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[Arment]

The war on drugs is the only thing I agree with him about and a select few things like declaring war without authorization.

Otherwise the man can't be taken seriously.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I have always admired his stances on science, race, sexuality and economics.

<3

 

[Kusagari]

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders&#8217; political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance.

Anyone who supports this man is a fool.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I can disagree. He made a lot of money off of crazy, racist newsletters, was too much of a cowardly shitheel to even own up to the fact that he did, and his economic views, if they were implemented, would result in the death of millions of poor people.

Fuck him. He's somewhat right on a couple issues (war, drug), but on most things he's either dumb, crazy, or racist.

Pretty much this. He has a couple of issues where his stances are noble, but for the most part he holds a bunch of crazy ideas that would destroy any society if implemented, people brush away his ties to racism far too frequently, and the cult around him is just weird.

I find that vast majority of his views completely abhorrent.

 

[marrec]

What a shame. He was so close to the presidency too.

This is the kind of Oblivion posts I like.

 

[JonnyBigBoss]

He's a genuine piece of shit.
The points that he makes are valid until he talks about what he would do policy wise then it gets into crazy territory (and ignoring everything from Reconstruction era to WWII, except The fed the fed the fed print money gold inflation nonsense).
Won't miss him.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Okay, let's keep raising our deficit, moving toward socialization, and making enemies with most of the world.

America is in big trouble because of people like you.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Okay, let's keep raising our deficit, moving toward socialization, and making enemies with most of the world.

America is in big trouble because of people like you.

Please stop pretending that you give a shit about our Union and go whistle Dixie elsewhere.

In other words, follow Ron Paul's fine example.

 

[Trurl]

You know I sorta like/hate Ron Paul. Fact is I actually agree with him on probably 90% of his stances. But the 10% I disagree with him on I find his views completely abhorrent.

But I do have to poke fun at this:


His second question. Ron Paul: Asking the important questions.

I sort of agree with this, except I'd put it somewhere between 50-50 to 60-40. A friend dragged me to a Ron Paul rally, though, and I was struck by the audience being most moved by what was most stupid.

 

[Aylinato]

The liberals are as bad as the republicans when it comes to the stuff Paul is talking about. The Nanny State is a huge Liberal and Conservative concept. They just try to act like they approach it differently/avoid it.

Not liberals, you are talking about Democrats, and no Democrats are not very liberal at all.

Ron Paul is more a problem of solving any issue that he brings up, including the fictional "Nanny State" LOL at that term.

 

[markot]

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Okay, let's keep raising our deficit, moving toward socialization, and making enemies with most of the world.

America is in big trouble because of people like you.

No, its in trouble because of people who are detatched from reality and stuck in ideology. IE Ron Paul in a nutshell case.

 

[Valnen]

Libertarians have no place in civilized society. Good riddance.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

So we should be ok with stop and frisk? Wearing a tazer bracelet while we fly? Eating government susidized gmo food? Corporations running goverment? Government selling drugs and weapons to criminals? Ect ect in the name of saftey and become even more dependent on the central government?

Its not lunacy to think that if you empower the people like our constitution and bill of rights does that you will have strong citizens that you will have a strong country.

Instead we have a givernment working for themselves and their corporate backing.

He didn't say that at all. Try arguing against what he actually said.

 

[markot]

Libertarians have no place in civilized society. Good riddance.

I would start a charity to help them go Galt... but they would hate that >.<

 

[demon]

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Okay, let's keep raising our deficit, moving toward socialization, and making enemies with most of the world.

America is in big trouble because of people like you.

Get a fucking clue.

And good riddance, his economic beliefs are bizarre and dangerous. Taxes are not an infringement on our freedoms, asshole.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Okay, let's keep raising our deficit, moving toward socialization, and making enemies with most of the world.

America is in big trouble because of people like you.

Nope.
The deficit is a non-issue; inflation is low.
Socialism? This country's demographics and polices are center, center-right. And we could use a push to the left.
Our foreign relations have gotten better in the last 4 years.
Do I have issues with some of the policies (drone attacks, Guatanamo, war on drugs etc)? Yes, but I don't propose dismantling the federal government as a solution.

 

[water_wendi]

Too bad. i pretty much like anybody that pisses off both the Republican and Democrats.

 

[markot]

Too bad. i pretty much like anybody that pisses off both the Republican and Democrats.

Oh, so you were a fan of OSAMA BIN LADEN?!

 

[Synth_floyd]

I love how everyone who loves to suck the founding father's cocks always forgets that slavery was written into the constitution and most of them were slave holders themselves. American society was (and still is in some ways) extremely racist as well.

 

[bounchfx]

I don't know much about him at all but those questions in the OP seem very valid.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

I would start a charity to help them go Galt... but they would hate that >.<

They are fine with other people giving to charities that benefit them.

I love how everyone who loves to suck the founding father's cocks always forgets that slavery was written into the constitution and most of them were slave holders themselves. American society was (and still is in some ways) extremely racist as well.

Hard right libertarians don't have any problems with slavery and racism. They hate political correctness and love property rights.

 

[Kusagari]

I legitimately feel bad for the sane libertarians that Ron Paul has become synonymous with their ideology.

The man is not a true libertarian and anyone who actually looks beneath the surface knows that.

Rally around Gary Johnson not that nut.

 

[FutureZombie]

People actually dislike freedom. They don't want it, especially for other people. Freedom is too scary to most people, and it doesn't allow them to push their views onto others.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I guess he finally got the message that The Glorious Free Market didn't want him.

See ya later, dipshit.

 

[markot]

People actually dislike freedom. They don't want it, especially for other people. Freedom is too scary to most people, and it doesn't allow them to push their views onto others.

Its very sad that when one engages with libertarians, the old 'why do you hate freedom' line pops up when they cant defend their actual points.

 

[Aylinato]

I don't know much about him at all but those questions in the OP seem very valid.

He brings up a ton of good questions, however he pulls a fast one on his supporters by offering the ideal that the government is responsible for all of those problems. It's just not realistic in any sense, and his actual policies are those of conspiracies theorists.


For the most damning and best example he thinks that corporations need no regulation what so ever, and that they would go be model corporations that driver to better our society. It's just not based in reality.

 

[daw840]

I have a question for you guys. I get into some very heated political debates with a fairly good friend/coworker of mine who claims he is a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter. As such he always votes Republican because he thinks they are the closest between the two. He has a political science major (Bachelors) and essentially thinks he knows everything. Please give me some specific talking points to present to him as to why Ron Paul is batshit....

 

[FutureZombie]

I love how everyone who loves to suck the founding father's cocks always forgets that slavery was written into the constitution and most of them were slave holders themselves. American society was (and still is in some ways) extremely racist as well.

Yup. No one has ever mentioned that the founding fathers owned slaves. You are the first person to ever bring it up. No one is aware of it.

Its very sad that when one engages with libertarians, the old 'why do you hate freedom' line pops up when they cant defend their actual points.

But you do hate freedom. You want order and equality based on your perspective of what equality is. You do not want freedom. Just admit that; it's a legitimate opinion to have.

 

[Kusagari]

I have a question for you guys. I get into some very heated political debates with a fairly good friend/coworker of mine who claims he is a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter. As such he always votes Republican because he thinks they are the closest between the two. He has a political science major (Bachelors) and essentially thinks he knows everything. Please give me some specific talking points to present to him as to why Ron Paul is batshit....

Ron Paul would be completely fine with a state banning homosexuality, banning abortion, etc. That is something that no actual Libertarian would support.

Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian. He's a states rights activist mixed with a dash of Religious Right masquerading as one.

 

[KHarvey16]

But you do hate freedom. You want order and equality based on your perspective of what equality is. You do not want freedom. Just admit that; it's a legitimate opinion to have.

Why are you a racist?

 

[Aylinato]

I have a question for you guys. I get into some very heated political debates with a fairly good friend/coworker of mine who claims he is a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter. As such he always votes Republican because he thinks they are the closest between the two. He has a political science major (Bachelors) and essentially thinks he knows everything. Please give me some specific talking points to present to him as to why Ron Paul is batshit....

From experience with talking and discussing anything with Ron Paul supporters who vote Republican, they just don't listen to anything outside of the talking points that Ron Paul has spouted through his career. There is only one way to tell if they are actually libertarian, and that is discussing abortion and how the government shouldn't interfere with the right of a woman to do with her body as she chooses. If they are libertarian they will say she has a right to an abortion, if not then they are actually a closest republican who doesn't like how the tea party has taken over and are too ashamed to claim to be "main stream Republicans"

But you do hate freedom. You want order and equality based on your perspective of what equality is. You do not want freedom. Just admit that; it's a legitimate opinion to have.

So far from the truth. Without our government we would have slavery, which is the removal of all personal freedoms. In other words you are making up shit.


::edit::

Heck the reason why governments get formed is because of the value of freedom from being destroyed by other nations/tribes. The entire basis for your argument is flawed, and your being dishonest with yourself on what freedom entails.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Yup. No one has ever mentioned that the founding fathers owned slaves. You are the first person to ever bring it up. No one is aware of it.



But you do hate freedom. You want order and equality based on your perspective of what equality is. You do not want freedom. Just admit that; it's a legitimate opinion to have.

Serious question, now that Ron Paul has abandoned all pretenses and come out in favor of secession, why are you still here? Your boy needs you, go make a Confederate Flag or something. We already know you don't care about the Union, just stop pretending. Do us all that small favor.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I have a question for you guys. I get into some very heated political debates with a fairly good friend/coworker of mine who claims he is a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter. As such he always votes Republican because he thinks they are the closest between the two. He has a political science major (Bachelors) and essentially thinks he knows everything. Please give me some specific talking points to present to him as to why Ron Paul is batshit....

On economics:
Why I am not an Austrian Economist

Austrian Economics guide

This book:Lords of Finance on the rise of central banking and the fall of the gold standard.

On states rights and stuff, pretty much any scholarly source before, during and after the Civil War.
On abortion rights, Study on why liberal countries have fewer abortions, blog from a former pro lifer

 

[daw840]

From experience with talking and discussing anything with Ron Paul supporters who vote Republican, they just don't listen to anything outside of the talking points that Ron Paul has spouted through his career. There is only one way to tell if they are actually libertarian, and that is discussing abortion and how the government shouldn't interfere with the right of a woman to do with her body as she chooses. If they are libertarian they will say she has a right to an abortion, if not then they are actually a closest republican who doesn't like how the tea party has taken over and are too ashamed to claim to be "main stream Republicans"

I've just scratched the surface of this with him and his response was "well some people believe that the baby (foetus) has rights too!"

 

[FutureZombie]

So far from the truth. Without our government we would have slavery, which is the removal of all personal freedoms. In other words you are making up shit.

Slavery is the opposite of freedom. But you seem to be having fun arguing against an imaginary opponent!

Serious question, now that Ron Paul has abandoned all pretenses and come out in favor of secession, why are you still here? Your boy needs you, go make a Confederate Flag or something.

I voted for Gary Johnson and have never voted for a Republican. Nice try though!

 

[Veezy]

Slavery is the opposite of freedom. But you seem to be having fun arguing against an imaginary opponent!

So you believe that some laws that remove a person's ability to do something is necessary to protect the rights, life, liberty, and privacy of another?

 

[Aylinato]

I've just scratched the surface of this with him and his response was "well some people believe that the baby (foetus) has rights too!"

it does not, in libertarian thought, anyway

So he really isn't a libertarian, and most likely won't change his opinion

Slavery is the opposite of freedom. But you seem to be having fun arguing against an imaginary opponent!

Without our government. There would still be slavery. Our government ensures that slavery does not happen in America in 2012. You cannot justify your post I quoted without the government being there to protect liberties.

 

[Valnen]

I legitimately feel bad for the sane libertarians that Ron Paul has become synonymous with their ideology.

The man is not a true libertarian and anyone who actually looks beneath the surface knows that.

Rally around Gary Johnson not that nut.

There is no such thing as a sane libertarian.

 

[FutureZombie]

So you believe that some laws that remove a person's ability to do something is necessary to protect the rights, life, liberty, and privacy of another?

I'm not an anarchist.

 

[Phoenix]

The end of an era.

I voted for him in the Republican Primaries, imagine how different things would be if he had won and had the support of the GOP behind him.

If he would have had the support of the GOP behind him we'd be living in a very different America without many of the issues that he is talking about.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

I'm not an anarchist.

But you're apparently a secessionist, so hop to it and stop annoying us Yanks.

 

[FutureZombie]

But you're apparently a secessionist, so hop to it and stop annoying us Yanks.

Ah, GAF: The beautifully enlightened world where everyone without a 100% conformist opinion is a racist Southerner.

 

[KHarvey16]

Ah, GAF: The beautifully enlightened world where everyone without a 100% conformist opinion is a racist Southerner.

But racism is an actual opinion someone can have, and being from the south is certainly possible too. Why don't you just admit it?

 

[PhoenixDark]

So much time on the tax payer dole, no accomplishments to show for it. Good riddance Mr Paul

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

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Ah, GAF: The beautifully enlightened world where everyone without a 100% conformist opinion is a racist Southerner.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say anything about race, but if the shoe fits.

You certainly don't seem to disagree with [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nhQ31b_dbnM"]your prophet[/URL] despite the numerous opportunities I've given you to rebut him.

 

[Veezy]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png[IMG]



Ah, GAF: The beautifully enlightened world where everyone without a 100% conformist opinion is a racist Southerner.[/QUOTE]

You hopped into this thread and said that some of the people hate freedom. While you may not be pushing for succession, your still making claims against people.

Defend yourself. Don't say it has to do with pushing beliefs on others. Explain why people hate freedom.

I like stop signs. Do I hate freedom?

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

Some of his questions are valid concerns.

Seriously.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Zombie, if you don't want people to infer incorrect things about you from your posts then why don't you actually lay out your positions instead of simply replying to everything with smug one-liners about what you aren't?

 

[Suite Pee]

Some. Then he brings up things like going back to the gold standard. Dumb.

 

[Rayis]

Finally, hopefully the cult of people that follow his questionable views dies out with his career

 

[ahoyhoy]

You can't talk about Ron Paul without talking about some of his crazy ideas, but dammit, his honesty is refreshing and he really could improve the country in a lot of ways.

Pretty much this. I think his genuine quality earned him more votes than his unpractical and potentially outdated message ever did