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[Hermii]

Is that because the idea of Nintendo having a console more powerful than its competitors three years later is unbelievable? There's nothing mind unusual or mind blowing in the OP. And it's not the first time we've heard any of it.

I do find it kind of unbelievable they will make a relatively big and power hungry box, as it would mark a huge shift in design philosophy.

How much power consumption would it take to be a PS4+ 3 years later? I doubt they can do it under 50 watt which is a lot for a Nintendo console.

 

[Maxrunner]

Almost 3000 posts and still no real reason to think any of this is true.

Why not ? It sure would explain the dumb ps4k.

 

[Nanashrew]

Almost 3000 posts and still no real reason to think any of this is true.

Did you look in the other thread and search up LCGeek's posts, or Thraktor's?

 

[Meesh]

Did you look in the other thread and search up LCGeek's posts, or Thraktor's?

Those should almost be in the OP, or at least a summary of them, they were helpful.

 

[Nanashrew]

Those should almost be in the OP, or at least a summary of them, they were helpful.

Definitely. They were the most informational in the last thread.

 

[Peterc]

I'd love that but I doubt it.

Nintendo builds its Mario games based off the hardware. 64 was about 3D traversal so you had big open spaced levels.

GameCube was just a more powerful n64 so they decided to do something whacky.

Galaxy was built around the Wii remote (gravity pointing with Wii remote) and it's hardware limitations (the Wii only rendering the planets Mario was on at that time, so each planet was like a small level).

If the NX is about power this time, you'll likely get a game returning to large levels again and a large hub like Super Mario 64.


Nintendo has enough 2D platformers. Plus Mario maker is coming. No need for that series. Unless Nintendo likes sales of games and stuff

I want a new galaxy, it's one of the best games ever.
It was just magical


Beside that:

Super Mario Galaxy 3 possible, but not before Nintendo's next console
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-hardware-technology-gets-better-and-advances


and

We're always thinking, is there a middle ground where people who do enjoy the 3D worlds of Galaxy and those who enjoy New Super Mario Bros. can both enjoy it? We're always looking at those opportunities,

On the other hand, me and [Yoshiaki] Koizumi-san, director of Galaxy, are always looking to challenge Galaxy and do another 3D action title, […] However we can't make so many games at once in parallel.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Super-Mario-Galaxy-3-Way-Here-What-Nintendo-Says-84217.html

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Definitely. They were the most informational in the last thread.

I suppose I could but LCGeek's post isn't anything new that hasn't been said in the OP (i.e. the NX is more powerful than the PS4) plus post itself is kind of negative. I have no idea the Thraktor said though.

 

[Jackano]

I do find it kind of unbelievable they will make a relatively big and power hungry box, as it would mark a huge shift in design philosophy.

You're right but what I find truly unbelievable, is that they still go in this direction.
I don't think there is a single consumer survey that place power-saving as a selling point when buying a hardware.
Imagine surveying people in the street and asking what they want when buying a console. People wants games to play alone or with their friends, some gamers will say "powerful", but no one will ask for a low power consumption hardware. This ain't a f***ing fridge.

And obviously, ps3/4 and xbox success (even more compared to Wii U) proved that it doesn't matter.

That said I -sadly- don't except them to entirely drop that, but at least I hope they will not shoot themselves in the foot again by making it a top priority.

 

[Kurt]

I want a new galaxy, it's one of the best games ever.
It was just magical


Beside that:

Super Mario Galaxy 3 possible, but not before Nintendo's next console
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-hardware-technology-gets-better-and-advances

You have games like gta and so on that are great games.
Then you have games that create memories, then we talking about games like mario galaxy. We need those games.

 

[Nanashrew]

I suppose I could but LCGeek's post isn't anything new that hasn't been said in the OP (i.e. the NX is more powerful than the PS4) plus post itself is kind of negative. I have no idea the Thraktor said though.

I think all it really needs is LCGeeks part about the CPU. Their perspective is skewed more, true, but they also have reasons to be with how this generation got stuck with very awful CPUs which have been nothing but bottlenecks for the consoles.

amd 8350 stock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NX>>>>> X1 >> PS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wii U

That's the relevant part for the CPU talk.

And Thraktor's incredibly long post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200252918&postcount=1968

 

[Peterc]

It's crazy to see howmany gamesites taking nx information from neogaf.


Also found this game engine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbMpqqCCrFQ
Wonder if Nx could run it

 

[MoonFrog]

Definitely. They were the most informational in the last thread.

I love reading them even if I do not understand any of it .

They should start speaking in animal and craft analogies.

 

[Duckhuntdog]

Speak for yourself. There's a rather grand debate about it on GAF that gets regularly re-ignited.



I will never discount the good ideas Iwata brought to the table. Wii was something in the right place at the right time. A lot of what the NX is will be a part of his legacy. He understood the industry quite well.

But Iwata was not without his failings. Being slow to react was one of his more aggressive recurring faults, the other being a lack of aggressive business tactics, which is partly what killed the Wii. They just couldn't deliver when consumers wanted more than what they were getting with the Wii and a failure to capitalize on this in time was what led to the Wii U, a platform that was 2-3 years too late to make a difference.

I don't think we know enough about Kimishima to really know what he's going to do with the legacy that Iwata left for him to steer. We can certainly speculate on it, and he's said some very strongly encouraging things, but until we see momentum in one direction or the other, we can't really see him as any sort of solution to Nintendo's problems.

I dunno, but what I see from Kimishima so far, he already looks to be miles better a CEO than Iwata. Sure Iwata was affable, but he had too many problems and issues that he just refused to fix or ignored. You can't have a CEO come out and say he was out of touch with the western market. Iwata really started to stumble again and again the last few years.

At least Kimishima looks to be engaging western third-parties if the rumored EA meetings with demands are true. That alone puts him above Iwata's tired old promise of fixing third-party relations and then taking no action. Hopefully Kimishima returns autonomy to NoA.

 

[Airbar]

This is such a dumb point.

They obviously tried to lure the expanded audience again and didn't just double down on Mario, Mario and Zelda.

You'd have to be wilfully ignorant to handwave the all those sequels to DS/Wii's expanded audience software, or even their in-house attempt to get some of the shooter audience on board.
Or JRPG players by funding Tokyo mirage session and Xenoblade X.
Or the characters action fans by funding W101 and Bayonetta 2 and publishing Ninja Gaiden 3 RE.

They absolutely are trying to reach out, it just didn't quite work so far.

The thing is, those games already cater to a specific niche. It is games like Dark Souls 3, Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and the likes that show the general "gaming populace" that Nintendo has both those "core" titles like the other two consoles but also their own exclusive games.

I know that it really is an uphill battle they have to fight, but a game like Tokyo Mirage Session e.g. doesn't cater to either the FE crowd or the SMT crowd but an even smaller niche. Citing this as a major JRPG is kind of flawed. And then all you have left is XenoX.

The thing is, and that is totally just my opinion, that consoles get sold by sequels. It is down to whatever console has what "brands" of core games. Just look at Sunset Overdrive which seems to be a great game (haven't played it myself) and yet sold so poorly.

To really compete with PS4 and XBone Nintendo would have to release a console that has all those multiplatform games AND plays them the best of the three while also having a number of exclusive games besides Mario/Zelda/etc. that don't only cater to a specific niche.

 

[Ad0ve]

Maybe they will do Mario Galaxy 3 but not in name, like maybe Mario Universe but the game is still about traversing through planets and stuff. I think it would be weird to have a numbered sequel as the NX flagship Mario

 

[Meesh]

At least Kimishima looks to be engaging western third-parties if the rumored EA meetings with demands are true. That alone puts him above Iwata's tired old promise of fixing third-party relations and then taking no action. Hopefully Kimishima returns autonomy to NoA.

His stern face reminds me of Yamauchi for some reason lol :3 Good to hear he's a man of action though, Nintendo certainly can't be resting on their laurels (so to speak), it's do or die time.

 

[MarkMclovin]

This happens everytime!

Don't do this to yourselves, Gaf.

 

[Matbtz]

I want a new galaxy, it's one of the best games ever.
It was just magical

Beside that:

Super Mario Galaxy 3 possible, but not before Nintendo's next console
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-hardware-technology-gets-better-and-advances

and

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Super-Mario-Galaxy-3-Way-Here-What-Nintendo-Says-84217.html

Yeah Nintendo could do Galaxy 3 but I would want them to do something entirely new. A new concept like Sunshine or Galaxy.
I would love to have that feeling of open world with the Hub like in 64 or Sunshine. I spent so much time just exploring, jumping on the roofs of Delphino plaza, chilling at the beach and playing with coconuts and so on.

 

[Nanashrew]

Well, if we're talking business, Kimishima was the logical choice right now. He comes from a business background and worked in banking dealing with international business and was posted in the US a very long time before joining TPC as chief financial officer, then he became president of Pokemon USA. Later, Yamauchi retired, and there was a lot of reshuffling of executive staff. Minoru Arakawa would also retire and Kimishima became his successor at NoA.

Now it's 2016 and he's president of NCL.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

I suppose I could but LCGeek's post isn't anything new that hasn't been said in the OP (i.e. the NX is more powerful than the PS4) plus post itself is kind of negative. I have no idea the Thraktor said though.

I think what goes in the OP should stick strictly to what comes from 10k. He goes through the process of getting his info checked out thoroughly by the mods here.

 

[Terrell]

I dunno, but what I see from Kimishima so far, he already looks to be miles better a CEO than Iwata. Sure Iwata was affable, but he had too many problems and issues that he just refused to fix or ignored. You can't have a CEO come out and say he was out of touch with the western market. Iwata really started to stumble again and again the last few years.

At least Kimishima looks to be engaging western third-parties if the rumored EA meetings with demands are true. That alone puts him above Iwata's tired old promise of fixing third-party relations and then taking no action. Hopefully Kimishima returns autonomy to NoA.

Any sort of momentum has yet to be provably seen and this year will be Kimishima working with what Iwata left for him. If developers are interested in NX, well... NX wasn't Kimishima's brainchild.

As I mentioned, Iwata was a good businessman with an understanding of the realities of the situation, but wasn't moving fast enough to keep pace with how the market changed and what consumers held valuable. Success or failure of the NX is going to depend on if Iwata actually tried to change that issue he had and greenlit NX as a forward-thinking device (or devices).

All Kimishima will be able to do is take the lines Iwata inked on paper and colour within them. That will be where we start to see the difference between the two of them.

Because, as we learned with Iwata, words are important but actual actions are better. And we haven't really seen any actions from him that change anything about what Nintendo is moving forward that Iwata hadn't already mapped out.

 

[poodaddy]

I'm just curious about whether owning those 4 games digitally on Wii U may possibly lead to a discount for the NX ports. I don't expect it, but man that'd be wonderful.

 

[Peterc]

Yeah Nintendo could do Galaxy 3 but I would want them to do something entirely new. A new concept like Sunshine or Galaxy.
I would love to have that feeling of open world with the Hub like in 64 or Sunshine. I spent so much time just exploring, jumping on the roofs of Delphino plaza, chilling at the beach and playing with coconuts and so on.

Sunshine doesn't fit as a mario game. I hope we will not getting something like that back anytime soon. It was better if they put some other character in it.

 

[Piichan]

I'm just curious about whether owning those 4 games digitally on Wii U may possibly lead to a discount for the NX ports. I don't expect it, but man that'd be wonderful.

That's what I'm hoping too. Would be a good incentive for Wii U owners to make the jump to NX. But a large part of Wii U owners are already Nintendo fans, so they will probably buy the NX immediately anyway... I know I will lol.

 

[ika]

Reading through the thread I started thinking that at the very same time we're discussing these rumors, Nintendo employees must be doing some of the following at Kyoto HQ:

-Finalizing target designs for the console, controller and other peripherals.
-Deciding color schemes, logos, typography and basic marketing between several options.
-Working on technical demos, playable demos and trailers.
-Testing latest stable build of NX OS in prototypes destined to E3/press event.
-Sending memos to key third parties about deadlines for E3 demos/trailers.
-Maybe recording/editing the next Nintendo Direct and designing/sending invitations for the press.
-Recording interviews with Nintendo engineers, designers and third party members about development.
-Recording promotional videos with actors showing the new controller possibilities (and non-specific-action-figure).
-Magic.

...right now, as we speak, they're working frenetically against the clock, designing, touching, playing the NX...

it's almost here...

hype!

 

[nikatapi]

Yeah Nintendo could do Galaxy 3 but I would want them to do something entirely new. A new concept like Sunshine or Galaxy.
I would love to have that feeling of open world with the Hub like in 64 or Sunshine. I spent so much time just exploring, jumping on the roofs of Delphino plaza, chilling at the beach and playing with coconuts and so on.

That would be awesome. For me Sunshine is such an amazing game, despite its flaws.

 

[Neff]

Well, people acted like if the N64 was the lowest Nintendo could do, then the GCN set the bar lower and now the Wii U is the worst of the worst. I can see the NX selling less than ~13 million.

It's easy to say that there's a clear and decisive chart of decline if one conveniently ignores the Wii, but there's also very palpable reasons behind the sales of each of Nintendo's hardware efforts, and they're very different. Today's gaming landscape is again unique, as seemingly is Nintendo's pitch with NX, so it doesn't really tell us much historically speaking. Nintendo will need to play their hand well, but there's equal room for success as well as failure for them in the mainstream console market considering the relative decline of 1st party must haves, the rise of PC gaming, and Sony/MS' new found conservatism after last gen's devastating loss leading war.

 

[civilstrife]

NintendoLand fireworks in 4k to end E3.

You just gave me flashbacks.

"And now a special treat to cap off the night..."

...

"Fireworks from Nintendoland!"

Who in their right mind thought that was the way to handle a console reveal?

 

[Kurt]

Sunshine doesn't fit as a mario game. I hope we will not getting something like that back anytime soon. It was better if they put some other character in it.

Agree, it's a slow game. Yes the gameplay is fast, i know. But when you need to destroy pirana plants en dirth , it's slow.

This game was better off with another character then mario. Like they did with splatoon.

Mario should be mario.
I'm hoping for mario galaxy game or a new mario open world with backtracking from castle to castle collecting new power ups (metroid wise)

 

[Possumowner]

This happens everytime!

Don't do this to yourselves, Gaf.

It's to late...were to deep now

 

[Phoenixus]

I'm just curious about whether owning those 4 games digitally on Wii U may possibly lead to a discount for the NX ports. I don't expect it, but man that'd be wonderful.

Hopefully. I'll be sore about not having BC with the NX if that is the case, but it would be for the greater good and some sort of upgrade discount would soften the blow quite a bit.

Spoiler

Plus the WiiU is small enough to keep in my entertainment centre anyway, so it won't be too bad.

 

[E-phonk]

Maybe they will do Mario Galaxy 3 but not in name, like maybe Mario Universe but the game is still about traversing through planets and stuff. I think it would be weird to have a numbered sequel as the NX flagship Mario

Universe has to happen someday, if only to finalise the mario evolution:
Super Mario Land > Super Mario World > Super Mario Galaxy > Super Mario Universe

 

[MoonFrog]

It's easy to say that there's a clear and decisive chart of decline if one conveniently ignores the Wii, but there's also very palpable reasons behind the sales of each of Nintendo's hardware efforts, and they're very different. Today's gaming landscape is again unique, as seemingly is Nintendo's pitch with NX, so it doesn't really tell us much historically speaking. Nintendo will need to play their hand well, but there's equal room for success as well as failure for them in the mainstream console market considering the relative decline of 1st party must haves, the rise of PC gaming, and Sony/MS' new found conservatism after last gen's devastating loss leading war.

I will never understand this statistical fatalism that refuses to look at the various hardware situations as they were, ignores the Wii, and proclaims that 'on the next generation the Nintendo will die, so it has been written in teh charts and so shall it be.'

Nintendo's decisions and their 'luck' with said decisions will decide NX's fate. Not some damn chart.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

I dunno, but what I see from Kimishima so far, he already looks to be miles better a CEO than Iwata. Sure Iwata was affable, but he had too many problems and issues that he just refused to fix or ignored. You can't have a CEO come out and say he was out of touch with the western market. Iwata really started to stumble again and again the last few years.

At least Kimishima looks to be engaging western third-parties if the rumored EA meetings with demands are true. That alone puts him above Iwata's tired old promise of fixing third-party relations and then taking no action. Hopefully Kimishima returns autonomy to NoA.

You are basically speaking out of your ass with all those assumptions. The SAME talks are had before every hardware launch. With every publisher. You can't just write a check to get games. EA dipped their toes on the Wii U (as half assed as an ME3 port is a month after they released the ME trilogy box) and rightfully bailed when it didn't even sell out over Christmas. And how you can perceive any strategy kimishima has when the company hasn't launched any hardware or software that started under him is particularly amazing.

 

[KingBroly]

I dunno, but what I see from Kimishima so far, he already looks to be miles better a CEO than Iwata. Sure Iwata was affable, but he had too many problems and issues that he just refused to fix or ignored. You can't have a CEO come out and say he was out of touch with the western market. Iwata really started to stumble again and again the last few years.

At least Kimishima looks to be engaging western third-parties if the rumored EA meetings with demands are true. That alone puts him above Iwata's tired old promise of fixing third-party relations and then taking no action. Hopefully Kimishima returns autonomy to NoA.

I'm going to stop you there with the Kimishima love for just a second. He hasn't been in control that long, so we don't know what Iwata started and what Kimishima started with NX, okay? As far as Nintendo's led us to believe, this was stuff he laid out, but Kimishima being given credit for stuff that he may not have had a hand in is simply unacceptable.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

I will never understand this statistical fatalism that refuses to look at the various hardware situations as they were, ignores the Wii, and proclaims that 'on the next generation the Nintendo will die, so it has been written in teh charts and so shall it be.'

Nintendo's decisions and their 'luck' with said decisions will decide NX's fate. Not some damn chart.

It's not good business to throw shit at the wall and rely on luck to decide the fate of your next flagship product. The chances that Nintendo will achieve the same success they did with the Wii is slim to none. Sure, there's a tiny tiny possibility as you can never 100% rule anything out, but market trends, data, demographics etc. are a thing, and they're not in Nintendo's favour.

 

[blu]

You just gave me flashbacks.

"And now a special treat to cap off the night..."

...

"Fireworks from Nintendoland!"

Who in their right mind thought that was the way to handle a console reveal?

I loved the fireworks from nintendoland, but that was only after I had beaten the game. It did give a nice sense of accomplishment.

 

[Nanashrew]

Anything after the console's launch will largely be Kimishima as Iwata is no longer around to guide all of his ideas through this new generation. There could be some guidelines a bit after, but many could and will diverge because of his passing and new leadership.

For NX itself and what it may be, that was wholly Iwata. It's also why we still use his statements because that will all be used for the NX. Everything after is Kimishima.

 

[Jackano]

I'm going to stop you there with the Kimishima love for just a second. He hasn't been in control that long, so we don't know what Iwata started and what Kimishima started with NX, okay? As far as Nintendo's led us to believe, this was stuff he laid out, but Kimishima being given credit for stuff that he may not have had a hand in is simply unacceptable.

Yeah Kimishima will have nothing to do with NX design, or even mobile business. Let's see how things are in 2017, not before. You don't (and can't) make a shift in NX strategy the year of its release, or even the year before.
Things like third party relationships will take more time too for him to handle in his fashion.
However things he will manage/is managing: NX marketing, and maybe aborting QoL.

 

[Boy Wander]

I dunno, but what I see from Kimishima so far, he already looks to be miles better a CEO than Iwata. Sure Iwata was affable, but he had too many problems and issues that he just refused to fix or ignored. You can't have a CEO come out and say he was out of touch with the western market. Iwata really started to stumble again and again the last few years.

At least Kimishima looks to be engaging western third-parties if the rumored EA meetings with demands are true. That alone puts him above Iwata's tired old promise of fixing third-party relations and then taking no action. Hopefully Kimishima returns autonomy to NoA.

Question: Are you on the board of Nintendo? If not, your second paragraph about Iwata is nonsense as you have no idea about what Iwata or the board did or did not do.

 

[cordy]

Super Mario Universe would be a great name for the next Mario but I can't help but think "Damn, this name would have been perfect on the Wii U" when I think of it. If so then I'd love the game to be a mix of the Galaxy series, 64 series and hell even 1/3 and World. Throw us more stuff from the past. More land, more enemies, bigger immersion on a GTAV level or something.

 

[DrWong]

Anything after the console's launch will largely be Kimishima as Iwata is no longer around to guide all of his ideas through this new generation. There could be some guidelines a bit after, but many could and will diverge because of his passing and new leadership.

For NX itself and what it may be, that was wholly Iwata. It's also why we still use his statements because that will all be used for the NX. Everything after is Kimishima.

It'll be done in agreement with the old guard. I don't think Kimishima is in the same "quitus" position as was Iwata. It's not a movie cast guys.

 

[ninjablade]

Why not ? It sure would explain the dumb ps4k.

Lol no it wouldn't remember ps2 vs gamecube, yes gamecube was more powerful but the ps2 stream rolled it, I can't believe anyone thinks sony is worried about the power of nx, Sony will have a 50 million lead by the time nx launches.

 

[MoonFrog]

It's not good business to throw shit at the wall and rely on luck to decide the fate of your next flagship product. The chances that Nintendo will achieve the same success they did with the Wii is slim to none. Sure, there's a tiny tiny possibility as you can never 100% rule anything out, but market trends, data, demographics etc. are a thing, and they're not in Nintendo's favour.

I said 'luck' not luck . To be clear: I meant the confluence of market factors and the way good ideas do not necessarily equal good result even if executed reasonably well. A large part of most any hit is the R&D, the marketing but also the 'time' it comes out, which is not something wholly determined by the manufacturer. I mean 'time' in the sense of the state of affairs at and around release. Nintendo doesn't control the world, so yes its product will be subject to factors it cannot foresee or control. The idea is to prepare the best product with your best forecast and then to be able to maneuver through what happens next.

Did anyone say anything about a second Wii?! I don't think that will be the barometer of whether or not NX is successful.

...

The point is, Nintendo isn't doomed because of some market trend. It'll be doomed if it cannot react successfully in the changing market. The graph says nothing about that. It is not even good inductive evidence. There are relatively few generations and for it to make any sense it has to throw Wii out. The argument is plain dumb; it always has been.

TBC: An argument from "Nintendo is a conservative company that has a pattern of decision making that shows it doesn't understand changing markets and is slow to change" and then goes through such decisions is much more convincing.

 

[AniHawk]

Lol no it wouldn't remember ps2 vs gamecube, yes gamecube was more powerful but the ps2 stream rolled it, I can't believe anyone thinks sony is worried about the power of nx, Sony will have a 50 million lead by the time nx launches.

why are we comparing the ps4 to a gen 9 platform?

 

[Nanashrew]

It'll be done in agreement with the old guard. I don't think Kimishima is in the same "quitus" position as was Iwata. It's not a movie cast guys.

True. But they won't all have the answers themselves either.

Lol no it wouldn't remember ps2 vs gamecube, yes gamecube was more powerful but the ps2 stream rolled it, I can't believe anyone thinks sony is worried about the power of nx, Sony will have a 50 million lead by the time nx launches.

Yeah, I don't think Sony is worried about power either. But judging by the Playstation fans that keep showing up in the thread and bringing up the PS4K, they seem worried.

Though similar vice versa with how some seem worried about NX with PS4K on the rise when it should make little difference because Sony won't sacrifice the 40-50m people.

 

[Jackano]

Throw us more stuff from the past. More land, more enemies, bigger immersion on a GTAV level or something.

That's the big con I have against how they managed the Mario mainline entries in the recent years: Their recipe is too perfect since Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros, newer entries often feels like the scope of the games is reduced.

Maybe because of that damn kishōtenketsu ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-levels-were-structured-using-chinese-poetry ) game design in 4 steps... It's great and fine tuned, but IMO it lacks the depth of Mario 64 exploration.

Sunshine made the mistake of being too-centered around one theme (the sea/sun), and 3D World kinda had the same thing with casino... I'm sure the next one will have surprise and a new theme and a new gimmick, but I wish it also have both 2D and 3D levels, and 3D exploration levels like SM64.
Especially if it is a launch title, it needs to show off everything Mario's got, not only being an iteration of Galaxy or 3D World.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

why are we comparing the ps4 to a gen 9 platform?

Because regardless of what generation NX is, it'll be competing directly with PS4 and Xbox One?

I said 'luck' not luck . To be clear: I meant the confluence of market factors and the way good ideas do not necessarily equal good result even if executed reasonably well. A large part of most any hit is the R&D, the marketing but also the 'time' it comes out, which is not something wholly determined by the manufacturer. I mean 'time' in the sense of the state of affairs at and around release. Nintendo doesn't control the world, so yes its product will be subject to factors it cannot foresee or control. The idea is to prepare the best product with your best forecast and then to be able to maneuver through what happens next.

Did anyone say anything about a second Wii?! I don't think that will be the barometer of whether or not NX is successful.

...

The point is, Nintendo isn't doomed because of some market trend. It'll be doomed if it cannot react successfully in the changing market. The graph says nothing about that. It is not even good inductive evidence. There are relatively few generations and for it to make any sense it has to throw Wii out. The argument is plain dumb; it always has been.

TBC: An argument from "Nintendo is a conservative company that has a pattern of decision making that shows it doesn't understand changing markets and is slow to change" and then goes through such decisions is much more convincing.

That is my argument. I'm not saying Nintendo is doomed, I'm saying that people need to look at the reality of the situation and that just because Nintendo is having another fresh start with another new well-specced console, that doesn't mean that ongoing trends in the market, squandered mindshare among the PS4/XB1 demographic they so desperately want and bad relations with 3rd parties will be swept under the rug.

I've seen people honestly suggest that because this thing is powerful, it will definitely get a tonne of 3rd party support, and it will definitely eat into PS4 and Xbox One's marketshare. And why? "Because it will". Father Brain's posts in this thread are well aligned with my own thoughts, and sum up the situation pretty well. It's an uphill struggle for Nintendo.

 

[marmoka]

Also, while I was writing this short essay I asked my new sources about the May 9th NX reveal date, they said they'd look into it.

(First post of this thread.)

So, May 9th as the reveal date is still a rumour and a possibility? Or should we discard all supositions?

 

[alpha69]

I wonder how the OS will be though. If it's crap, all that raw power is gonna end up being useless.