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Rumor: Wii 2 at E3; 6" Touch Controller [Up: Cafe Header On Nintendo Site, More]
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BuggyDClown
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Okay I said earlier I would toss in a mockup. All of these seem to be different than I am thinking. A 6inch screen doesn't have to be gigantic and I think can be more practical. Plus I don't see how any of these can support motion.
Here is exactly what I have been picturing.
Here is exactly what I have been picturing.
MiDNiGHTS said:
There are a lot of beneficial reasons that developers have to develop for the Super Wii and down-port to the PS3 and 360.
Also, from the rumors the Super Wii shares a similar architecture to the 360, and so shouldn't not take developers a long time to adjust to, unlike how the PS3 did if I'm not mistaken.
Some of the benefits would be to tweak or create new gen engines, that could be easily down-ported for the use of the PS3 or 360. It would put the Super Wii in a position similar to that of the 360, in the fact that games are developed for the Super Wii and the optimized and ported to the other systems, the other system this generation being the PS3.
Though this is all hypothetical talk, and I've never been able to understand some of the decisions made by developers.
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I'd like to add something, is it possible for the Super Wii to implement the type of fake 3D that can be seen in that one DSiware title?
Say if the Super Wii controller has a gyroscope inside of it. I don't remember whether any of the rumors have said anything about a gyroscope though.
which1spink
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artwalknoon said:
I'm not trying to say it is going to happen or to convince people. I was just combining some rumors with some aspects I'd like to see.
Of course it's not going to happen but that's not the point. I just wanted to push this discussion into a different direction because most concepts that have been posted before are even more unlikely to happen - they are just too conventional, too un-nintendy or just plain stupid.
Rocket Punch
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where do awful controller mockups go to when they die?
BuggyDClown
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EmmanuelMunoz said:
True but I also doubt every rumor will be correct. I also doubt I'm 100% (edit: make hat 10% It's just what Ive been picturing) on. This is how I could see touch best used. They could have a smaller screen with a second analog on it. Or one that goes off to the side.
I don't see how with two analogs you can even use touch anyway. Seems pointless. So I wanted to try and mockup something that shows how it would work best in a controller.
Doc Holliday
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HenryGale said:Okay I said earlier I would toss in a mockup. All of these seem to be different than I am thinking. A 6inch screen doesn't have to be gigantic and I think can be more practical. Plus I don't see how any of these can support motion.
Here is exactly what I have been picturing.
How the hell are you supposed to know what button youre clicking?
which1spink
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wonderfuldays said:
I don't think that's going to happen. Developers would have to develop basically two games to fit either scenario.
On TV= larger fonts/different UI, how the touchscreen can be used (2 screen situation)
On Tablet = different UI, less effects, dumbed-down physics to reduce latency, different use of touchscreen (1 screen situation)
etc.
BuggyDClown
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Doc Holliday said:
Made the buttons larger than they normally are for the screen and gave it good spacing. I think with the buttons on the nunchuck, back of wiimote and only a few on the face it wouldn't be hard. At least I don't think so.
I certainly wouldn't rule it out without trying it. It is one of the obvious flaws though.
BuggyDClown
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EmmanuelMunoz said:
Haha yeah sounds odd. I think joystiq on back of Wiimote sounds more reasonable.
I just think with how Nintendo wants simplicity, and they wanted the Wiimote to be so entry level imagine taking away all the face buttons. It's like a nintendo dream. Just think back to the revolution rumors, all the mockups with just one button.
brochiller
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I know a lot of people are saying the screen doesn't have to be big in terms of area if it is stretched out, but that isn't likely. If what IGN is true, and games can be streamed to the screen, that also pretty much confirms the aspect ratio of the screen is 16:9 or something very similar.
which1spink
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HenryGale said:
I like the idea, but it's neither going to happen nor it would work (the way it's pictured). First of all there's no true haptic feedback - as someone said you just wouldn't know where to touch to trigger the button you want. Also there's no such screen available on the market. It'd be waaay to expensive for Nintendo to let Sharp or Panasonic develop and produce a special display for them (no, the 3ds one is not Nintendo-exclusive). And the bezel around the display is to thin. I'm sorry
brochiller
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Doc Holliday said:
This is why I hate the emulation of traditional buttons on a touchscreen.
My new guess is that maybe the controllers aren't set up the same way we expect. Maybe the console only provides one tablet controller and the rest are Wiimote Mk IIs. The catch is that some games can be designed around the tablet controller and multiplayer games can have asymmetric setups where only one player uses it or it gets passed around. This would also drive down costs costs to something reasonable and make some peace with the various rumors.
which1spink
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And as I posted before (I think on page 20) it's at best 1280x720p/244.7ppi or something like 800x480.brochiller said:
There's simply no 1080p 6" screen as someone else stated. The pixel-density would simply be too high for a 6" display (at least for a mass-market product)
which1spink said:And as I posted before (I think on page 20) it's at best 1280x720p/244.7ppi or something like 800x840.
There's simply no 1080p 6" screen as someone else stated. The pixel-density would simply be too high for a 6" display (at least for a mass-market product)
As long as the touchscreen is as good as the 3DS, it will be fine by me! I doubt the resolution of the screen is going to be higher or better than what is available for the Nintendo 3DS.
So have they thrown away pointer mechanics? All these rumors simply say "motion controls", which does not necessarily include a pointer. Did I miss a source specifically referencing improved pointer recognition? And if it is there, how in the world does it fit into this traditional gamepad? Why would we need two control sticks if they plan on keeping the pointer?antonz said:
brochiller
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Somnid said:
This was brought up earlier and I'm thinking this may be the case as well. Forcing the player to have four controllers with what amounts to a tabet on them to plat Super Smash Bros. would ridiculously expensive and unnecessary from a gameplay prospective.
CoffeeJanitor
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Stop saying hardcore. It doesn't mean anything.antonz said:
Thunder Monkey
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Stop picking on the slow kid assholes.
Another thought, ignoring for a moment that it will likely be backward compatible with the Wiimote: If they revert to a traditional gamepad, they pretty much eat their words about how awesome it would be to swing Link's sword like a real sword. Does that mechanic suddenly disappear in future Zelda titles after SS?antonz said:
It's not enough to say the Wiimote is still there as a secondary control scheme to be used as an option, because apparently they have improved the motion controls overall. If we're looking at a split control scheme, they would have to issue a revised Wiimote to include the upgraded mechanics.
Or is the screen supposed to replace the pointer? That might work as a precise FPS mechanism, but it still leaves the whole sword swinging issue open. It seems like they might have to backtrack on a lot of what they have tried to convince us of this generation.
And this hasn't been mentioned yet, I don't think, but would Nintendo consider including Kinetic-like functionality? For whatever that's worth.
Grampa Simpson
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Thunder Monkey said:Stop picking on the slow kid assholes.
I'm probably taking a two week vacation for this, but one does what one must do.
Thunder Monkey
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A man of his convictions knows no fear.BowieZ said:
Okay, let's put your Nintendo dream machine fantasies aside for a moment and try to look at their next console based on reality.
Do you really think shareholders would want Nintendo to chase the dudebro "hardcore" with a super powerful console after all the net billions loss with Microsoft and Sony? Shareholders are going to question why make a super powerful hardware console chasing a demographic they hadn't had since the SNES. Moreover they would have to sell at a loss and/or sell at a price point outside their fanbase's reach. It's apparently a broken business model. With the Wii en route to 100 million+ sold based on old hardware with huge profit margins I seriously doubt their shareholders would want to go with a super powerful console. I'm more inclined to believe it will be as powerful as the 360 but the main selling point will be some "gimmick" that will differentiate it from its competitors.
That's not to say Nintendo won't moneyhat for 3rd party exclusives and whatnot to attract 3rd parties, but they are definitely not going to go all out with some super computer.
Do you really think shareholders would want Nintendo to chase the dudebro "hardcore" with a super powerful console after all the net billions loss with Microsoft and Sony? Shareholders are going to question why make a super powerful hardware console chasing a demographic they hadn't had since the SNES. Moreover they would have to sell at a loss and/or sell at a price point outside their fanbase's reach. It's apparently a broken business model. With the Wii en route to 100 million+ sold based on old hardware with huge profit margins I seriously doubt their shareholders would want to go with a super powerful console. I'm more inclined to believe it will be as powerful as the 360 but the main selling point will be some "gimmick" that will differentiate it from its competitors.
That's not to say Nintendo won't moneyhat for 3rd party exclusives and whatnot to attract 3rd parties, but they are definitely not going to go all out with some super computer.
Thunder Monkey
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I'm still personally waiting for the console that sucks my dick and plays with my balls myself.
Ninja Scooter
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HenryGale said:Okay I said earlier I would toss in a mockup. All of these seem to be different than I am thinking. A 6inch screen doesn't have to be gigantic and I think can be more practical. Plus I don't see how any of these can support motion.
Here is exactly what I have been picturing.
Wouldn't a touch screen be pretty terrible if you are waving the controller around and not always seeing what you are pressing? For a Wiimote it seems tactile buttons are a must.
Thunder Monkey
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Who knows.Ninja Scooter said:
Videogames are taking stranger and stranger shapes every year.
Grampa Simpson
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Nope. It stays. If I take a vacation, so be it.BowieZ said:
Grampa Simpson
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That would be the end of the human race. I'd never leave my house.Thunder Monkey said:
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I'd say even for a standard controller, a touch screen is a very bad idea. It works on a handheld, because you are supposed to look at it at all times (even if you are looking at the upper screen on a DS). I becomes annoying the moment you have to switch views between TV/controller.
wonderfuldays
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JCRedeems said:
Even Nintendo's shareholders DEMAND for horse power this time I think. They know that Wii Sport Resort 2 won't bringing more money.
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