Ryan Lochte, 32 yo drunk "kid", pees in public, tried to bribe a dude, guns(?!?)

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Weevilone said:
Dragging people off planes severely affects the images of the games and the country.
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Not for me. I'm glad the brazilian authorities aren't bending over to american bullies. I mean as things are looking like they are the ones that got themselves in this mess.
 
I honestly don't care if they are punished or not, and I bet they don't either, they are rich. Their image taking a hit is already punishment enough for me, and that's what they tried to avoid by lying and joining the exaggerated Rio hate.

The London Olympics weren't finished in time either and a lot of people come back from Paris and New York without their cellphones and purses.

Welcome to planet Earth.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
Hmm, I don't know if I would call it an overreaction. Personally, I think they just lied to friend and didn't expect it to become this big. But it did get this big. So you have a well known set of athletes claiming that the police, or someone posing as the police threatened them. That's a pretty serious investigation. Not because of the robbery but because you have a worldwide reported case that the police (or someone posing as them) is around the Olympics at a time where people are at high alert.

They got yanked because the story isn't jiving and there is no fucking way they would have come back voluntarily, especially if the story doesn't hold water.

I feel like this whole thing should be fixed with a public apology if they just made it up. Jail or whatever else people are talking about is just going to be more drama that it's worth.
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The thing is, right or not, this is a bad look for Brazil. Tourists being yanked off a plane for what amounts to lying isn't the sort of thing that says "oh hey, maybe I *should* check out Christ the Redeemer soon" for foreign tourists.

I get that you don't like false police reports being out there (though, they didn't seek out police reports, the police sought them out because of bad press being generated by what was an interview at the time), but the reaction has basically turned my wife off of visiting Brazil anytime soon. Part of being a tourist destination is putting up with tourists kind of being assholes. Any city that courts tourists is going to deal with "ugly americans" (or ugly whoever the fuck is visiting and doesn't understand local customs).

This is a relatively minor occurrence that ended with passports being confiscated and people being yanked off of an airplane and not allowed to return home. This is somewhat reminiscent of other countries where relatively minor crimes are met with what feels like extreme punishment. Which is Brazil's prerogative obviously if they want to do that. Just don't get your panties in a bunch if people from other countries want to point out it looks like overcompensation from a country that has a rap for being a corrupt semi-functional government.
 
Weevilone said:
Dragging people off planes severely affects the images of the games and the country.
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you keep posting this, but all i see is that many press sites are now reporting this as the swimmers fault or at least dubious behaviour on them.
 
Between 1:55 and 2:55 or so on the video, you clearly them being ordered out of the cab (one of them possibly removing a watch at 2:01) being careful to show their empty hands at all times and being ordered to sit on the curb while showing their hands to someone with a gun.. someone who isn't a cop.

Locthe might have exaggerated, but if Brazil thinks this video makes their passport seizure somehow justifiable I don't know what they are watching.
 
ShowDog said:
This video doesn't help the Brazilians case at all. Sure Lochte and crew were likely being assholes, but none of that is on video and you could justify just about everything they have claimed if you just look at the facts from their perspective. Yes they were pulled out of a taxi. Yes the guy detaining them had a firearm. Yes they were sat down on a curb, with hands up, by the guy with a firearm. Yes they gave him cash to be allowed to leave. Pulling people off of planes for this is embarrassing, they should have just released the facts to save face and left it at that.

With that said Lochte is really reflecting poorly on Americans here with his behavior, both during and after the incident. His swimming bros still in the country can't be too happy about things either.

Edit: Also, I'd love to see the rest of the video footage that was conveniently left out. Interesting that half of the stations fuel pumps weren't being monitored by the camera, and that the guy with the weapon happened to be standing in that area.
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This ^^^

If anything Lochte may be looking bad for conveniently leaving out the part about breaking the bathroom door -- but if him and his friends really were strong armed by a secuirty guard with a gun and force to give up their cash that's still a crime. It's just not quite as innocent a story as Lochte may have first said to the media. Brazil still seems like they're stretching things to try and avoid the L here.
 
Calamari41 said:
There are several issues here. The apparent fabrication of the incident is one. The other is the fact that the state wasted these resources to begin with. Their response should have been "file a report and we'll get right on it." When they refused to file a report, say "yeah ok then buddy, I'm sure you were mugged." The waste of state resources on this is on both parties. That's what happens when you start a federal case based on a vague daytime TV interview.
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If you have a person with international visibility saying he was robbed in your country, police will investigate even if it was not called. It that was not the case, international media and even the people here would be bashing brazilian police for take no action to jail the criminals, if they existed.
 
This whole thing is so dumb. These guys go around being drunk entitled Olympic athletes, get in trouble, then claim robbery. What a stupid thing to lie about, and what a bunch of dumbasses. Good job on tarnishing your reputation you idiots.

Like I guarantee this isn't even the first time an American has gone to a Rio convenience store and pissed on the floor and broken a door. It sounds like something a bunch of rowdy drunk guys might do.
 
Prost said:
I'm a page or two behind on the thread, is there a video now?
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http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/...mostra-confusao-com-nadadores-americanos.html



This doesn't prove anything in favor of Brazil at all. In fact it proves something DID happen and they were held against their will. Also look at the timer, from the moment they were ordered to leave the taxi to the shot of the alley there was a full 2 minutes difference.



dave is ok said:
Between 1:55 and 2:55 or so on the video, you clearly them being ordered out of the cab (one of them possibly removing a watch at 2:01) being careful to show their empty hands at all times and being ordered to sit on the curb while showing their hands to someone with a gun.. someone who isn't a cop.

Locthe might have exaggerated, but if Brazil thinks this video makes their passport seizure somehow justifiable I don't know what they are watching.
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Exactly.
 
StoOgE said:
The thing is, right or not, this is a bad look for Brazil. Tourists being yanked off a plane for what amounts to lying isn't the sort of thing that says "oh hey, maybe I *should* check out Christ the Redeemer soon" for foreign tourists.
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I recommend you to read your post again because it makes no sense.
 
dave is ok said:
Between 1:55 and 2:55 or so on the video, you clearly them being ordered out of the cab (one of them possibly removing a watch at 2:01) being careful to show their empty hands at all times and being ordered to sit on the curb while showing their hands to someone with a gun.. someone who isn't a cop.

Locthe might have exaggerated, but if Brazil thinks this video makes their passport seizure somehow justifiable I don't know what they are watching.
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I didn't even notice that before, you're right. They are told to get out of the car, keep their hands visible, and sit on the curb with their hands up/out. What's up with that episode? And the two missing minutes?

Dehumanizer said:
If you have a person with international visibility saying he was robbed in your country, police will investigate even if it was not called. It that was not the case, international media and even the people here would be bashing brazilian police for take no action to jail the criminals, if they existed.
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Is there a case of this happening in the US? I ask out of ignorance. The cops at most will do "preliminary" kind of work, to make sure the scene is secure, and maybe beef up security when something like that happens most of the time. Which is what the Brazilian authorities did in response to that bus of journalists who said that they were all shot at. I don't think they tried to find the perps in that case, right?
 
Lochte and co prove that you can be a shit head and a great swimmer at the same time.

I don't think this was ever in doubt, but science is about testing for falsification.
 
moai said:
you keep posting this, but all i see is that many press sites are now reporting this as the swimmers fault or at least dubious behaviour on them.
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Of course it's dubious behavior, but it's an overreaction.

Plus we don't and likely will never know all the facts. This "bathroom door" may have been used to shake people down for the last 2 years. That kind of crap happens. I was in a South American country riding in a jeep, likely in a place that I'd never go nowadays.. with a policeman clearly in view, a small child approached the jeep and tried to sell me drugs. Policeman was staring right at me, and my main thoughts were ... so am I going to get shaken down if I buy the drugs, or if I don't buy the drugs..?

I would imagine the true story is a version of what the swimmers told, but they probably embellished it for effect in the village and then the tall take took off.
 
I graduated in law school here in Brazil, report a crime that does not exist is a crime, BUT the penalty is very small, they will only pay indemnities

and to retain a passport is common procedure to a suspect that can leave the country (and AFAIK in any country)


so chill out guys, nothing will happen and the authorities are doing the regular procedure
 
Eylos said:
I graduated in law school here in Brazil, report a crime that does not exist is a crime, BUT the penalty is very small, they will only pay indemnities

and to retain a passport is common procedure to a suspect that can leave the country (and AFAIK in any country)


so chill out guys, nothing will happen and the authorities are doing the regular procedure
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What about a situation where the authorities do not receive a report from the victims, but hear about it from a third party and decide to launch the investigation on their own?
 
Prost said:
Um, but a crime did happen? A security guard pulling a gun on guys at a gas station and forcing them to empty their wallets is robbery. Even if they did damage the bathroom, you can't hold a gun to them and steal their money as compensation. ??
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See in Brazilian gaffer's standard, that's not a crime. Also they are taking the gas station owner's words at face value which is lol.
 
Calamari41 said:
I didn't even notice that before, you're right. They are told to get out of the car, keep their hands visible, and sit on the curb with their hands up/out. What's up with that episode?
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That's what I'm saying. The video proved something DID happen. They were clearly ordered out of their car with hands up. You really can't see what happened next because it was out of view and the next back-alley shot jumped a full 2 minutes. They were clearly held against their will.

For Brazil to downplay this like nothing happened is insane.
 
andythinkpad said:
See in Brazilian gaffer's standard, that's not a crime. Also they are taking the gas station owner's words at face value which is lol.
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Yea clearly we have different culture issues here. That would be a pretty serious crime here in the U.S. Pulling a gun on someone and detaining them would be a couple felonies for sure
 
Weevilone said:
Of course it's dubious behavior, but it's an overreaction.

Plus we don't and likely will never know all the facts. This "bathroom door" may have been used to shake people down for the last 2 years. That kind of crap happens. I was in a South American country riding in a jeep, likely in a place that I'd never go nowadays.. with a policeman clearly in view, a small child approached the jeep and tried to sell me drugs. Policeman was staring right at me, and my main thoughts were ... so am I going to get shaken down if I buy the drugs, or if I don't buy the drugs..?

I would imagine the true story is a version of what the swimmers told, but they probably embellished it for effect in the village and then the tall take took off.
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There's a distinct lack of actual shakedown in your anecdote.
 
Weevilone said:
Of course it's dubious behavior, but it's an overreaction.
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It's only an overreaction because Lochte said the gun was pressed to his forehead and made a big drama out of it. He dug his own grave. That's all his fault. He could have paid for the damages and leave. But I guess that's not what drunk people do.
 
StoOgE said:
The thing is, right or not, this is a bad look for Brazil. Tourists being yanked off a plane for what amounts to lying isn't the sort of thing that says "oh hey, maybe I *should* check out Christ the Redeemer soon" for foreign tourists.

I get that you don't like false police reports being out there, but the reaction has basically turned my wife off of visiting Brazil anytime soon. Part of being a tourist destination is putting up with tourists kind of being assholes. Any city that courts tourists is going to deal with "ugly americans" (or ugly whoever the fuck is visiting and doesn't understand local customs).

This is a relatively minor occurrence that ended with passports being confiscated and people being yanked off of an airplane and not allowed to return home. This is somewhat reminiscent of other countries where relatively minor crimes are met with what feels like extreme punishment. Which is Brazil's prerogative obviously if they want to do that. Just don't get your panties in a bunch if people from other countries want to point out it looks like overcompensation from a country that has a rap for being a corrupt semi-functional government.
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True, I agree that this is not smart but the context of a Golden medalist, an international celebrity, lying about having a gun pulled on his head by fake cops during the Olympic Games calls for serious investigation, and I don't need even to talk about the country's image, it's a matter of international security, normally this would be held by the Rio de Janeiro state police but the Federal police is the one responsible, because we are really taking the event as serious as we can. If any regular tourist think they shouldn't visit Brazil because of something like this would happen to them are just not thinking straight or are disinformed, the police won't held any passport because of something minor like this, but Olympic athletes and the Olympics are obviously treated different, we are talking about something too big.
 
dave is ok said:
Everyone is treating a video that proves something happened as proof that nothing happened
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Because those who saw it before anyone else poisoned the well, and people took their word for it. Repeat viewings of the video do indeed show that something happened, and a broken door is not one of the things that it shows happening. Unless I missed that part...
 
dave is ok said:
Everyone is treating a video that proves something happened as proof that nothing happened
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We still don't know what is that something. We don't know what the exchange was. There was talk that they wanted to call police on them, so maybe they were taken out of the taxi at gunpoint I guess and then settled it between both parties. We have to wait more info.
 
No one in here has said that Lochte told the truth. Of course he lied.

He said they were robbed right outside the village and there is video evidence to the contrary.

Eila said:
We still don't know what is that something. We don't know what the exchange was. There was talk that they wanted to call police on them, so maybe they were taken out of the taxi at gunpoint I guess and then settled it between both parties. We have to wait more info.
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Being taken out of a taxi at gunpoint and being forced to hand over money is robbery.
 
andythinkpad said:
See in Brazilian gaffer's standard, that's not a crime. Also they are taking the gas station owner's words at face value which is lol.
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The funny thing is that if all this happened in the USA, a significant part of the thread would immediately assume the police were lying until otherwise proven.
 
Calamari41 said:
There are several issues here. The apparent fabrication of the incident is one. The other is the fact that the state wasted these resources to begin with. Their response should have been "file a report and we'll get right on it." When they refused to file a report, say "yeah ok then buddy, I'm sure you were mugged." The waste of state resources on this is on both parties. That's what happens when you start a federal case based on a vague daytime TV interview.
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Not every crime needs to have a report filled to be investigated specially those involving firearms, this is also important on heavy crimes places like Brazil where people may not file a report because out of fear.

"well this guy is dead, he cant file a complaint, case closed then"
 
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