Syphon Filter
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how can it still have issues?is it really that weak?
(RUMOR) Xbox One GPU reserve getting smaller soon, down from 10% to 2%
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Zevenberge
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It would be pretty impressive if you could have video software by only using 0.8% of your graphics card, so on this I agree with you. The point that strikes me is that per mille (o/oo) isn't exactly a common keyboard key, while % is.
GoofsterStud
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We don't know. If Esram is the bottleneck it would an be no advantage. This really blows my mind. If snap is disabled people will be pissed that a feature they bought the system for doesn't work for the games they play on the system. Kinect also won't be "free" making developers less likely to support it.
This seems like a walking contradiction.
Syphon Filter
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who buys it for snap anyways? also what do you mean kinect "free"?
What is essentially a 7770 coupled with DDR3….It was never going to be especially impressive. First party at least should be able to cook up some nice things, but it will never close that gap. If anything the gap will only get wider.
I get the feeling many of the Xbox One's future tent pole exclusives will be linear experiences (Ryse esque), in order to maintain visual parity with the competitor.
Chobel
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You have a point, that "" in no way a typo. He must copied it from somewhere.
Sword Of Doom
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I think it goes to show the XB1 is underpowered. Especially considering how ambitious MS's plans for the system are.
Brad Grenz
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The 8% they'd win back by disabling features doesn't even get them in the same ballpark as the PS4. It makes no sense to make a cornerstone feature optional, creating a bunch of confusion about what the system can and can't do when Snap is literally the first thing about the system they ever advertised on TV, and still the focal point of many ads. Not saying I don't believe this will be the case, but it's just further evidence of the knee-jerk panic-based management style they're using these days at Microsoft. If this could get them to parity with PS4, that would be one thing, but as it stands they'd still have demonstrably worse games at a higher price point and now one of the only features that differentiates the platform can't be relied on. Even if they're dumping Kinect and dropping the price to $400 they're still slower with one less feature advantage.
Syphon Filter
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$400 is better than having that feature.
I searched and found the store page for Lego Marvel does indeed mention that it is "snappable":
"Snappable" seems like a weird way to convey that video can be snapped alongside the game. It almost makes it sound like the game itself can be snapped.
Earthanoid
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I was about to post basically to say this. The change doesn't make sense, if its true. This change only makes sense to me if they've figured out a way to give that 8% back while retaining Snap and other Kinect functions too.
But very little of MS' actions have made sense to me this round, so it won't surprise me if this turns out to be true.
So is Pete saying that the xbone reserves 20% of system resource?
10% for the three OS
10% for kinect
Now ms are releasing 8% of the kinect reserve. which still leaves 12% locked to Microsoft?
Isn't this going to cause a bit of a backlash between those who want better res/fps and those that use snap?
I know ms probably try to see this as a positive move but I just feel they are still gonna cop some flak.
10% for the three OS
10% for kinect
Now ms are releasing 8% of the kinect reserve. which still leaves 12% locked to Microsoft?
Isn't this going to cause a bit of a backlash between those who want better res/fps and those that use snap?
I know ms probably try to see this as a positive move but I just feel they are still gonna cop some flak.
That's what I assume. Snapping has always been optional for games, right?
No, we can't currently snap games.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can't snap any game that I own. So it's obviously optional for games as well as apps. But does anyone have Lego Marvel on Xbone and can try? I bought it on 360.
edit: So, I found the "Snappable apps and games" menu. Lego Marvel is the only game listed. All of the snappable apps are listed. I don't know why anyone would want to snap a game, but that's pretty cool if Lego actually has that option.
Fully expect optimisations to continue, only gets better from here on. If we're to believe last minute fixes were being implemented to create a stable system optimisation or at least comprehensive "aggressive optimisation" has yet to be fully implemented. I expect the second wave of games to be jaw dropping on the One
Brad Grenz
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They can drop the price without losing that feature. Having price parity against the PS4 AND unmatched features like that would make the Xbox One more competitive than not having that feature but having games only 40% slower than PS4 rather than 45%.
Chobel
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Major Nelson? Is that you?
"the one"
Just Lego Marvel.
TastyOreoFriend
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His/Her posting history reveals everything you need to know
Brad Grenz
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Judging by his post history I certainly hope MS is cutting him checks on the regular.
Warm Machine
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Snap Optional games are probably meant to be titles like Clash of Clans that have timers so they can be run in the background and be brought to the foreground when required. Hell you could be playing Forza and then snap to Scrabble, make a word, wait for your buddy's turn, and then snap back.
killer rin
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I'm pretty sure the Kinect 2 does its own on-board processing. It was the Kinect 1 which did everything on the console-side. So I don't know why some people are thinking that it would decrease skeletal tracking or whatnot.
Its obvious that this system wasn't designed with a games first mantra. The fact that they are already trying to claw back limited resources means they fucked up the design. Kinect was a bad idea plain and simple. Too many sacrifices were made just to get it in the box.
Why would a portion of the system be reserved for a feature which might not even be used 100% of the time? Any gains made in the graphics department means somewhere else will take cuts. If that means snap goes then the gain isn't worth it.
Why would a portion of the system be reserved for a feature which might not even be used 100% of the time? Any gains made in the graphics department means somewhere else will take cuts. If that means snap goes then the gain isn't worth it.
SwiftDeath
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Curious if anything becomes of this. I would imagine if they somehow do manage to reallocate 8% of the GPU for gaming it will be at the sacrifice of another feature. I seriously doubt they'd be able to optimize that much ever let alone in 2 months of launch. It sounds far more like they are debating about making snap optional or maybe they are only freeing up 4% or something and just getting rid of skeletal tracking or whatever Kinect requires
I can only imagine that if this is real it is not the resolution/framerate gate scandals whatever that is doing this but the 3rd party developers doing it. That they are and have been very vocal and very adamant that they are having real trouble getting their games up to snuff on the XB1. And maybe Respawn are having problems but I had thought they pretty much had titanfall ready to go whenever and it was up to EA to make the release date?
I can only imagine that if this is real it is not the resolution/framerate gate scandals whatever that is doing this but the 3rd party developers doing it. That they are and have been very vocal and very adamant that they are having real trouble getting their games up to snuff on the XB1. And maybe Respawn are having problems but I had thought they pretty much had titanfall ready to go whenever and it was up to EA to make the release date?
Ms needs to figure out its console isnt the strongest. Accept that fact and market it for its ecosystem os. Its not lke tey are half the power of the ps4. There is a gap yes. ps4 has better ram yes. Their pr department needs to stop all the fud about parity and straight up say. We have a performance gap yes, but look at our ecosystem os controller exclusives etc. Seriously someone needs to go over and school this group. Iphone is weaker than galaxy s and other android phones half the time. I stick to my iphone cause i like it. Its irrational etc. You product can be appealing on way more fronts than just hardware. Instead they use some stupid movie theatre analogy etc ... just dont get whats up with their pr department. Guess sony really really caught them off guard with the 8gb ram and Cerny and sony hardware just did a great job I guess.
EDIT and personally im prefer sony consoles and plan on getting a ps4 once i can track one down. but so far ms has shown more games to get me excited. I know sony is sitting on its exclusives etc but so far ms has shown me a better lineup of exclusives. Even the ones sony had which had me excited driveclub/order etc have just totally vanished off the map marketing wise. If MS would just focus on its games games games I might even consider picking it up as a secondary console. Instead we got this silly pr drama theatre going on.
EDIT and personally im prefer sony consoles and plan on getting a ps4 once i can track one down. but so far ms has shown more games to get me excited. I know sony is sitting on its exclusives etc but so far ms has shown me a better lineup of exclusives. Even the ones sony had which had me excited driveclub/order etc have just totally vanished off the map marketing wise. If MS would just focus on its games games games I might even consider picking it up as a secondary console. Instead we got this silly pr drama theatre going on.
I just found it too (for those curious, select Snap from the main menu, then scroll down to Get More). It definitely appears the game itself is snappable.
And thats why I think this rumor isnt true. They cant sacrifice a great feature, thats tied with the UI in order to boost 3 frames per second. That GPU is still limited, 8% or whatever wont magically add some new ROPs or CUs that could compensate some of the bottlenecks. There is still the small ESRAM and the low memory bandwith in the first place. It still amazes me that a game based on source engine struggles at 720p60fps.
Eh well, while it doesnt look insane guess some of the physics and ai involved are intensive. I mean it is still about 12 ai per team right (6 silly grunt types and 6 mechs etc)
Miles Quaritch
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Making one of their main USP optional seems short sighted. MS should really just accept their machine is grossly under powered compared to the PS4 and focus on improving the few USP they do have over the PS4 as well patching in a goddamn storage mamangement option and battery indicator.
Embarrassing that this still hasn't been addressed.
Embarrassing that this still hasn't been addressed.
That's a good point.
I'm not sure why you guys are still talking about snap being made optional. It's not part of the rumor as posted in the OP and Microsoft spoke just a few months ago about freeing up the GPU without sacrificing any system functionality.
Sure, but even 360 manages this experience (though not with that fidelity in the visual department). I wonder why its so hard for devs to run a (competitive) shooter in 1080p. Neither, BF, CoD or Titanfall could pull it off and those or some of the best devs worldwide.
Calling it "the One" will not win you many friends around here
thinking about this a little it still really feels like MS just don't get it. they're still trying to make something out their specs instead of getting serious about making first party titles and supporting indies. when people complained about the specs they weren't asking for 3fps more.
At first I didn't think they were taking the snap feature away and this was what was mentioned previously that resources allocated for future non-game related stuff to be switched over to the game OS.
But after reading several posts in this thread it seems to be the general consensus that existing features are going to be taken away.
The snap feature sounded really useful at first until I realised that the video window would be so small and most of the snapped screen would be an empty space (which makes sense unless you want to take a 16:9 image and scale it to some horrible stretched ratio). I hope it doesn't go away and become optional as remembering what games allow it and what don't would be a little annoying (but then again I want to play games more so it might be worth dropping).
Also if this is true this makes me very worried for the feature I want most added to the OS (background audio playback without the need for snapping something to part of the screen).
I really hope it's just allocated unused resources they are reallocating to the games side.
Good link.
I was also wondering how we got from the good news of a performance boost to this somehow crippling the the whole system without ANY confirmation, but whatever.
I'm all for whatever makes these systems better, so this seems like welcome news unless we hear something confirmed to be different.
Chobel
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That doesn't explain going from 10% down to 2% in this short time.
The GAF consensus is pretty meaningless when only Microsoft knows all the details of the hardware, software, and the direction they plan to take.