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[cormack12]

At least 198 killed in Russian invasion – Ukrainian health ministry​

The death toll so far in the Russian invasion of Ukraine is at least 198, according to the Ukrainian health ministry.
Three children are among those dead. Its head was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying that 1,115 people had been injured, including 33 children.
Reuters said it was unclear whether he was referring only to civilian casualties

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Pipeline in Kharkiv and oil terminal in Vasylkiv believed hit as US, UK and EU move to exclude ‘selected’ banks from global payments system

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kaleinc]

Ukraine are putting up an impressive defense. Russia has the numbers, but this is going to be a bloody and long war of attrition unless NATO gets its act together and thinks of a way to end this war quickly.

NATO did and does the same thing: bomb the shit out of the little guy. UN is useless, no one will help.

 

[Rossco EZ]

edit: nvm

 

[Rossco EZ]

 

[Rossco EZ]

 

[Doczu]

 

[sinnergy]

All the smooth brains who think Putin is responding to NATO aggression need to read this thread, written by someone who clearly knows a lot more about it than any of us.

And that’s how it is ..

 

[akimbo009]

Sucks, but looks like Ukrainians got the better of it.

 

[Rossco EZ]

Sucks, but looks like Ukrainians got the better of it.

yeah sucks for sure, there’s videos of Russian losses too it’s just i can’t post some for obvious reasons. this video didn’t have any dead soldiers in.

edit: here’s one actually, with all the markings on ‘Z’ that the Russians had.

 

[Star-Lord]

The Ukrainian military says they killed 3500 russians so far. That's a lot of people in 2 days.

It’s only going to get worse. We’re in the pre-WW3 stage at the moment. As it stands, the US and the UK are maintaining what can be considered a neutral stance, but give it time. We will inevitably get involved, and then shit truly will hit the fan. 3.5K deaths in two days is child’s play compared to the 100K in a single day that we’ll be seeing before too long. Coronavirus and now this? The worlds population is shrinking rapidly.

 

[Lanrutcon]

It’s only going to get worse. We’re in the pre-WW3 stage at the moment. As it stands, the US and the UK are maintaining what can be considered a neutral stance, but give it time. We will inevitably get involved, and then shit truly will hit the fan. 3.5K deaths in two days is child’s play compared to the 100K in a single day that we’ll be seeing before too long. Coronavirus and now this? The worlds population is shrinking rapidly.

It's fine. We make like, 400000 babies a day.

What's probably scarier is that more than half of them are made in India and China.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Ukraine are putting up an impressive defense. Russia has the numbers, but this is going to be a bloody and long war of attrition unless NATO gets its act together and thinks of a way to end this war quickly.

Assassinate Putin seems where this is going, someone will do it, no one but Putin wants this.

 

[MilkyJoe]

 

[sinnergy]

some are out of fuel I would say easy targets for the Ukrainian.. seems it’s a well oiled Russian war strategy

 

[MilkyJoe]

 

[sinnergy]

It’s only going to get worse. We’re in the pre-WW3 stage at the moment. As it stands, the US and the UK are maintaining what can be considered a neutral stance, but give it time. We will inevitably get involved, and then shit truly will hit the fan. 3.5K deaths in two days is child’s play compared to the 100K in a single day that we’ll be seeing before too long. Coronavirus and now this? The worlds population is shrinking rapidly.

Pre ww3 is a long way off for now .. don’t be to fast with conclusions. We don’t life in the 1930s. Russia maybe .. but most of the world is not.

 

[Star-Lord]

It's fine. We make like, 400000 babies a day.

What's probably scarier is that more than half of them are made in India and China.

Exactly. And if the rumours of China supporting Russia are to be believed, then China is building a near infinite army. It will be a while before they’re old enough to fight, granted, but WW1 lasted four years and WW2 lasted six. If this does indeed escalate to WW3, which I believe it will, I can see it lasting long enough for those 400K newborns to grow up, be trained, and be deployed. The Infinity War is about to become reality.

 

[Peggies]

It’s only going to get worse. We’re in the pre-WW3 stage at the moment. As it stands, the US and the UK are maintaining what can be considered a neutral stance, but give it time. We will inevitably get involved, and then shit truly will hit the fan. 3.5K deaths in two days is child’s play compared to the 100K in a single day that we’ll be seeing before too long. Coronavirus and now this? The worlds population is shrinking rapidly.

Will you please shut the fuck up with the whole "We're all going to die" thing? Get a grip, man!

 

[BadBurger]

Seeing as how one of the largest armies in the world is being tested by a much smaller force in a conventional war, and they're the only aggressor in this mix, the idea of WWIII occurring is rapidly diminishing. If Ukraine can do this to Russia, imagine what a combined NATO force would do? Even without US help it's looking like they'd run absolutely wildshot over Russia. Russia is looking weaker and weaker as their economy is just about to start crumbling under the effects of worldwide sanctions.

 

[Rossco EZ]

he asks if they want a tow back to russia

 

[QSD]

All the smooth brains who think Putin is responding to NATO aggression need to read this thread, written by someone who clearly knows a lot more about it than any of us.

The point of the NATO expansion narrative is not that it's objectively true, it's that Putin believes it and unfortunately we're stuck with Putin for the foreseeable future, so we're going to have to take that into account when we are trying to make policies that de-escalate. Unfortunately now Putin has gone all in so it's no longer that relevant.

 

[NoviDon]

Seeing as how one of the largest armies in the world is being tested by a much smaller force in a conventional war, and they're the only aggressor in this mix, the idea of WWIII occurring is rapidly diminishing. If Ukraine can do this to Russia, imagine what a combined NATO force would do? Even without US help it's looking like they'd run absolutely wildshot over Russia. Russia is looking weaker and weaker as their economy is just about to start crumbling under the effects of worldwide sanctions.

The Russians are way shabbier and unorganized than what I expected. They are labeled as brutal and fierce combatants but most of them are just angsty kids that want to go back home and do acid in grandmas basement. Seeing alot of outdated equipment and vehicles they are using as well. Putin wanting to make a show of strength, but really all he is doing is making himself look weak by doing this shit.

 

[QSD]

Seeing as how one of the largest armies in the world is being tested by a much smaller force in a conventional war, and they're the only aggressor in this mix, the idea of WWIII occurring is rapidly diminishing. If Ukraine can do this to Russia, imagine what a combined NATO force would do? Even without US help it's looking like they'd run absolutely wildshot over Russia. Russia is looking weaker and weaker as their economy is just about to start crumbling under the effects of worldwide sanctions.

I'm actually quite worried about what will happen if the Russians get nowhere; Putin is really *really* not happy about losing face (towards the west and towards his own population) so he will do anything to avoid that fate, which makes it hard to calculate what he might consider (e.g. nukes?)

 

[jufonuk]

Seeing as how one of the largest armies in the world is being tested by a much smaller force in a conventional war, and they're the only aggressor in this mix, the idea of WWIII occurring is rapidly diminishing. If Ukraine can do this to Russia, imagine what a combined NATO force would do? Even without US help it's looking like they'd run absolutely wildshot over Russia. Russia is looking weaker and weaker as their economy is just about to start crumbling under the effects of worldwide sanctions.

Can you imagine what would happen if after all this time the image of the hard Russian man putin so loves to portray was a lie and that the Russian army despite seeming formidable on paper were undertrained underfunded and had really outdated equipment? What would that do to Russian moral?

 

[jufonuk]

I'm actually quite worried about what will happen if the Russians get nowhere; Putin is really *really* not happy about losing face (towards the west and towards his own population) so he will do anything to avoid that fate, which makes it hard to calculate what he might consider (e.g. nukes?)

The moment that happens. Everyone is going HAM on Russia.

 

[Tumle]

Biden watching* Americans in caskets being unloaded off a C17 from Kabul versus Zelenskyy today in Kyiv. What a fucking contrast.

You just couldn’t stop yourself from conflating your own countries politics into this could you?
Did Biden look at his watch the whole time?

 

[Dr.D00p]

Can you imagine what would happen if after all this time the image of the hard Russian man putin so loves to portray was a lie and that the Russian army despite seeming formidable on paper were undertrained underfunded and had really outdated equipment? What would that do to Russian moral?

Every time Russian military hardware has gone up against the best Western military hardware, it has been found severely lacking.

Russia still has a 'quantity over quality' mentality, which is fine if you plan to start rolling across the plains of Europe in mass attacks, overwhelming defences before an organised defence can be put in place, but when you are engaging in a limited conflict of this type, the lack of quality is quickly exposed.

 

[Lord Panda]

Seeing as how one of the largest armies in the world is being tested by a much smaller force in a conventional war, and they're the only aggressor in this mix, the idea of WWIII occurring is rapidly diminishing. If Ukraine can do this to Russia, imagine what a combined NATO force would do? Even without US help it's looking like they'd run absolutely wildshot over Russia. Russia is looking weaker and weaker as their economy is just about to start crumbling under the effects of worldwide sanctions.

I’m assuming the overarching rules of engagement are to avoid civilian casualties where possible, and to minimise destruction of infrastructure. Russia has the capacity and capabilities of simply razing everything to the ground, but that would not win hearts and minds, and would most likely draw NATO and others into the war.

 

[Kittehkraken]

Seeing as how one of the largest armies in the world is being tested by a much smaller force in a conventional war, and they're the only aggressor in this mix, the idea of WWIII occurring is rapidly diminishing. If Ukraine can do this to Russia, imagine what a combined NATO force would do? Even without US help it's looking like they'd run absolutely wildshot over Russia. Russia is looking weaker and weaker as their economy is just about to start crumbling under the effects of worldwide sanctions.

Russia is fighting a war where it needs to limit how much civilian destruction it creates or NATO enters the picture. This isn't a total war scenario where superior Russian firepower can crush Ukraine.

 

[Sybrix]

Just watched Ukrainians PM latest broadcast where he said 'Anyone in the world who wishes to come to Ukraine and defend, we will give you arms'.

Absolutely astonishing

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm actually quite worried about what will happen if the Russians get nowhere; Putin is really *really* not happy about losing face (towards the west and towards his own population) so he will do anything to avoid that fate, which makes it hard to calculate what he might consider (e.g. nukes?)

You know what Putin really likes being? Alive.

I don’t think there’s a widespread realisation about how much more powerful the US is militarily than Russian.

 

[Majukun]

I'm actually quite worried about what will happen if the Russians get nowhere; Putin is really *really* not happy about losing face (towards the west and towards his own population) so he will do anything to avoid that fate, which makes it hard to calculate what he might consider (e.g. nukes?)

you don't nuke territories that you want to occupy, you nuke far away regions you want to make surrender

 

[sinnergy]

I hope Ukrainians win .. so that Russia is put back economically is set back to the 30s .. which Putin seems to love .

 

[MilkyJoe]

 

[Sybrix]

 

[thuGG_pl]

Cmon Hungary...

 

[cormack12]

BBC just said Hungary have a very pro-Russian leader. Not sure how deep that pro feeling runs like as I've no idea who is even in charge of Hungary.

 

[QSD]

You know what Putin really likes being? Alive.

I don’t think there’s a widespread realisation about how much more powerful the US is militarily than Russian.

The US won't involve itself militarily. Besides that, Putin might be at a time in his life where he cares more about his legacy than his retirement. There's a good chance he won't be able to 'retire' in any meaningful way, he has too many enemies.

you don't nuke territories that you want to occupy, you nuke far away regions you want to make surrender

You are expecting Putin to be fully rational, IDK about that. He might also consider just carpet bombing a number of cities to force surrender if push comes to shove.

 

[funkygunther]

BBC just said Hungary have a very pro-Russian leader. Not sure how deep that pro feeling runs like as I've no idea who is even in charge of Hungary.

they're still one of the few hold-outs from banning Russia from the SWIFT payment network, the leader is Victor Orban and I know he's a populist which I guess makes him a de-facto Russia fan in this age

 

[QSD]

BBC just said Hungary have a very pro-Russian leader. Not sure how deep that pro feeling runs like as I've no idea who is even in charge of Hungary.

Hungary is ruled by Orban, far right/proto-fascist reactionary (and friend of some of the more radical IDW crowd, unfortunately)

 

[thuGG_pl]

BBC just said Hungary have a very pro-Russian leader. Not sure how deep that pro feeling runs like as I've no idea who is even in charge of Hungary.

It's Viktor Orban. And their media is pro russian also basically justifying Russia.

 

[cormack12]

So no chance of the Swift stuff going through then? Russia won't condemn/deplore themselves so the UN can't. Even if everyone agrees to remove Swift access, Hungary holding out mean they can't? Crazy

 

[funkygunther]

So no chance of the Swift stuff going through then? Russia won't condemn/deplore themselves so the UN can't. Even if everyone agrees to remove Swift access, Hungary holding out mean they can't? Crazy

still Hungary and Germany, I'd say there's still a chance it'll happen even if it means further Russian escalation before they decide to do it

 

[BadBurger]

still Hungary and Germany, I'd say there's still a chance it'll happen even if it means further Russian escalation before they decide to do it

Hungary joined NATO back in like 1999. I wonder what polling in that country would actually look like today (about this decision).

 

[RoadHazard]

No, I am saying they threw away two opportunities to do so and there will not be a third.

Go back to daddy Putin instead of spreading your propaganda here.

 

[Hypereides]

So no chance of the Swift stuff going through then? Russia won't condemn/deplore themselves so the UN can't. Even if everyone agrees to remove Swift access, Hungary holding out mean they can't? Crazy

Macron expressed interest in going forward with the idea yesterday evening, stated to ban Russia from it. Germany have apparently, changed stance regarding the notion and have become open it. Its supposedly part of the third planned sanctions wave.

 

[Majukun]

The US won't involve itself militarily. Besides that, Putin might be at a time in his life where he cares more about his legacy than his retirement. There's a good chance he won't be able to 'retire' in any meaningful way, he has too many enemies.


You are expecting Putin to be fully rational, IDK about that. He might also consider just carpet bombing a number of cities to force surrender if push comes to shove.

i have no doubt that putin is completely rational at this point, ruthless of course, but he knows what he is doing, at least in terms of this invasion, the non response from the rest of the nato block and the invasion seems to be going according to plan.
the long term effects, aka how the rest of the world will interface with russia in the future, that's another question, but at this point Putin is probably just looking to either go the isolationist route as a "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" kind of strategy, or he hopes that time will heal everything and the situation will normalize with time.

 

[funkygunther]

Hungary joined NATO back in like 1999. I wonder what polling in that country would actually look like today (about this decision).

couple of years ago, was pretty favourable...not sure if anything would have changed so dramatically now but then don't know what Hungarians are being told about this conflict either

NATO Seen Favorably Across Member States

NATO is generally seen in a positive light across countries in the alliance, but many express reservations about fulfilling Article 5’s collective defense obligations.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Kittehkraken]

Dumb.

Do people really want Russia to show what its actually capable of? Because i don't.

The war would have been over already if Russia was unrestrained in its use of force. And another would have been gearing up.

 

[Hypereides]

Lol, the Russian ministry of digital development, communication and media have forbade Russian media to use descriptive terms like "war" and "invasion" in relation to the ongoing situation in Ukraine.