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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
"Europe" is a pretty wide term. We certainly have liquor stores. Regular stores can only sell drinks which have at maximum 5,5 % alcohol.
Where? Absolutely untrue when it comes to Czech Republic. Maybe Scandinavia, I guess. Waking up and quick reacting isn't my best ability. I forgot word "Eastern Europe"

There are, especially in Eastern Europe, it's a relict of socialism where the distribution was regulated. Article in Polish, the English one doesn't have the correct context:

Oh well ll if you mean "vinný sklep" (wine cellar) than yeah, but that not exactly liquor
 

Nico_D

Member
Where? Absolutely untrue when it comes to Czech Republic. Maybe Scandinavia, I guess. Waking up and quick reacting isn't my best ability. I forgot word "Eastern Europe"

Finland. Pretty highly regulated here. Mild alcohol drinks can be brought from general stores. But everything else is sold only by one specific liquor store chain (ALKO) regulated by Finnish government. It's a governmetal monopoly.
 

sliceypete

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Finland. Pretty highly regulated here. Mild alcohol drinks can be brought from general stores. But everything else is sold only by one specific liquor store chain (ALKO) regulated by Finnish government. It's a governmetal monopoly.
I can attest to this, used to live in Finland. Coming from the US I thought this was weird at first, until i realized the country is full of alcoholics :messenger_downcast_sweat:
 

Nico_D

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I can attest to this, used to live in Finland. Coming from the US I thought this was weird at first, until i realized the country is full of alcoholics :messenger_downcast_sweat:

We absolutely have problems, male alcoholism can be pretty bad especially in Northern part of the country where winters are longer, colder and much darker than in the South.

That said, here's a list the most alcoholistic countries in the world per World Population Review. I don't know how reliable they are, seem to be not politically affiliated but you never know. Nevertheless:

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (both genders):​

  1. Hungary - 21.2%
  2. Russia - 20.9%
  3. Belarus - 18.8%
  4. Latvia - 15.5%
  5. South Korea - 13.9% (tie)
  6. Slovenia - 13.9% (tie)
  7. United States - 13.9% (tie)
  8. Poland - 12.8%
  9. Estonia - 12.2% (tie)
  10. Slovakia - 12.2% (tie)

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (females):​

  1. United States - 10.4%
  2. Russia - 7.4%
  3. Sweden - 7.3%
  4. Hungary - 7.2%
  5. South Korea - 6.8%
  6. Belarus - 6.2%
  7. Austria - 6.1%
  8. United Kingdom - 4.7%
  9. Latvia - 4.6%
  10. Slovenia - 4.5%

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (males):​

  1. Russia - 36.9%
  2. Hungary - 36.9%
  3. Belarus - 33.9%
  4. Latvia - 28.8%
  5. Slovenia - 23.5%
  6. Slovakia - 22.8%
  7. Poland - 22.7%
  8. Estonia - 22.2%
  9. South Korea - 21.2%
  10. Lithuania - 19.9%
I don't know where Finland would be on that list. Would be curious to find out if I had the patience to dig deeper into google.
 

Loope

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We absolutely have problems, male alcoholism can be pretty bad especially in Northern part of the country where winters are longer, colder and much darker than in the South.

That said, here's a list the most alcoholistic countries in the world per World Population Review. I don't know how reliable they are, seem to be not politically affiliated but you never know. Nevertheless:

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (both genders):​

  1. Hungary - 21.2%
  2. Russia - 20.9%
  3. Belarus - 18.8%
  4. Latvia - 15.5%
  5. South Korea - 13.9% (tie)
  6. Slovenia - 13.9% (tie)
  7. United States - 13.9% (tie)
  8. Poland - 12.8%
  9. Estonia - 12.2% (tie)
  10. Slovakia - 12.2% (tie)

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (females):​

  1. United States - 10.4%
  2. Russia - 7.4%
  3. Sweden - 7.3%
  4. Hungary - 7.2%
  5. South Korea - 6.8%
  6. Belarus - 6.2%
  7. Austria - 6.1%
  8. United Kingdom - 4.7%
  9. Latvia - 4.6%
  10. Slovenia - 4.5%

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (males):​

  1. Russia - 36.9%
  2. Hungary - 36.9%
  3. Belarus - 33.9%
  4. Latvia - 28.8%
  5. Slovenia - 23.5%
  6. Slovakia - 22.8%
  7. Poland - 22.7%
  8. Estonia - 22.2%
  9. South Korea - 21.2%
  10. Lithuania - 19.9%
I don't know where Finland would be on that list. Would be curious to find out if I had the patience to dig deeper into google.
Pretty surprised Portugal is not on the list. Some heavy drinkers here. I used to be one myself. And i would never imagine Sweden or Austria on a list like this.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Finland. Pretty highly regulated here. Mild alcohol drinks can be brought from general stores. But everything else is sold only by one specific liquor store chain (ALKO) regulated by Finnish government. It's a governmetal monopoly.
But you have those boat trips, it's crazy to see, I guess marine lobby is keeping alcohol in Czech (cough) on mainland. But let's be honest, availability of hard liquor in manner which we do it, is not a good solution. When gas pumps are loaded with 40%+ Alcohol drinks in here...
 

Bluntman

Member
We absolutely have problems, male alcoholism can be pretty bad especially in Northern part of the country where winters are longer, colder and much darker than in the South.

That said, here's a list the most alcoholistic countries in the world per World Population Review. I don't know how reliable they are, seem to be not politically affiliated but you never know. Nevertheless:

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (both genders):​

  1. Hungary - 21.2%
  2. Russia - 20.9%
  3. Belarus - 18.8%
  4. Latvia - 15.5%
  5. South Korea - 13.9% (tie)
  6. Slovenia - 13.9% (tie)
  7. United States - 13.9% (tie)
  8. Poland - 12.8%
  9. Estonia - 12.2% (tie)
  10. Slovakia - 12.2% (tie)

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (females):​

  1. United States - 10.4%
  2. Russia - 7.4%
  3. Sweden - 7.3%
  4. Hungary - 7.2%
  5. South Korea - 6.8%
  6. Belarus - 6.2%
  7. Austria - 6.1%
  8. United Kingdom - 4.7%
  9. Latvia - 4.6%
  10. Slovenia - 4.5%

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Alcohol Use Disorder/Alcoholism (males):​

  1. Russia - 36.9%
  2. Hungary - 36.9%
  3. Belarus - 33.9%
  4. Latvia - 28.8%
  5. Slovenia - 23.5%
  6. Slovakia - 22.8%
  7. Poland - 22.7%
  8. Estonia - 22.2%
  9. South Korea - 21.2%
  10. Lithuania - 19.9%
I don't know where Finland would be on that list. Would be curious to find out if I had the patience to dig deeper into google.

Damn, we really like our alcohol here in Hungary it seems. :D I'm certainly doing my part!
 

Little Mac

Gold Member
I'm not up to date with everything going on because of work and responsibilities, but globally, isn't Russia's leaders looked upon as Disney villains by this point? Or is this just the byproduct of my country's news media bias or maybe my inherent, yet waning, ethnocentrism?
 
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UnNamed

Banned
This is a bit old, but I've been watching this channel for a while. Good background on the Soviet states as they are today. His travel vlogs go back a few years and worth watching. He's fluent in Russian and a few others and has spent time in those countries and has a massive amount of respect for the people. Definitely not your average YouTuber.

This video is from 25 Feb and is him and a companion leaving the city of Kyiv. Interesting to see, boots on the ground coverage from someone outside the traditional media and the support infrastructure that comes with that.


In his previous vlog, he travels to a very tiny village on the border of Ukraine & Russia. For those interested:

I also follow his channel in the last few years, "funny" thing is he wanted to quit the channel some time ago.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Doesn't matter what kind of system it is, Presidential or Parliamentary. Both are vulnerable to Putin types without robust civil institutions, a free press and a firm, independent judiciary and rule of law based society.

There's a reason why the UK for instance has never produced a Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin or a Putin. The institutions in place will stop them long before they ever get a chance to get into a position of power.
I know the guy is a sociopath but surely even he knows and those around him are bound to realize that History will lump him in with the worlds worst Dictators, who wants that, i mean who wants their legacy to be talked about in the same circles as those lot
 

Thaedolus

Member
I know the guy is a sociopath but surely even he knows and those around him are bound to realize that History will lump him in with the worlds worst Dictators, who wants that, i mean who wants their legacy to be talked about in the same circles as those lot
Some types think those dictators were to be admired.
 

Alx

Member
Some types think those dictators were to be admired.
Yup not too long ago many politicians in France said Putin was to be admired for his strength, defense of national interests, opposition to foreign influence etc. It was a common stance with far-right politicians (one of them even said "we need a French Putin"), but also far-left who are against most things coming from US or EU.
Since the Ukraine war they had to backpedal and claim they never said they supported Putin (Marine Le Pen, the current challenger for presidency, is even said to have frantically destroyed all photos taken with Putin for her campaign), but most of them lost a lot of credibility in the past weeks.
 
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SF Kosmo

Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I have a real hard time believing the two day claim. Even if they met zero resistance and didn't have to fire a single weapon it'd still take more than two days.
I really think they expected Ukraine to just give up, that they would be heavily outmatched and that the regular citizens wouldn't care that much and they'd just roll over.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
The prices for diesel at pumps are off the charts already, today I pumped for 53CZK (~2.10EUR)/Litre I can take this sacrifice, since it's for a good thing, but I worry how it will look in upcoming months...
 

Thaedolus

Member
The prices for diesel at pumps are off the charts already, today I pumped for 53CZK (~2.10EUR)/Litre I can take this sacrifice, since it's for a good thing, but I worry how it will look in upcoming months...
I hadn’t seen any price jumps that people were talking about until yesterday…all the sudden every grade seems to be up almost $1/gallon. I remember in 2008 having to start a new transaction on gas pumps because they’d max out at $100. Wonder if that’s still a thing, probably will find out this week….
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I hadn’t seen any price jumps that people were talking about until yesterday…all the sudden every grade seems to be up almost $1/gallon. I remember in 2008 having to start a new transaction on gas pumps because they’d max out at $100. Wonder if that’s still a thing, probably will find out this week….
It's going to be different in oil rich country like USA and my country which has almost zero oil available on it's land. But still, it seems like it's jumping no matter where, but we are should expect 2.5 EUR/liter within 2 week I read. Sadly I don't really have a money available now to buy some nice electric car. Since driving Audi A6 2018 gives you comfort which is hard to let go...
 

Wildebeest

Member
Yup not too long ago many politicians in France said Putin was to be admired for his strength, defense of national interests, opposition to foreign influence etc. It was a common stance with far-right politicians (one of them even said "we need a French Putin"), but also far-left who are against most things coming from US or EU.
Since the Ukraine war they had to backpedal and claim they never said they supported Putin (Marine Le Pen, the current challenger for presidency, is even said to have frantically destroyed all photos taken with Putin for her campaign), but most of them lost a lot of credibility in the past weeks.
To be fair to the left of the Labour Party in the UK they are sometimes too quick to use the Russian excuses and blame the west for everything, but they are also consistently anti-war and have been against Putin's wars when the mainstream were looking the other way and shaking his hand. Not sure if that is the smartest policy, though, as Putin wouldn't back down like just that because he saw a handful of old social democrats in parkas protesting in London like they were still students.
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
Yup not too long ago many politicians in France said Putin was to be admired for his strength, defense of national interests, opposition to foreign influence etc. It was a common stance with far-right politicians (one of them even said "we need a French Putin"), but also far-left who are against most things coming from US or EU.
Since the Ukraine war they had to backpedal and claim they never said they supported Putin (Marine Le Pen, the current challenger for presidency, is even said to have frantically destroyed all photos taken with Putin for her campaign), but most of them lost a lot of credibility in the past weeks.
I mean, TBH the far-right is France is an embarrassment (as far-right always is), and the left doesn't exist. I would wager Macron is waiting for the second round to rip Le Pen (who looks like she will advance to challenge him) apart for her stance on Russia. God, the woman even took Russian money for her political campaign.
 

NoviDon

Member
I don't think putin will win this, its a battle of attrition and the ukrainians are dug in. This guys is going to get desperate and commit an absolutely insane attrocity to get his way. Theres a certain point where you can't let a mad dictator wipe out masses of people and destroy the freedoms of a sovereign nation and do nothing about it. I feel like were on an inevitable path of escalation off a cliff with no handbrake, and the only way to take this thing off the tracks is for someone to take one for the team and put a bullet in the back of the conductors noggin.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I don't think putin will win this, its a battle of attrition and the ukrainians are dug in. This guys is going to get desperate and commit an absolutely insane attrocity to get his way. Theres a certain point where you can't let a mad dictator wipe out masses of people and destroy the freedoms of a sovereign nation and do nothing about it. I feel like were on an inevitable path of escalation off a cliff with no handbrake, and the only way to take this thing off the tracks is for someone to take one for the team and put a bullet in the back of the conductors noggin.

The pressure on the Russian people possibly could turn on Putin soon. Yes, a lot of people support him now, but with the Russian economy burning and the country becoming a pariah state, I'm not sure how much longer the people will continue their support.
 

Alx

Member
One would think so, but apparently right now the population ate up the propaganda and supports the war. I haven't read the full source yet, but a French journalist coming back from Moscow said on the radio this morning that 66% of the population was still behind Putin.
 

Romulus

Member
This has to be one of the worst military operations ever considering the size disparity between these two nations. They can't even coordinate a proper supply line or convoy without a traffic jam.
 

Romulus

Member
I feel like we should be far more clandestine with our support instead of brandishing. Putin is losing everywhere and the last thing we need to do now is overextend and give him and excuse to lash out.
 
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chromhound

Gold Member
Eliminating Putin, may get you someone worse. Assassinating world leaders has never been a great idea.
But what if it's someone from his own crew who's fed up with his shit
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MrMephistoX

Member
I don't think putin will win this, its a battle of attrition and the ukrainians are dug in. This guys is going to get desperate and commit an absolutely insane attrocity to get his way. Theres a certain point where you can't let a mad dictator wipe out masses of people and destroy the freedoms of a sovereign nation and do nothing about it. I feel like were on an inevitable path of escalation off a cliff with no handbrake, and the only way to take this thing off the tracks is for someone to take one for the team and put a bullet in the back of the conductors noggin.
That’s the subtle worry from many analysts I’ve seen too come day 30-60. Putin won’t back down because he’s a psychotic narcissist who can’t admit failure and much like Hitler in the end he’d rather see Moscow burn than surrender. He’s backed into a corner and so he may use something like a tactical nuke to get Ukraine to submit…sadly a small megaton tactical nuclear bomb in Kyiv might be the one assassination attempt on Zelinsky that would succeed. Hell it wouldn’t even have to be Kyiv it could be some back water in the middle of the country and it would still open Pandora’s box.
 
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haxan7

Banned
I don't think putin will win this, its a battle of attrition and the ukrainians are dug in. This guys is going to get desperate and commit an absolutely insane attrocity to get his way. Theres a certain point where you can't let a mad dictator wipe out masses of people and destroy the freedoms of a sovereign nation and do nothing about it. I feel like were on an inevitable path of escalation off a cliff with no handbrake, and the only way to take this thing off the tracks is for someone to take one for the team and put a bullet in the back of the conductors noggin.
He didn't get where he is by being easy to kill. I would put money on no one assassinating him.
 
I hadn’t seen any price jumps that people were talking about until yesterday…all the sudden every grade seems to be up almost $1/gallon. I remember in 2008 having to start a new transaction on gas pumps because they’d max out at $100. Wonder if that’s still a thing, probably will find out this week….

It had already jumped that high but on the way to work earlier today gas prices are up another $0.30 so within a week there's been an over $1.40 raise in prices.
 

belmarduk

Member
Pretty surprised Portugal is not on the list. Some heavy drinkers here. I used to be one myself. And i would never imagine Sweden or Austria on a list like this.

I couldn't believe it when I was there... a bit of a culture shock to see alcohol consumed at all times of the day and drugs offered on the street.
 

darrylgorn

Member
We're setting ourselves up for a containment of Russia at the Ukrainian border.

It makes me wonder if they will make attempts to provoke us when the time comes.
 
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