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Rumour: Marvel have struck a deal with Fox for Fantastic Four film rights

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Kevinroc

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Garlador said:
There are. For instance, Marvel retained full control of animated Spider-Man TV rights, if I'm not mistaken, while Sony got nothing.

Hence why Agent Coulson himself popped up in Ultimate Spider-man rather quickly.
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Sony had the Spider-Man animation rights. That's why Spectacular Spider-Man exists. When Marvel got the animation rights, they cancelled Spectacular and created Ultimate. Because they were never going to pay to produce a cartoon that they didn't own.
 
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otakukidd

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Garlador said:
There are. For instance, Marvel retained full control of animated Spider-Man TV rights, if I'm not mistaken, while Sony got nothing.

Hence why Agent Coulson himself popped up in Ultimate Spider-man rather quickly.
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Marvel bought back the TV right to spideman. Reason why spectacular spiderman got cancelled and we got that shit.
 
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Manmademan

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Penguin said:
They don't have motivation to.. because they don't have to try another film for what 6-7 years?

They can sit on the property until they find another version they like that works.

In your case, the ideal situation

FOX keeps FF/X-Men Rights
Marvel allows em to produce X-Men shows with a profit-sharing set-up

If there's big business in TV, Marvel doesn't lose out, and have none of the risk involved.
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Fox isn't known for pushing properties that repeatedly bomb. Daredevil lapsed exactly for this reason.

Using the FF property as leverage to make television properties NOW makes more financial sense than sitting on FF for ten years to try again.
 
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Garlador

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Kevinroc said:
Sony had the Spider-Man animation rights. That's why Spectacular Spider-Man exists. When Marvel got the animation rights, they cancelled Spectacular and created Ultimate. Because they were never going to pay to produce a cartoon that they didn't own.
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otakukidd said:
Marvel bought back the TV right to spideman. Reason why spectacular spiderman got cancelled and we got that shit.
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I stand corrected.

I actually got the TV rights confused with the MERCHANDISING rights. Marvel took a huge profit from Spider-man toys, but I don't think Sony saw much profit from them, if I'm not mistaken.

But the rights to the X-men were different, hence why you didn't see any toys for any of the X-men movies for the past 10 years or so, unlike Spider-man.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Neoxon said:
They may have gotten the nature of the TV rights wrong.
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They probably didn't.

Besides which, at this point, if there was anything to it, I'm pretty certain someone else besides Den of Geek would have heard something. It's making enough noise that it's kinda forcing entertainment sites to poke into it.

But I also can't imagine that a detail this big would somehow "accidentally" have been "revealed" via a Legion TV show announcement. Someone woulda heard something before it happened, more than likely.

This entire story is basically a deduction.
 
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Manmademan

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Alucard725 said:
Was this rumor debunked?

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-movie-rights-marvel-fox/

Would be great if true though.
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No, since their source is apparently wrong about fox having the TV rights. Fox themselves has said they didn't, and the mutant X lawsuit says marvel has them...pending fox approval.

That being said there's a lot of ways this could go. Marvel could have use of the FF without being given full rights back, as they did with spidey.

Clearly SOMETHING is happening here though.
 
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superdeluxe

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darkhunger said:
Thank you. Too much wishful thinking in this thread and not enough clear-headedness. Fox always had live action rights. It's on those grounds that they sued Marvel on the Mutant X TV show more than a decade ago that it violated their IP rights. Fox needed Marvel sign-off to produce TV shows and that's what the negotiations were on.
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Before you declare victory, Having the live action rights mean jack if you need permission to create television shows, You still might have to offer XYZ to Marvel for said permission. Its semantics really.

Not saying this rumor is true. But the difference between Fox not having the rights..or having the rights but still needing Marvel buyoff still in the ends they need to negotiate with Marvel
 
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Alucard725

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Manmademan said:
No, since their source is apparently wrong about fox having the TV rights. Fox themselves has said they didn't, and the mutant X lawsuit says marvel has them...pending fox approval.

That being said there's a lot of ways this could go. Marvel could have use of the FF without being given full rights back, as they did with spidey.

Clearly SOMETHING is happening here though.
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Agreed. Something is happening since the rumor hasn't died yet.
 
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OldRoutes

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Maybe it's just the right to use some characters from the FF franchise, similar to what they did with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
 
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Sponge

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Neoxon said:
I suppose that makes sense.
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Considering the thread I saw about Legion mentioned people from Daredevil were involved, it does make some sense. I would have much preferred there had been some exchange/shared rights deal but it doesn't look like that was the case.
 
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Garlador

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I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
"Amy said that she would 'Never ever ever' let go of SPIDER-MAN. She feels the property is directly tied to her legacy and time at SONY. Not just that, she is really thrilled by the work on the new film."
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Sony Pictures has officially denied that plans are afoot for Spider-Man to put in an appearance in Marvel Studios' Avengers: Infinity War - which will be the third movie in the franchise. Sony has said the rumor has "no validity whatsoever".
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Alucard725

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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Ha! Forgot about that. They have to make those ultimates (revenue projections) look a little better before announcing anything.
 
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Dalek

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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This is a good point.
 
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richiek

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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Yeah, it took several months after the Spidey rumors for the official announcement to come out. I suppose there's a similar situation with Fox and the FF.
 
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Father_Brain

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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Well, it's not impossible or anything.

But until we hear it from a more credible source than a C-list fansite, it's best to not get your hopes up.
 
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Sponge

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Spyder_Monkey said:
What else are they supposed to do with it then? Giving it back to Marvel makes the most sense.
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It may seem that way right now. Even though Fox had tried multiple times to make the Fantastic Four work on film, all they have to so is wait another 5-6 years and try again. If they think there's a possibility for profit with the franchise, they are gonna hold on to it. Seems like this is the case since Fan4tstic 2 has already been confirmed. Ugh.
 
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GAMEPROFF

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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Quote for truth.
 
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Neoxon

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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Let's wait for more reliable sources to chime in before we get our hopes back up. That being said, you aren't exactly wrong.
 
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Neoxon

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Sponge said:
It may seem that way right now. Even though Fox had tried multiple times to make the Fantastic Four work on film, all they have to so is wait another 5-6 years and try again. If they think there's a possibility for profit with the franchise, they are gonna hold on to it. Seems like this is the case since Fan4tstic 2 has already been confirmed. Ugh.
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The Amazing Spider-Man 3 & Sinister Six were also confirmed.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Fox doesn't have to confirm shit. Marvel's already said this isn't happening, either.

Both sides have come out and said "nope." already.

Because it's a nope right now.

Maybe somewhere down the line something happens. But Den of Geek basically got caught running a story that was basically a deduction (same deduction we all made once we realized Legion was an X-Men show) without getting the confirms they needed to get in order to run it.

That's all this is.
 
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Sponge

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Neoxon said:
The Amazing Spider-Man 3 & Sinister Six were also confirmed.
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That's also a good point. Fan4tstic 2 could easily go the same route, I sadly just don't see Fox as desperate as Sony. Especially since around the time the Spider-man deal happened was after the whole Sony hack fiasco. I'll always be optimistic though. FF definitely was a bomb.
 
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Choppasmith

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Garlador said:
I want to hold out hope, even a fool's hope.

Fox is NOT going to confirm the story until Fant4stic releases in all territories, goes out on blu-ray, and finishes its release run. They will deny the story until every last drop of possible revenue is exhausted.

I mean, Sony denied all Spider-man rumors, even the TRUE ones, until an "official" announcement was approved.
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Yeah, it might be a little early to celebrate, but the fact that they're working together on TV is a HUGE step forward.
 
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Thatonemoor

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Sponge said:
That's also a good point. Fan4tstic 2 could easily go the same route, I sadly just don't see Fox as desperate as Sony. Especially since around the time the Spider-man deal happened was after the whole Sony hack fiasco. I'll always be optimistic though. FF definitely was a bomb.
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Didn't it break even thanks to the international market?
 
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GAMEPROFF

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BobbyRoberts said:
Fox doesn't have to confirm shit. Marvel's already said this isn't happening, either.

Both sides have come out and said "nope." already.

Because it's a nope right now.

Maybe somewhere down the line something happens. But Den of Geek basically got caught running a story that was basically a deduction (same deduction we all made once we realized Legion was an X-Men show) without getting the confirms they needed to get in order to run it.

That's all this is.
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Yeah, like with Spidey back then.
 
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Patryn

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Thatonemoor said:
Didn't it break even thanks to the international market?
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From Wikipedia:

Fantastic Four grossed $56 million in North America and $110.9 million in other territories for a worldwide total of $167 million, against a production budget of $122 million (estimated $200+ million including marketing and distribution costs), making it the lowest grossing Fantastic Four film to date.
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