Sony had the Spider-Man animation rights. That's why Spectacular Spider-Man exists. When Marvel got the animation rights, they cancelled Spectacular and created Ultimate. Because they were never going to pay to produce a cartoon that they didn't own.
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Rumour: Marvel have struck a deal with Fox for Fantastic Four film rights
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Sony had the Spider-Man animation rights. That's why Spectacular Spider-Man exists. When Marvel got the animation rights, they cancelled Spectacular and created Ultimate. Because they were never going to pay to produce a cartoon that they didn't own.
Marvel bought back the TV right to spideman. Reason why spectacular spiderman got cancelled and we got that shit.
Manmademan
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Fox isn't known for pushing properties that repeatedly bomb. Daredevil lapsed exactly for this reason.
Using the FF property as leverage to make television properties NOW makes more financial sense than sitting on FF for ten years to try again.
I stand corrected.
I actually got the TV rights confused with the MERCHANDISING rights. Marvel took a huge profit from Spider-man toys, but I don't think Sony saw much profit from them, if I'm not mistaken.
But the rights to the X-men were different, hence why you didn't see any toys for any of the X-men movies for the past 10 years or so, unlike Spider-man.
Alucard725
Neo Member
Was this rumor debunked?
http://collider.com/fantastic-four-movie-rights-marvel-fox/
Would be great if true though.
http://collider.com/fantastic-four-movie-rights-marvel-fox/
Would be great if true though.
They may have gotten the nature of the TV rights wrong.
Hidden One
Member
See if they would just do this shit instead of creating this poopy movies in the first place...Reboots every 5 years and shit.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They probably didn't.
Besides which, at this point, if there was anything to it, I'm pretty certain someone else besides Den of Geek would have heard something. It's making enough noise that it's kinda forcing entertainment sites to poke into it.
But I also can't imagine that a detail this big would somehow "accidentally" have been "revealed" via a Legion TV show announcement. Someone woulda heard something before it happened, more than likely.
This entire story is basically a deduction.
Manmademan
Member
No, since their source is apparently wrong about fox having the TV rights. Fox themselves has said they didn't, and the mutant X lawsuit says marvel has them...pending fox approval.
That being said there's a lot of ways this could go. Marvel could have use of the FF without being given full rights back, as they did with spidey.
Clearly SOMETHING is happening here though.
superdeluxe
Member
Before you declare victory, Having the live action rights mean jack if you need permission to create television shows, You still might have to offer XYZ to Marvel for said permission. Its semantics really.
Not saying this rumor is true. But the difference between Fox not having the rights..or having the rights but still needing Marvel buyoff still in the ends they need to negotiate with Marvel
Huw_Dawson
Member
Cannot wait for the post-credits teaser in Avengers 3 that is just Doom laughing at the camera.
Alucard725
Neo Member
Agreed. Something is happening since the rumor hasn't died yet.
Father_Brain
Banned
io9 says it's false.
http://io9.com/rumor-has-it-marvel-is-clawing-fantastic-four-back-from-1736693837
http://io9.com/rumor-has-it-marvel-is-clawing-fantastic-four-back-from-1736693837
Alucard725
Neo Member
How unfortunate
Welp...
That's depressing.
PadWarrior
Member
Shoot
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Why on earth did Marvel strike the deal then?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Sadness. Immense sadness.
MadLaughter
Member
From the guy that wrote the original story on Den of Geek:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanlambie/status/654703230232866817?p=v
https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanlambie/status/654703230232866817?p=v
Well, Marvel seems to be involved in someway with this show. Maybe they are just getting money out of it?
I suppose that makes sense.
Alucard725
Neo Member
Yeah, they had to get something to sign off on the X-Men shows.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
But dat leverage. You can guarantee it won't be part of the MCU, I'd rather they didn't waste time or resources on it.
Considering the thread I saw about Legion mentioned people from Daredevil were involved, it does make some sense. I would have much preferred there had been some exchange/shared rights deal but it doesn't look like that was the case.
Weren't they almost bankrupt back in the day and that's why they sold off movie rights to companies with awful deals? They were desperate.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Nope nope nope
Alucard725
Neo Member
I believe that Marvel still had to approve any TV show using the X-Men characters.
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.
Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.
I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.
I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Alucard725
Neo Member
Ha! Forgot about that. They have to make those ultimates (revenue projections) look a little better before announcing anything.
This is a good point.
Yeah, it took several months after the Spidey rumors for the official announcement to come out. I suppose there's a similar situation with Fox and the FF.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, it's not impossible or anything.
But until we hear it from a more credible source than a C-list fansite, it's best to not get your hopes up.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
What else are they supposed to do with it then? Giving it back to Marvel makes the most sense.
It may seem that way right now. Even though Fox had tried multiple times to make the Fantastic Four work on film, all they have to so is wait another 5-6 years and try again. If they think there's a possibility for profit with the franchise, they are gonna hold on to it. Seems like this is the case since Fan4tstic 2 has already been confirmed. Ugh.
Quote for truth.
Let's wait for more reliable sources to chime in before we get our hopes back up. That being said, you aren't exactly wrong.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
Member
Awwww 
just give marvel back all its stuff
just give marvel back all its stuffThe Amazing Spider-Man 3 & Sinister Six were also confirmed.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fox doesn't have to confirm shit. Marvel's already said this isn't happening, either.
Both sides have come out and said "nope." already.
Because it's a nope right now.
Maybe somewhere down the line something happens. But Den of Geek basically got caught running a story that was basically a deduction (same deduction we all made once we realized Legion was an X-Men show) without getting the confirms they needed to get in order to run it.
That's all this is.
Both sides have come out and said "nope." already.
Because it's a nope right now.
Maybe somewhere down the line something happens. But Den of Geek basically got caught running a story that was basically a deduction (same deduction we all made once we realized Legion was an X-Men show) without getting the confirms they needed to get in order to run it.
That's all this is.
That's also a good point. Fan4tstic 2 could easily go the same route, I sadly just don't see Fox as desperate as Sony. Especially since around the time the Spider-man deal happened was after the whole Sony hack fiasco. I'll always be optimistic though. FF definitely was a bomb.
Choppasmith
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Yeah, it might be a little early to celebrate, but the fact that they're working together on TV is a HUGE step forward.
Thatonemoor
Member
Didn't it break even thanks to the international market?
Yeah, like with Spidey back then.
If it did I'm not aware.
JigglesBunny
Banned
Sorry guys, I want it just as bad you all!
They're also moving ahead with FF2 ideas so, no good news to speak of.
They're also moving ahead with FF2 ideas so, no good news to speak of.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Not the same thing.
Like, even Garlador prefaced his reach by saying it's a reach.
you don't HAVE to reach, though. You can just let it rest. It'll flare back up eventually, I'm sure.
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