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[Sanjuro]

The simple answer to both sides of every argument possibly conceived from a discussion about "The Transformers" is that both parties end up sounding retarded. Pretty much everybody is right about what they are talking about initially then stray off in denial to cater a claim further.

It is a movie based loosely off a line of action figure toys that became a cartoon/comic book series with the intention of adding more characters to boost sales (or just releasing the figure hoping it looked rad enough). The films clearly throw in little bits of fan service without any depth to not alienate boys with popped collars from the "Fast and the Furious" crowd or people that enjoy destruction pictures. The films are loaded with obscene amount of product placement and are made to make an incredible amount of cash for all parties involved by creating a soulless commercial that lasts a couple hours.

That all being said, I grew up enjoying the advertisements and I will lie to you that I didn't get goosebumps during the "Arrival to Earth" from the first film. I enjoyed the first film and enjoy Michael Bay's sense of action direction. It appears this sequel will have more of that so I will go and enjoy it. When I want my deep flavorful films, they usually arrive around November sometime or I get foreign recommendations.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Too bad there wasn't anything super cool for the crew gear on this new one like we had for the first one. The Autobot mechanic shirt was awesome:

 

[kojacker]

i dont particularly care about robot character development, in fact i wish some robots had less character development ("IM SO EXCITED IM SO EXCITED")

I want to see Transformers. I want to watch giant robots kicking ass, with stupidly over-the-top weapons, blowing stuff into oblivion. I dont want to see the shitty love story of Sam Whateverhis2ndnameis with some robots thrown into it. The balance of human shit/robots is ass about face.

Spoiler

In the original cartoon film it was so sad when Optimus died. This time it was almost a blessed relief to get that scene over and get closer to the end of the film. Quite frankly they could kill the whole lot of them, and the humans, and the world and restart it somewhere else for all the emotional involvement i have with this re-imagining.

If there is a third part to come, please let Bay nowhere near it. Or we'll have exactly the same movie again but scraping even further into the already empty barrel of Bayhumour - Arcee acting that scene out of Basic Instinct, flashing some sort of mechanical vag, while Mudflap chuggs a beer and farts on Skidz's face - "Pussy"

 

[Insertia]

Thanks for the review duckroll. I'm seeing it.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Was this ever posted here?

Transforminator trailer

 

[Zabka]

Bwomp

thx 4 spoilers

 

[Plinko]

They speak in clichéd urban slang, tossing around phrases like “I’m gonna pop a cap in your ass” while fist bumping and mumbling unintelligently in a voice that sounds like a bad Chappelle Show sketch. Then you get a close up. And they each have bug eyes and a gold tooth. Then there’s this jackass comment about them not being able to read.

Wow. I can't wait for the inevitable backlash in regards to this.

 

[Expendable.]

While I'm writing my full review now I just hate it more and more. I'm shocked how bad it actually was. Excited to hear Gaffer's opinions.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

This might also be posted already, but whatever. Here's some numbers, now that Mr. Bay's made them public last week:

Robots

* 14 robots last time, 46 robots this time (ILM only)
* If you had all the gold ever mined in the history of man, you could build a little more than half of Devastator.
* Optimus Prime will be life size on IMAX screens in many forest fight shots.
* Devastator’s hand is traveling 390 miles per hour when he punches the pyramid.
* The pyramid destruction simulation was 8 times bigger than the old rigid simulation all-time record holder at ILM.
* All robot parts laid out end to end would stretch from one side of California to the other, about 180 miles
* Devastator’s parts stacked tip to tip would be as tall as 58 empire state buildings.
* If all the texture maps on the show were printed on 1 square yard sheets, they would cover 13 football fields.


Disk space

* TF1 took 20 Terabytes of disk space. Trans2 took 145 Terabytes. Seven times bigger!
* 145 terabytes would fill 35,000 DVDs. Stacked one on top of the other without storage cases, they would be 145 feet tall.


Rendering times

* If you rendered the entire movie on a modern home PC, you would have had to start the renders 16,000 years ago (when cave paintings like the Hall of Bulls were being made) to finish for this year’s premiere!
* A single imax shot in the movie (df250) would have taken almost 3 years to render on a top of the line home PC running nonstop.
* IMAX frame render times: As high as 72 hours per frame!


Imax

* Optimus Prime will be life size on IMAX screens in many forest fight shots.
* Imax frames take about 6 times longer than anamorphic to render.
* IMAX frame render times: As high as 72 hours per frame!


ILM screen time

* ILM Screen Time is about 51 minutes.


Devastator

* Devastator is as tall as a 10 story building.
* Devastator has more than 10 times the number of individual parts found in an average car.
* Laid out end to end, Devastator’s parts would be almost 14 miles long.

Devastator totals

* Number of geom pieces: 52632
* The total number of polygons: 11,716,127
* The total length of all pieces: 73090 feet
* The total length of all pieces: 13.84 miles

 

[DMczaf]

This might also be posted already, but whatever. Here's some numbers, now that Mr. Bay's made them public last week:

How many players in online multiplayer?

 

[NameGenerated]

Man, I wish I could see this in IMAX.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

How many players in online multiplayer?

Five to six thousand. That's how many processors are available to the renderfarm anyway.

 

[Jim]

Wow. I can't wait for the inevitable backlash in regards to this.

I was kinda cringing to be honest.

 

[DMczaf]

Five to six thousand. That's how many processors are available to the renderfarm anyway.

How many Terabytes will it take for you guys to make Mickey Rourke look human again in IM2?

 

[Desperado]

spoiler

Oh come on. Anyone that knows about the animated film knows what you're referencing, even without highlighting the spoiler text. Thanks for giving away that it happens in this movie... *facepalm*

 

[XiaNaphryz]

How many Terabytes will it take for you guys to make Mickey Rourke look human again in IM2?

Depends on how much the budget is.

 

[kojacker]

Oh come on. Anyone that knows about the animated film knows what you're referencing, even without highlighting the spoiler text.... *facepalm*

oh ffs, Im sorry... but the words 'original cartoon' and 'sad' could relate to a number of things .. anyway i've spoilered tagged the entire paragraph in my original post now.

 

[Sapiens]

29%

It's going to have a huge opening, but hopefully, the bad word of mouth will keep it from having legs.

 

[Spider from Mars]

29%

It's going to have a huge opening, but hopefully, the bad word of mouth will keep it from having legs.

Wishful thinking. I think Harry Potter is one of the only movies that has a legitimate shot at beating this film at the Box Office.

 

[soul creator]

This might also be posted already, but whatever. Here's some numbers, now that Mr. Bay's made them public last week:

missing stat: How many times Shia says "No"

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Wishful thinking. I think Harry Potter is one of the only movies that has a legitimate shot at beating this film at the Box Office.

I don't think Harry has a chance.

I could be wrong, and I haven't exactly kept up with how that franchise has been doing. But it seems to me like that franchise isn't the hot ticket it once was.

 

[industrian]

Devastator totals

* Number of geom pieces: 52632
* The total number of polygons: 11,716,127
* The total length of all pieces: 73090 feet
* The total length of all pieces: 13.84 miles

Do you want to explain this to the Gaming-Age crowd in a way they'll be able to understand it? As in: post gifs of it next to some Uncharted 2 gifs and wait for them to say that UC2 is "artistically better so it looks better".

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

The simple answer to both sides of every argument possibly conceived from a discussion about "The Transformers" is that both parties end up sounding retarded. Pretty much everybody is right about what they are talking about initially then stray off in denial to cater a claim further.

It is a movie based loosely off a line of action figure toys that became a cartoon/comic book series with the intention of adding more characters to boost sales (or just releasing the figure hoping it looked rad enough). The films clearly throw in little bits of fan service without any depth to not alienate boys with popped collars from the "Fast and the Furious" crowd or people that enjoy destruction pictures. The films are loaded with obscene amount of product placement and are made to make an incredible amount of cash for all parties involved by creating a soulless commercial that lasts a couple hours.

That all being said, I grew up enjoying the advertisements and I will lie to you that I didn't get goosebumps during the "Arrival to Earth" from the first film. I enjoyed the first film and enjoy Michael Bay's sense of action direction. It appears this sequel will have more of that so I will go and enjoy it. When I want my deep flavorful films, they usually arrive around November sometime or I get foreign recommendations.

A little bit of calm demeanor, finally. People saying that the first film was completely devoid of enjoyment had me smh so hard my neck snapped. These films are adult saturday morning cartoons. Devoid of any attempt at a greater meaning, but still great for the entertainment they provide.

missing stat: How many times Shia says "No"

Now, seriously guys, how many American flags are in this movie?

 

[Solo]

Theres at least one shown in the trailer.

 

[Dabanton]

Wishful thinking. I think Harry Potter is one of the only movies that has a legitimate shot at beating this film at the Box Office.

Exactly reviews mean nothing for this kind of film. It's going to open big, very big.

missing stat: How many times Shia says "No"

I don't think he actually says it much during this film he must have been aware of the pisstaking. :lol

 

[Gary Whitta]

Catching this in IMAX at 12:01 tonight! Boooyah!

 

[Solo]

Exactly reviews mean nothing for this kind of film. It's going to open big, very big.

Of course its going to open huge - that was NEVER in question. Hell, had this opened on a Friday, it could very well have topped TDK as the highest grossing opening weekend ever.

Only difference is, if the WOM truly is bad this time (I dont know if it will be or not yet, obviously), then it wont have the legs of the first one. Revisionist history aside, TF1 generally had positive WOM.

 

[Kweh]

Who was the green truck Decepticon that looked like G1 Devastator at the end in Egypt?

 

[Sapiens]

Exactly reviews mean nothing for this kind of film. It's going to open big, very big.

I already made that concession. This film may break records on it's first five days. I would count on it.

But with a 29% Rotten score and even fans of the first film feeling disappointed, the eventual totals may be disappointing.

 

[BorkBork]

I don't think Harry has a chance.

I could be wrong, and I haven't exactly kept up with how that franchise has been doing. But it seems to me like that franchise isn't the hot ticket it once was.

OOTP pulled in 940 million worldwide, almost 300 domestic. Pretty much on par or higher than the average for the series. I think TF2 will gross more, barring some crazy bad dropoff due to the negative reviews, but Half blood Prince will give it a run for its money.

 

[Gantz]

29%

It's going to have a huge opening, but hopefully, the bad word of mouth will keep it from having legs.

No one I know wants to see it and I know a lot of people. They also got a good chuckle from Ebert's review. They all agreed to wait for Blu-ray on Netflix.

 

[DMczaf]

Of course its going to open huge - that was NEVER in question. Only difference is, if the WOM truly is bad this time (I dont know if it will be or not yet, obviously), then it wont have the legs of the first one. Revisionist history aside, TF1 generally had positive WOM.

People forget Spider-Man 3 had the biggest 3 day opening ever, yet it finished $40 mil behind SM2 and $70 mil behind SM1. These big budget, big hype sequels still rely a lot on WOM.

 

[critch]

Exactly reviews mean nothing for this kind of film. It's going to open big, very big.

It's gonna open big but it's gonna sink like a stone. Good word of mouth is important so the drops are small. Look at Star Trek and Up versus Wolverine, for example. Star Trek is gonna hit 250 million off of a 72 mil opening, and Up had a smaller one than that. Hell, Hangover might even hit it. Wolverine had horrific drops and will end up around 175-180. Look at Terminator's drops. It'll still be #1 for the year but it may not make what the first one did, especially with Harry Potter coming down the pike, which won't over take it but will knock it's legs off.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Indeed.

The backlash against TF1 mostly came long after it was out of theaters. I don't see this new one doing as well as the original, but it's first week should be enough to build enough momentum to keep it going long enough to reach #1 over the long summer haul.

There really isn't a lot of competition coming up, either, with the exception of Ice Age 3, which should overtake it's place as #1 at the BO, and Harry Potter, which is not only a long ways off, but it also appeals to a different audience and demographic.

 

[Dabanton]

Of course its going to open huge - that was NEVER in question. Only difference is, if the WOM truly is bad this time (I dont know if it will be or not yet, obviously), then it wont have the legs of the first one. Revisionist history aside, TF1 generally had positive WOM.

I think it will have good WOM i'm surprised at some peoples ott outraged reactions to the film what were they excepting?

I've seen it twice now both crowds i saw it with liked it. There was a nice buzz through the screenings and applause at the end.

No one I know wants to see it and I know a lot of people. They also got a good chuckle from Ebert's review. They all agreed to wait for Blu-ray on Netflix.

I find your hatred for the film amusing and slightly pathetic.

 

[Substance]

having a ball reading these reviews. the excess of this movie is hilarious. must be a total nightmare in imax

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Do you want to explain this to the Gaming-Age crowd in a way they'll be able to understand it? As in: post gifs of it next to some Uncharted 2 gifs and wait for them to say that UC2 is "artistically better so it looks better".

Well, those numbers alone wouldn't be enough for a fair comparison. You also have to consider that it's being rendered at 4k resolution (4096 x 3112).

I think Nathan was around 30k for polycount?

 

[critch]

Indeed.

The backlash against TF1 mostly came long after it was out of theaters. I don't see this new one doing as well as the original, but it's first week should be enough to build enough momentum to keep it going long enough to reach #1 over the long summer haul.

There really isn't a lot of competition coming up, either, with the exception of Ice Age 3, which should overtake it's place as #1 at the BO, and Harry Potter, which is not only a long ways off, but it also appeals to a different audience and demographic.

The only backlash against TF1 came from the same people that were bashing it in the first place, the internet. This time it's getting worse reviews and it's longer, which will cut down on showings as well.

I'm starting to wonder if this will hit 300 mil or not.

 

[Dead]

The only backlash against TF1 came from the same people that were bashing it in the first place, the internet. This time it's getting worse reviews and it's longer, which will cut down on showings as well.

I'm starting to wonder if this will hit 300 mil or not.

Its 6 minutes longer than the first movie...

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

OOTP pulled in 940 million worldwide, almost 300 domestic. Pretty much on par or higher than the average for the series. I think TF2 will gross more, barring some crazy bad dropoff due to the negative reviews, but Half blood Prince will give it a run for its money.

Hmm, you could be right. It seems that each film has done around 300 million or so domestically since the very first one did well over that. That would indicate a very slight decline in overall ticket sales if you count hikes in ticket prices, but that would probably mean that the next one should do around 300 million again. That might be enough to take down Transformers 2. I don't see TF2 doing better than that.

So, you're right.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

No one I know wants to see it and I know a lot of people..

:lol :lol :lol

AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

What's the word on 'Public Enemies', that John Dillinger thriller with Johnny Depp and Christian Bale?

That should do reasonably well, even though it carries an 'R' rating with it. The trailers looked pretty good. I don't see it being a mega blockbuster like TF2 or Star Trek, but it might be enough to knock some of the wind out of TF2's sails.

 

[Solo]

What's the word on 'Public Enemies', that John Dillinger thriller with Johnny Depp and Christian Bale?.

Mixed reaction, ie. love it or hate it. Doesnt really matter though, Michael Mann's movies are never huge earners.

 

[Solo]

Oh man, just read Ebert's review - that is classic :lol

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I just wanted to say that I just got finished watching 'The Rock'. I was compelled to pull out my old DVD and watch it again after talking about it in this thread and I'm glad I did.

Such a terrific, fantastic movie. Who says Michael Bay can't direct? 'The Rock' is anything but brainless. It's actually one of the smartest 'popcorn flicks' that I've ever seen.

 

[ZROCOOL]

Reading Duckroll's review makes me wanna see it tonight!!

But I can't.......... STUPID WORK!!!

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Nothing in ROTF is as bad as the hackers subplot in TF1, so I was happy with that. The characters worked well off each other imo, and the new human characters while underdeveloped, don't really have a ton of screen time anyway. There is a TON of robot/human interaction, so it was nice to see many scenes involving human characters interacting with robots. In the first movie it was more about discovery, and in this sequel the theme is definitely acceptance. Humans have to accept that the robots are now part of our world, and we see how things work out.

Eh I don't know, I thought the whole

Spoiler

Indiana jones type bullshit in Egypt was horrible and part of the reason why the pacing felt so shitty.

 

[industrian]

Well, those numbers alone wouldn't be enough for a fair comparison. You also have to consider that it's being rendered at 4k resolution (4096 x 3112).

I think Nathan was around 30k for polycount?

Twas a joke, good sir.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

I just wanted to say that I just got finished watching 'The Rock'. I was compelled to pull out my old DVD and watch it again after talking about it in this thread and I'm glad I did.

Such a terrific, fantastic movie. Who says Michael Bay can't direct? 'The Rock' is anything but brainless. It's actually one of the smartest 'popcorn flicks' that I've ever seen.

and yet he hasnt' made a great movie, or at least anything CLOSE to The Rock since then.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Yeah...

You know, I find it so hard to believe that Sean Connery has been in but ONE film since 'Finding Forrester'. It seems like ages ago that I bought that as one of my first DVDs.

I can't say that every movie he's ever been in was a great movie, but I CAN say that he's made every movie he's ever been in a better one. It's such a pity he doesn't do movies anymore.