Indeed.
A few of his questions are good to discuss while others are good for thought experiments but not much else.. The bulk, however, have explanations. Some may disagree with those explanations, but they're still valid.
Ron Paul is retiring from the House after this year. This is his farewell speech.
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Indeed.
A few of his questions are good to discuss while others are good for thought experiments but not much else.. The bulk, however, have explanations. Some may disagree with those explanations, but they're still valid.
Ken Masters
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During the primary debates when asked what if someone who was dying with no insurance showed up at a hospital would you not care for him, he had no answer because for the first time he realized how stupidly idealistic he was and was basically caricature
And some of his supporters in the crowd chanting "let him die!"
And some of his supporters in the crowd chanting "let him die!"
The main question is what does freedom have to do with Ron Paul?
CHEEZMO
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They'll just move onto his dumbass son.
ClassyPenguin
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CHEEZMO™;44353198 said:
They are moving on to the prophet Gary Johnson, first of his name.
FutureZombie
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People hate freedom because freedom can lead to some people having more money than others. People hate freedom because freedom does not stop people from harming themselves. People would rather have "equality," safety, and order than freedom. And people hate freedom because they do not trust others to make the right decisions.
Sometimes with freedom you don't always get the best result. But it is still preferable to being controlled.
Ignis Fatuus
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How long until he starts calling to dissolve the Union?
Since you chose to ignore the Ron Paul video I keep showing you, I take it that you tacitly accept those views as you do with all his others. Please do not bitch again when you are branded as a secessionist who hates our Union.
But why are you a racist?
Half and half
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Mr. B Natural
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You're right. Civilization sucks. Always controlling me from all those things I want to do...like...um, oh I know, smoking pot.
FutureZombie
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I don't 100% follow one person's opinions. So, I can actually agree with some things someone says and not others.
Who are you talking about here? Be specific. Who said what that justified the above opinion.
Is it somebody in this thread, or are you just talking in general?
By your definition, freedom doesn't stop people from hurting others. From taking advantage of people. Or, from a whole slew of other shit. We could do this all day.
All I'm asking for is what somebody said, in this thread, to justify you saying they hate freedom. Or, explain how Ron Paul's beliefs would increase the freedom of the majority of American society. 'Cause right now, you haven't said much of anything.
Then what the hell are you going on about people hating freedom in this thread? Do you even have an opinion of Congressman Paul or you just here to attack people for disagreeing with you?
polyh3dron
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Is he moving to Somalia?
Ignis Fatuus
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Then would you mind explaining where exactly you disagree with Ron Paul and why? We wouldn't want anyone to get the impression that you're a, you know, conformist.
Red Blaster
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As a freedom lover I should be able to put landmines in front of my slave pen
Grimm Fandango
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Because there's a lot of bad shit in there?
FutureZombie
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I'm talking about the people who are laughing at what Paul said. A lot of points are valid, but people treat him like a quack. And one reason for that is people do not value freedom. That's why people vote against gay marriage and why people vote for market restrictions. They simply don't value freedom as much as they value how they think people should act.
Only a racist would say this. Why are you a racist? Why don't you admit it?
His economics beliefs are in no way bizarre, and even if you assume the worst they could be no more dangerous than our current policies of utter failure.
FutureZombie
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This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You don't value freedom. You prefer safety. That's fine. But you are not a fan of freedom. That's what I'm pointing out.
Ron Paul would vote against gay marriage.
Devolution
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Legalizing marijuana? pssh. The real issue is deregulating raw milk ingestion.
FutureZombie
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Ok. Lucky for me I did not vote for him, but instead voted for Johnson and for gay marriage in Maryland.
Ignis Fatuus
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Since it appears that FutureZombie cannot articulate a single argument against Ron Paul's positions, I daresay that he is the ultimate conformist.
We treat him like the quack he is because he wants the gold standard, a rollback of civil rights, goddamn theocracy, and the fucking dissolution of the United States of America. Those positions are the rantings and ravings of a loon, a loon who doesn't seem to have much regard for his country either.
We treat him like the quack he is because he wants the gold standard, a rollback of civil rights, goddamn theocracy, and the fucking dissolution of the United States of America. Those positions are the rantings and ravings of a loon, a loon who doesn't seem to have much regard for his country either.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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It's legal and actually encouraged in Europe for cheeses and such.
ClassyPenguin
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Yes they are. By going from fiat currency to a commodity based currency, it will destroy our economy by stopping it (lower borrowing, expansionary policies which have made the American economy strong. Basically, it's easier to get loans which business need). By ending the Fed, all our control over inflation, monetary expansion, interest rates are all gone. You don't need to study economics to know why that's terrible.
It happened when the Brits tried it to go back to gold before WWII.
It would be hard to commit a sentence to the screen more wrong than this. It's just factually incorrect in nearly every way imaginable.
You didn't vote for Ron Paul? So you're a racist and a freedom hater!
CHEEZMO
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The sky is gree- shit you're right.
durr
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Ron Paul doesn't value the freedom of gay people.
Good, we're starting to drill things down here. Let's take this on line by line.
1. What did Congressman Paul say that people laughed at that you think implementing would increase the freedom of American's as a whole? Or, what are the valid points he makes that you agree with that other people think make him sound like a crazy person?
2. Ron Paul believes that marriage between two unrelated consenting adults of full mental capacity with the ability to make personal decisions that do not require a guardian of the same sex is not a federal issue. He believes it, what many consider a civil right, to be a State issue. How is letting the States determine two people's legal right to get married increasing freedom? Is that not actually restricting their freedom? Do I hate freedom for thinking it should be a federal issue?
3. Market restrictions, properly implemented, protect the value of the dollar, the banking system from collapsing, and protect people from having their financial lives destroyed. Could it not be said that restricting the freedom of the financial sector from doing whatever it wants is increasing the freedom of individuals as they're less likely to have their lives destroyed by a collapse like we saw in the '20s and in 2008? Do I hate freedom for believing that there should be laws restricting what a bank can do with my grandpa's 401k?
4. Who's they and what did they say?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Who would force you to drink raw milk?
Are people dying in large numbers in Europe?
JordanLMiller
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Yeah, no doubt he had a lot a views I wouldn't agree with, but I really liked him most out of all the republican hopefuls this year. I think that was primarily though because many of his ideas aren't very republican at all.
FutureZombie
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Good, we're starting to drill things down here. Let's take this on line by line.
1. What did Congressman Paul say that people laughed at that you think implementing would increase the freedom of American's as a whole? Or, what are the valid points he makes that you agree with that other people think make him sound like a crazy person?
Not throwing people in jail for drug use, defending economic liberty, democracy being the enemy of the minority...
2. Ron Paul believes that marriage between two unrelated consenting adults or full mental capacity with the ability to make personal decisions that do not require a guardian of the same sex is not a federal issue. He believes it, what many consider a civil right, to be a State issue. How is letting the States determine two people's legal right to get married increasing freedom? Is that not actually restricting their freedom? Do I hate freedom for thinking it should be a federal issue?
Number one, marriage should have nothing to do with the government. Secondly, I don't care about state rights at all. Lastly, I voted for gay marriage in Maryland, so I don't know why you're bringing this up to me.
3. Market restrictions, properly implemented, protect the value of the dollar, the banking system from collapsing, and protect people from having the financial lives destroyed. Could it not be said that restricting the freedom of the financial sector from doing whatever it wants is increasing the freedom of individuals as they're less likely to have their lives destroyed by a collapse like we saw in the '20s and in 2008? Do I hate freedom for believing that there should be laws restricting what a bank can do with my grandpa's 401k?
We'd have to really sort out what is malicious vs what is incidental. Generally, I would err on the side of less restriction.
1. What did Congressman Paul say that people laughed at that you think implementing would increase the freedom of American's as a whole? Or, what are the valid points he makes that you agree with that other people think make him sound like a crazy person?
Not throwing people in jail for drug use, defending economic liberty, democracy being the enemy of the minority...
2. Ron Paul believes that marriage between two unrelated consenting adults or full mental capacity with the ability to make personal decisions that do not require a guardian of the same sex is not a federal issue. He believes it, what many consider a civil right, to be a State issue. How is letting the States determine two people's legal right to get married increasing freedom? Is that not actually restricting their freedom? Do I hate freedom for thinking it should be a federal issue?
Number one, marriage should have nothing to do with the government. Secondly, I don't care about state rights at all. Lastly, I voted for gay marriage in Maryland, so I don't know why you're bringing this up to me.
3. Market restrictions, properly implemented, protect the value of the dollar, the banking system from collapsing, and protect people from having the financial lives destroyed. Could it not be said that restricting the freedom of the financial sector from doing whatever it wants is increasing the freedom of individuals as they're less likely to have their lives destroyed by a collapse like we saw in the '20s and in 2008? Do I hate freedom for believing that there should be laws restricting what a bank can do with my grandpa's 401k?
We'd have to really sort out what is malicious vs what is incidental. Generally, I would err on the side of less restriction.
nVidiot_Whore
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His "raw milk" mention likely has more to do with how and why the government actually enforces the ban, rather than simply limiting people's freedom to drink raw milk.
The revolving door between agriculture industry and government regulator positions that oversee those industries in this country is one of the more obvious "conspiracies" that nobody seems to care about.
The revolving door between agriculture industry and government regulator positions that oversee those industries in this country is one of the more obvious "conspiracies" that nobody seems to care about.
Reading comprehension
"and there was no requirement to label it as such"
That goes more into the realm of very few governmental regulations, though.
CHEEZMO
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CHEEZMO™;44353658 said:
Crap I think you proved my statement wrong!
Yes, to proclaim that based on current conditions the dollar will collapse is very much crazy talk.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Did he say the government should have no requirements to label raw milk? If not, why the hell are you suggesting that?
You obviously value freedom. You're rare around here.
Not rare at all. Just because people who value liberty are not as outspoken on issues on GAF doesn't mean we don't exist.
This is upsetting as he's probably one of the only US members of congress who adopts libertarian values.
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I don't see whats so crazy about promoting discussions of such issues. Should we not discuss certain issues because they carry scary connotations? He believes the dollar is approaching a breaking point. His prediction is irresponsible policy will result in the dollar collapsing. If this happens it is his belief that state's may succeed from the USA. There are a lot of ifs in that Youtube message but it is a welcome change for he rejects the typical rhetoric you hear on news media websites and television programs in favor of intelligent discussion.
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