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Sega "intrigued" by Revolution backwards compatibility
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Fiability, fiability, fiability...Yamaha98 said:
I'm concerned about it, and I'm sure Nintendo too. The failure rate of Hard disk after a few years is orders of magnitude greater with hdd... I vastly prefer a flash memory, I just hope that it's expandable.
There's also a size problem. Where could you fit a hard drive in the revolution ? Even a 2"5 one would be difficult, a 1"5 one, on the other hand, would be insanely expensive.
As for cost, a 512Mo flash memory probably cost less than 15$ (512Mo SD, with protections and such, are currently sold for less than 25$). I doubt you could find a hdd for such a price, especially a 2"5 one.
Largest SNES games are 6Mbytes. N64 ones are 16-32Mbytes at most.AniHawk said:
512Mo will be sufficient for 95% of peoples. Moreover, if you can download again a previous donwloaded game, there's nearly no problem for anybody.
For hardcore gamers, the possibility of using a SD to expand the 512Mbytes would be interesting. But I doubt those particular gamers would be afraid by an extension.
OG_Original Gamer
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radcliff said:
Yeah, I think when it is said that the shell is similar to the Wavebird, it means shape(mold) and size. If it was a exact replica, they would have displayed already.
Also, I had been wondering how we were supposed to play SNES games on the Revolution controller. It only has two buttons accessible that mimics the NES controller.
I'm getting an image in my head of a controller with the diamond button layout, with four shoulder buttons(2 similar to the SNES shoulder buttons, 2 GC triggers.
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sangreal said:
It doesn't have any Nintendo games from 15 years ago.
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marc^o^ said:
15 years of Nintendo.
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Vieo said:
ROMs haven't cut into the sales of those Atari Flashback consoles or classic-game compilations, though. And you'd think they would. Besides, the average consumer does not know about ROMs, nor where to get them, nor how to modify their system to play them. The GameCube never really got "cracked" did it? So what makes you think the Revo would be?
OG_Original Gamer said:
You're forgetting the N64. The shell would need 6 face buttons, unless they're planning on mapping the 4 camera buttons to the C-stick (I don't think that would work with a lot of games).
I realize that a lot of games may simply have control workarounds, but if they're going to make a shell they might as well make it compatible with all of the systems from the get go.
"Who could possibly ask for a better launch line-up?"
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Is that the line now? Old games from previous systems do not a good launch make!
Anyway, this would be awesome. Ten years ago I would never have guessed there would be a time when I'd be playing some sort of weird Genesis-SNES combo system, SEGA and NINTENDO under the same roof. I'd buy quite a few Genesis game if that were true. Probably not dabble in Master System too much, though. And if they offer Dreamcast games? Awesome.
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Is that the line now? Old games from previous systems do not a good launch make!
Anyway, this would be awesome. Ten years ago I would never have guessed there would be a time when I'd be playing some sort of weird Genesis-SNES combo system, SEGA and NINTENDO under the same roof. I'd buy quite a few Genesis game if that were true. Probably not dabble in Master System too much, though. And if they offer Dreamcast games? Awesome.
dirtyjfosho
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If this is true, then
Revo +10!!!
that would deffinaly make this damn thing sell ithink
Revo +10!!!
that would deffinaly make this damn thing sell ithink
JoshuaJSlone
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Even if the average user were to buy 4 each of the largest N64, SNES, NES, and Genesis games, they'd have half their space left.LegendofJoe said:
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They should go down the XBLA route and get even more publishers to commit games for backwards compatability/emulation whatever. Good news though.
WrathOfOtaibah
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1) Why should Nintendo just release a Wavebird like controller for their BC games? I'd rather them release NES, SNES, and N64 controllers that are of course wireless and multicolored. They would sell faster than hotcakes.
2) That would be awesome if Sega released a bunch of games but I don't want it to stop with Genesis. Going by game sizes on emulators, Sega could probably distribute games that went up Model 2 or Titan ST-V in size. A lot of those games are in the 10-30 MB range, about the size of many N64 carts.
3) The SD approach is simple. Most consumers will never go past the 512 MB point. They'll just download some of the most popular games and probably not even use half of the flash space. Nintendo has been making SD an expandable standard since Game Cube.
4) Revolution will be cracked easier than GC. It uses a DVD-ROM drive. I imagine they are using DVD-9s but if they are using some 10-12 GB format like whats rumored, its the same situation with the Dreamcast. All a pirate needs are two DVD-9s and you're set.
2) That would be awesome if Sega released a bunch of games but I don't want it to stop with Genesis. Going by game sizes on emulators, Sega could probably distribute games that went up Model 2 or Titan ST-V in size. A lot of those games are in the 10-30 MB range, about the size of many N64 carts.
3) The SD approach is simple. Most consumers will never go past the 512 MB point. They'll just download some of the most popular games and probably not even use half of the flash space. Nintendo has been making SD an expandable standard since Game Cube.
4) Revolution will be cracked easier than GC. It uses a DVD-ROM drive. I imagine they are using DVD-9s but if they are using some 10-12 GB format like whats rumored, its the same situation with the Dreamcast. All a pirate needs are two DVD-9s and you're set.
TheJesusFactor
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JoshuaJSlone said:
Can't you tranfers the ROM onto your computer Harddrive and free up space that way. Just have a PC flash card reader. 1 gig SD cards are going for $50 now, it will probably be around $30 when Revolution launches, with 2Gig cards at $50.
While I'm very glad to see a hint in the direction of playing Sega games on the Rev's download service, the one announcement that I've been waiting for Nintendo to make for the service still hasn't arrived; that they plan to release USB versions of their NES/SNES/N64 controllers for use with the service. It's the only reasonable way to accomodate all the games as they were meant to be played and, much more importantly, it means I'll be able to play Goldeneye again with a brand new analog stick!
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Beer Monkey
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Sega, get this stuff out for XBL now! I'm getting a Rev but this stuff should be on as many platforms as possible (and with achievements, online play, etc.).
As far as Saturn/Dreamcast go, some games could fit in a reasonable sized download but most would just be too damned big.
As far as Saturn/Dreamcast go, some games could fit in a reasonable sized download but most would just be too damned big.
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OG_Original Gamer said:
yeah...having a back catalogue of sega and nintendo games would really seal the deal for me.
marc^o^ said:What differentiates Rev arcade emulation from XBLA? (Apart from Nintendo games of course)
well, devs dont have to do much work on rev arcade. if they have the roms, it will work since the console are actually emulated.. (they do have the option to recode things if they want).. on xbox arcade they need to recode everything. so im guessing you might end up seeing more games on rev arcade since it would be so easy for a company to throw shit on there.
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Foil said:
don't sega games generally sell better on nintendo consoles than on Xbox?
XBLA might be popular, but is sega popular on xbla?
marc^o^ said:
Emulation is EASY if you know the hardware.
Obviously, if Sega was onboard, then Nintendo would know the hardware.
I am certain revilution will have the power to emulate the Saturn.
(Whether or not it actually happens is another issue)
The DC, however, is probably out of the question - DC games are too large, and the hardware probably can't be done in Revmulation.
Just because the warez/romz/emulation scene can't do it, that doesn't mean it can't be done.
The people trying to write the emulators don't know SHIT about the hardware compared to the people who actually designed and built the damned thing.
Once your CPU can't handle the emulation,y ou have to turn to the GPU. THIS is a mighty fine task, since CPU instructions are all pretty much the same, and what you don't have you can get by mixing other instructions, and you've got the extra clocks to compensate for that. GPUs, however, are radically different from eachother. You have to make more adjustments to get the same result, and you have to have the CPU help coordinate shit.
Anyway, the DC is probably not doable powerwise AND because of the GD-ROM issue.
Now, if Sega wanted to release a few hit titles as Revgames, they could re-code them for the Rev API (which is almost exactly the same as the GC API) and slap them on a DVD. They could sell that crap like Capcom did for Resident Evil 2, 3, and Code Veronica on GC, and have disappointing sales. OR, they could do full remakes of hit titles and kick ass like Capcom did with REmake (but still have low sales
Fuckers.)But the Saturn is totally doable.
Plus - didn't I make a topic about this (Sega Rev Download) last week?
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Jacobi said:
I thought that the 512 meg of Flash memory was going to be for internal stuff (emulators, system patches, and all that), while the game downloads would generally be stored on the SD-Cards.
I'd love it if Sega would bring their back catalog to the Rev, but if the rumors about the strength of the console were true, could it really pull off Saturn emulation (let alone Dreamcast, not to mention the Microsoft involvement with some of the games, and I believe the console's OS, Dragon), or would 32X be the top limit?
If Saturn was available, imagine the WEALTH of classics that companies could farm out for cheap translations and sell to a new market. There were a ton of Saturn games that never made it to US shores that would be excellent to finally get a crack at. As it is, all those nearly arcade-perfect Capcom fighters... yum.
Fantasy-land PC-Engine inclusion would be wonderful, too, since lately I've become somewhat interested in that console. I really can't see that happening, but it would be great.
I questioned this before, though, how will Nintendo handle the games with no physical rating, versus the general ESRB-expected ratings now? Will they censor any of the games even further? (Very likely, considering what they did to Ocarina of Time on the GC "Collector's Edition" disc.) Back to fantasy land, some of the PC-Engine stuff (especially when I'm saying PC-Engine, not TG-16) could get pretty racy (or at least fanservice-y) for a console game.
ghostlyjoe
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This is all the virtual console really needs: Sega + Nintendo (Capcom would be really, really nice as well). Other third-parties' games are just a bonus to me.
And this may be hard for some of the 360 gamers on here to accept, but XBLA can NEVER match the virtual console simply because of Nintendo's first-party offerings. As a whole, looking at games development since its inception, I think it's pretty safe to say that Nintendo has been the very best.
And this may be hard for some of the 360 gamers on here to accept, but XBLA can NEVER match the virtual console simply because of Nintendo's first-party offerings. As a whole, looking at games development since its inception, I think it's pretty safe to say that Nintendo has been the very best.
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conker said:
Don't remember the details, but they changed a shield's design because it looked too similar to something else. There were also little changes throughout the two GCN releases of OoT, but the shield is the most significant one that I can recall.
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ghostlyjoe said:
I'm a purely objective gamer (I buy and support every platform), and I think that the new games are the best part of XBLA. Will I be able to play Geometry Wars and Outpost Kaloki on the virtual console?
