals are going to notice a lot of the fanservice bullshit (although more than a few moments are less elbows to the ribs and more like forearms to the jaw). Like Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba will probably just play like dumb & uglies on Jedha for flavor - unfamiliar viewers will only feel like they missed something when a theater full of dorks go "WHAAHAAHHHH" in response.
So yeah, it's basically going to be whether or not the Tarkin/Leia recreations were good, or even a good idea in the first place.
I saw David Ehrlich suggest that the easiest way to cake & eat it too here would be to keep Tarkin as a hologram off-site from the Death Star until the final battle, at which point you have him show up with Vader to the fight, Vader takes the Star Destroyer, Tarkin commandeers the Death Star. That way you never have to really "see" Tarkin in the (not) flesh.
So yeah, it's basically going to be whether or not the Tarkin/Leia recreations were good, or even a good idea in the first place.
I saw David Ehrlich suggest that the easiest way to cake & eat it too here would be to keep Tarkin as a hologram off-site from the Death Star until the final battle, at which point you have him show up with Vader to the fight, Vader takes the Star Destroyer, Tarkin commandeers the Death Star. That way you never have to really "see" Tarkin in the (not) flesh.
I'm surprised that's not what they went with, because I figured holograms would be the easiest way to get around the uncanny valley. Guess they wanted to really push things as far as they could.
How would you rank RO compared to the other movies?
Bobby Roberts
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Fourth.
The acting is good then? I'd be surprised. My impression from the clips and trailers has mostly been negative as far as the acting is concerned.
Bobby Roberts
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I think it's mostly good, but even if I didn't, the answer to your question would still be no because I don't think it's at all "confirmed" that the acting is spotty all around. A lot of the reviews seem to mostly praise the performances.
It seems more like what you're really asking is "how likely am I to employ confirmation bias to support the preconceptions I have via the trailers & commercials?" Probably somewhat likely, but I dunno. You might end up completely thrown by the fact a LOT of the dialog you're judging in the trailers isn't in this movie.
Coulda swore someone in either this thread or the review one actually went through and compiled the stuff from marketing that isn't in the film at all. It's pretty considerable. I know that MOST of the dialog you've heard is gone. It's not even like, alternate takes in a lot of instances. Completely different lines and performances.
It seems more like what you're really asking is "how likely am I to employ confirmation bias to support the preconceptions I have via the trailers & commercials?" Probably somewhat likely, but I dunno. You might end up completely thrown by the fact a LOT of the dialog you're judging in the trailers isn't in this movie.
Coulda swore someone in either this thread or the review one actually went through and compiled the stuff from marketing that isn't in the film at all. It's pretty considerable. I know that MOST of the dialog you've heard is gone. It's not even like, alternate takes in a lot of instances. Completely different lines and performances.
PhoncipleBone
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Without skimming pages, how close does this come to my dream scenario of Vader being like Jason Voorhees cutting down rebel scum at the end?
Bobby Roberts
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He kills something like 9 or 10 people in less than a minute while calmly walking down a hallway.
PhoncipleBone
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This gives me life.
The doing it while calmly walking down the hall makes it better.
Bobby Roberts
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Whoops, missed this one
Yeah, the character work. The performances are easily the best in Edwards' career. His actors are acting, not just standing there with their mouths half open, gawping at imaginary shit, there are various personalities, and they all legitimately emote. This is a thing he's never been able to do in the prior movies, so the fact it happens at all, much less happens mostly well, is a welcome surprise. But that doesn't mean that even with a cast as stacked as Edwards' has, that it ended up making as much of a collective impression as Abrams' crew did. TFA still has better moments, and overall better performances.
This is right up there with ROTJ for best space battle though. This might be a Creed situation with me where I know it's better than Rocky, but I wanna give it about a year to make really, really sure because I know how bold a claim that is straight out the gate. But I saw someone say the end of this movie is like the Hoth Battle and Death Star II happening at the same time, and they weren't lying a fuckin' bit.
Yeah, the character work. The performances are easily the best in Edwards' career. His actors are acting, not just standing there with their mouths half open, gawping at imaginary shit, there are various personalities, and they all legitimately emote. This is a thing he's never been able to do in the prior movies, so the fact it happens at all, much less happens mostly well, is a welcome surprise. But that doesn't mean that even with a cast as stacked as Edwards' has, that it ended up making as much of a collective impression as Abrams' crew did. TFA still has better moments, and overall better performances.
This is right up there with ROTJ for best space battle though. This might be a Creed situation with me where I know it's better than Rocky, but I wanna give it about a year to make really, really sure because I know how bold a claim that is straight out the gate. But I saw someone say the end of this movie is like the Hoth Battle and Death Star II happening at the same time, and they weren't lying a fuckin' bit.
Can't wait for the Making Of Rogue One book to come out in 20+ years cause I'm pretty sure they will never really talk in-depth about this production. Disney might have cobbled together a decent film after the first cut but I'm still stratching my head at the fact they picked some not so great screenwriters for this film. Edwards and his cast probably did what they could with that script. I'm going to enjoy this film no doubt but I can only think of what have been with some actual good character screenwriters.
Bobby Roberts
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One last question Bobby - were the spoilers I posted from Comingsoon.net earlier correct that
made brief appearances, or do you think that was just the author going
so I guess that's those planets"? Or just totally off base?
Coruscant and Mustafar
"eh that's a city and that's lava
Damn. Knew I should just have blamed Kathleen Kennedy for all of this.
Bobby Roberts
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Pretty sure it's Mustafar, although it's one of the few times a location doesn't pop up in the lower right- or left-hand corners after planet hopping.
But it's basically Vader's castle from the old production art for the OT. It sure as hell seems like Mustafar. It was also one of my biggest—if not the biggest—surprises.(It's here that you finally get to hear - and it only happens the once - a bit of the original Imperial Motif from Star Wars, shortly followed by the Imperial March.)
So far as Corsucant goes - I guess? The flashback is basically an apartment interior so you're only seeing the city outside through the windows, if I remember correctly. Could be any city, but it would make sense that it's Coruscant, considering.
I'd imagine she'd be more than happy to take that blame considering how cohesive the film turned out. Currently she's now been in charge of the company as it's turned out two straight films in two straight years, both of which are significantly better than anything in the series since 1980.
But it's basically Vader's castle from the old production art for the OT. It sure as hell seems like Mustafar. It was also one of my biggest—if not the biggest—surprises.(It's here that you finally get to hear - and it only happens the once - a bit of the original Imperial Motif from Star Wars, shortly followed by the Imperial March.)
So far as Corsucant goes - I guess? The flashback is basically an apartment interior so you're only seeing the city outside through the windows, if I remember correctly. Could be any city, but it would make sense that it's Coruscant, considering.
I'd imagine she'd be more than happy to take that blame considering how cohesive the film turned out. Currently she's now been in charge of the company as it's turned out two straight films in two straight years, both of which are significantly better than anything in the series since 1980.
Yessss. Always wanted Vader to get his castle back. Kind of weird that he just hangs out in a bacta tank though unless they're planning to have him get messed up in season 5 of Rebels right before RO or something.
Mustafar also fits with the Jedi torture facility that they mentioned on Rebels. Seems like the right place for Vader to hang around to get high on anger.
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Ok.. this is important:
Are there any Gungans in the movie?
Are there any Gungans in the movie?
brandonh83
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Bobby stay
Bobby Roberts
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I saw neither Sio Bibble nor Jar Jar Binks, as was rumored very late in the game. I was actively scanning that meeting room for them, but unless I was looking at just the wrong place at just the right time... nothing.
This is basically one of the only places I know that feels safe-ish to talk Rogue One spoilers right now without potentially ruining someone's day or having to fuck w/ Twitter DMs, so here I am.
This is basically one of the only places I know that feels safe-ish to talk Rogue One spoilers right now without potentially ruining someone's day or having to fuck w/ Twitter DMs, so here I am.
Haloid1177
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Bobby, is the Vader costume ANH through and through (like does the tunic drape over the chest armor or is it under it)? Saw a comment on Reddit saying the costume is pure ANH which is not what any promo images or even the HT figure have done. Might have been a little thing to notice but I'm curious.
Tarkin really does look awful in the movie, pulled me out of the scene everytime I saw him. Don't get me wrong, it's great CGI, but you always see him standing next to another person or in a conversation. And if you constantly have the reference of how a real human looks and how the light shines on his skin compared to the CG character, it just looks like they are talking with a Pixar character. It works if you only see them shortly, without a direct comparison to a real human.
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I'm anxiously awaiting seeing this tomorrow night, but I refuse to believe anyone who says it's better than Empire, the single greatest Hollywood blockbuster in existence.
That's because most of us know the actor who played Tarkin is dead. Your mind already knows it's going to be fake no matter how good of a job they animation team does.
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My cousin did not even see Tarkins was a CGI character until I told him during the break. I personally did not find him jarring at all, I was very impressed with how far the technology has come.
Bobby Roberts
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No, its because his mouth slides around his face and makes odd movements when he speaks.
It does not look right. The actor being dead isnt the reason.
I thought the CG Audrey Hepburn in that one chocolate commercial was less uncanny valley than this one, and she was very dead at the time, too.
Granted, that effect had way less to do than Tarkin. But I'm bringing it up to contradict the idea that is likely going to be pushed even more going forward, that it's just our brains getting in the way and refusing to accept a dead person still walks and talks.
My brain got in the way because the mechanics of his mouth do not work right.
I had the same with Terminator Genishit. Arnold looked great but once he started moving his head around the "realness" was gone.
Personally, I think pure CG'd or CG enhanced people tend to look worse in theaters. I heard some people complaining about CLU from Tron Legacy looking Polar Express levels of bad but when I saw it on BD it wasn't that bad at all. Another instance would be the effects used to make Peggy in Winter Soldier look older. It seemed uncanny when I saw it in theaters but on the TV screen it was fine.
Tarkin looks incredible most of the time and just slips into uncanny valley levels in certain moments imo. Leia looked incredible.
I'm looking forward to someone compiling a list of stuff in the trailers that didn't make the cut. I don't mourn the loss of the 'I rebel' line, but boy I was looking forward to see Jyn versus Tie Fighter shot on top of the radar dish on the big screen.
I'm looking forward to someone compiling a list of stuff in the trailers that didn't make the cut. I don't mourn the loss of the 'I rebel' line, but boy I was looking forward to see Jyn versus Tie Fighter shot on top of the radar dish on the big screen.
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Really excited to see Leia! I wonder why they didn't cast Carrie's daughter in the role. They look pretty similar!
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Leia's mouth was worse than Tarkin's. They should have cut her altogether, or just left it as a body double filmed from the back as the door opened and closed.
Someone here already put together a list of all the stuff that got cut from the marketing campaign. Its gotta be close to 60 percent.
Someone here already put together a list of all the stuff that got cut from the marketing campaign. Its gotta be close to 60 percent.
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In terms of scenes where the acting is a little flat/stiff, is any of it close to what we saw in the PT or OT?
Bobby Roberts
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That's gonna be a ways off if this is anything to go by.
They'll just reboot the whole thing in about 25 years anyway.
They'll just reboot the whole thing in about 25 years anyway.
I hope they don't. Because there's no weight to CGI characters.
Doing some CGI characters like Tarkin or Leia is fine though. There's always something wrong with CGI actors. The mind says they aren't real ... no matter how convincing the work is.
Just saw this. Very good. Better than the prequel trilogy but not sure if i'd call it better than Return of the Jedi (always liked ROTJ a lot, its highs are so good). Excellent prequel for ANH.. think i'll need to watch it just because now...
Tarkin's voice was a bit off, at first anyway, i think. But the CGI was pretty good, didn't notice any oddities but then i've never been good at reading peoples' faces and i can easily miss errors. Regardless, Tarkin's such a great villain and important to the Death Star it was nice to see him there.
K2-whatever is certainly one of the best droid characters in any Star Wars work.
Seeing Vader's Castle was very nice, though i keep wondering where it was. Could have been Mustafar but could they have brought Bastion back from old EU?
Also lol@previous Red 5.
EDIT Oh, and Vader looked too short. Or Krennic's really tall.
Tarkin's voice was a bit off, at first anyway, i think. But the CGI was pretty good, didn't notice any oddities but then i've never been good at reading peoples' faces and i can easily miss errors. Regardless, Tarkin's such a great villain and important to the Death Star it was nice to see him there.
K2-whatever is certainly one of the best droid characters in any Star Wars work.
Seeing Vader's Castle was very nice, though i keep wondering where it was. Could have been Mustafar but could they have brought Bastion back from old EU?
Also lol@previous Red 5.
EDIT Oh, and Vader looked too short. Or Krennic's really tall.
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