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[Zornica]

Wow, the european version allows miiverse screenshots , now we know what took them so long

ultimate version confirmed?

at least that's something...

 

[Ultratech]

Don't negotiate when there's more than one enemy alive in the beginning of the game.

Pretty good advice in general.

Here's a repeat of the stuff I found out while playing last year:

All it takes is just a little bit of bad luck RNG to completely ruin your day.

Also, avoid giving enemies Macca when necessary.
It's really hard to come by early on, and you can still successfully negotiate most of the time.

Scouting demons is really semi-random.
You can do everything they want, and they may not join.
(Conversely, I had one where I straight-up refused everything and the demon joined my party because he liked my stubbornness.)

You'll often get the choices to do stuff like "Cheat" or "End Talks" while negotiating.
Cheat can often help out to get out of giving up an item or whatever, but some enemies will see through it. Assume it works once if it's successful.

End Talks will attempt to end the negotiation.
Usually, if this pops up, you have a fairly decent chance of the demon joining, and at all else, you won't get attacked.

I managed to get a lot of demons by using End Talks since they'll typically reconsider and all that.

If a demon wants you to pay a bunch of Macca straight-up and skip Negotiations, then you have a very high chance (90%?) of the demon joining should you pay them.

The Scout app skills are actually pretty handy to have, so consider investing in them once you got some extra App points.
Apart from less stuff to deal with, you'll be getting quite a bit of money and items everytime you Scout a demon.

 

[ramyeon]

Demon negotiation isn't random is it? It definitely seems to be linked to their family types. Take Chagrin for example, who's a Wilder type. When I was trying to recruit one it was always stealing the stuff I gave it and taking off - every time without fail. Couldn't cheat through it either, so I decided to just refuse everything he demanded of me and then he said I had guts and joined me. There definitely seems to be patterns in the responses and what they will or won't accept depending on their mood/how much you've pissed them off up until that point in the dialogue.

It's been way too long since I've played a SMT game, having so much fun with this. About 4 hours in already and only just made it to the first demon domain since I've been grinding so much. Not out of necessity but just because I love the battle system so much haha.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

what the hell kind of a name is Isabeau?

 

[Imp the Dimp]

My MC got 2-shot by enemies in the 1st dungeon wow.

 

[Jb]

what the hell kind of a name is Isabeau?

Medieval french name. Fitting I suppose.

 

[toastyToast]

Demon negotiation isn't random is it? It definitely seems to be linked to their family types. Take Chagrin for example, who's a Wilder type. When I was trying to recruit one it was always stealing the stuff I gave it and taking off - every time without fail. Couldn't cheat through it either, so I decided to just refuse everything he demanded of me and then he said I had guts and joined me. There definitely seems to be patterns in the responses and what they will or won't accept depending on their mood/how much you've pissed them off up until that point in the dialogue.

It's been way too long since I've played a SMT game, having so much fun with this. About 4 hours in already and only just made it to the first demon domain since I've been grinding so much. Not out of necessity but just because I love the battle system so much haha.

I don't know. I never really noticed a pattern. Just did random shit until eventually one joined me. The strategy that I used was refuse 2 times then concede on the third. 60% of the time it worked every time!

Oh yeah, and keep grinding muhahahahaha

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Medieval french name. Fitting I suppose.

Sounds so weird in English. Isabeau usually becomes Elisabeth

 

[ramyeon]

I don't know. I never really noticed a pattern. Just did random shit until eventually one joined me. The strategy that I used was refuse 2 times then concede on the third. 60% of the time it worked every time!

Oh yeah, and keep grinding muhahahahaha

I'm sure there's some random element to it but it's not completely random that's for sure, there are definitely answers which seem more likely to please certain types of demons based on their personalities. Once you work that out it feels like you have a higher success rate.

And yeah I tend to grind pretty habitually in SMT games anyway so I don't forsee having too many issues with that lol.

 

[Dantis]

That OT title is sublime.

 

[Hedge]

I have super terrible luck in negotiating with demons. It's not uncommon to scout 15-20 demons in a row without them joining. Pretty annoying.
I've started using their alignemt to fit my answers to, and I think I've gotten further than I usually do. Though that doesn't always work when all the answers are like that "Submit? Submit? Submit?"-guy.

 

[Korigama]

One other bit of advice with negotiations is to limit just how many things you give each one. Ideally, you should comply with only three requests at most, then end talks should they keep asking for stuff.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

first team in place

I have no idea what I'm doing, but they all seem cool

 

[aravuus]

Napaea lasted fairly long for me thanks to Dia. Definitely keep her until she gets all her skills and you can whisper that Dia to Flynn too.

Then start fusing the fuck out of the demons lol

 

[fierrotlepou]

Finally. Downloading this at the moment! I hope it's good.

 

[Zareka]

Nope, doesn't work like that.

Bah, damn. Thought it would work like it does everywhere else. Oh well, only looks to be armour and stuff so it's not that big a deal.

 

[E_Darkness]

I'm a big baby so I deleted FE:A for the space and now I'm downloading SMTIV over 3G. WHO NEEDS PATIENCE?

 

[Soulhouf]

I started another playthrough (my 11th so far) .

 

[ramyeon]

Party as of Kiccigiorgi Forest's first area.

 

[aravuus]

Huh, the story is actually shaping up to be really interesting. I don't remember caring about Nocturne's story too much so I wasn't really expecting anything. Nice surprise.

 

[gngf123]

Right, here we go. Downloading now.

Looks like it'll take a while, but it's nice to finally be able to get it.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Love that thread title.
Awesome you guys get miiverse; I'm actually a little jealous. I've been saving my final play for miiverse functionality.

 

[Meneses]

Died on my second fight after getting the Scout ability (made the mistake of negotiating when there were 3 demons on screen, I learned quickly lol)

Kept on playing and wWhen I looked at the watch 3 hours had passed, seems to be pretty good so far.

 

[mikeybass]

Absolutely loving this game, put about three hours in last night before my battery died after yesterday's uber download.

Might start again though based on some of the build advice (I dumped into strength).

BTW, is Burroughs voice actress someone from the Mass Effect series? I swear I can occasionally hear Liara and/or Aria in there

 

[Atlas157]

Absolutely loving this game, put about three hours in last night before my battery died after yesterday's uber download.

Might start again though based on some of the build advice (I dumped into strength).

BTW, is Burroughs voice actress someone from the Mass Effect series? I swear I can occasionally hear Liara and/or Aria in there

When I level up I always put 3 points in MA, and 1 point for AG and LU. I steamrolled the game this way.

Burroughs has the same VA as Liara.

 

[Korigama]

Absolutely loving this game, put about three hours in last night before my battery died after yesterday's uber download.

Might start again though based on some of the build advice (I dumped into strength).

BTW, is Burroughs voice actress someone from the Mass Effect series? I swear I can occasionally hear Liara and/or Aria in there

That one (Ali Hillis). She also voiced Lightning in FFXIII.

 

[Zafir]

As much as I don't mind Ali Hillis as a VA, she sure does get annoying courtesy of the game reusing the same lines all the damn time.

 

[Zareka]

All I know Burroughs as is a passive aggressive douchebag since most of my playthrough so far has been standing in the one spot wondering what to do.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Should I just capture like a mofo? I stopped after reaching a full party, and started killing, but you can probably keep a good few stashed as well?

Dat demon greed though, smh

 

[mikeybass]

Thanks for the confirmation GAF, I knew I wasn't imagining it!

Does anyone know if there are any repercussions for knocking the difficulty down (aside from being called a noob and told to git gud etc)?

Or should I just persevere?

That first dungeon is super hard though.

 

[ramyeon]

Should I just capture like a mofo? I stopped after reaching a full party, and started killing, but you can probably keep a good few stashed as well?

Dat demon greed though, smh

You want to bring as many demons into your party as you can even if just for fusion fodder. Once your reserves are full, fuse to get higher level demons.

 

[aravuus]

Should I just capture like a mofo? I stopped after reaching a full party, and started killing, but you can probably keep a good few stashed as well?

Dat demon greed though, smh

Recruit, fuse, recruit, fuse, recruit, fuse MORE

 

[Joqu]

Speaking of fusion can I really not fuse the old way in this? The recommended ones are nice and all that but having to go through fusion search whenever I want something else? I don't like that. :l

 

[omlet]

Speaking of fusion can I really not fuse the old way in this? The recommended ones are nice and all that but having to go through fusion search whenever I want something else? I don't like that. :l

Fusion search only shows demons you can fuse with what you have. It doesn't show you fusions you can do with demons saved in your Compendium. The exception to that is special fusions which will let you auto-summon for the normal cost during fusion. <-- Edit: I'm talking about the default settings search. You can search the compendium (it's a check box at the bottom of the list on search options) but it won't take long for you to get so many demons in there that you can't just do a full compendium search because it will have too many results and you will have to add a more filters. It's a bit cumbersome doing it that way.

Compared to Devil Survivor (most recent SMT I've played so it's freshest in memory), where you can review every summon combination ever, the interface in IV feels like a downgrade. On the other hand, because of the variety of demons and the relatively short time you actually use them compared to DS, I fuse new demons a lot more frequently. This game feels like it has more "fusion forward momentum" than a game like DS where you would use the same demon for a very long time due to its skillset vs the current suite of enemies at a stage of the game and unlike in DS I have not really felt a need to go back and fuse/re-fuse lower level demons (yet).

 

[Korigama]

Fusion search only shows demons you can fuse with what you have. It doesn't show you fusions you can do with demons saved in your Compendium. The exception to that is special fusions which will let you auto-summon for the normal cost during fusion.

Compared to Devil Survivor (most recent SMT I've played so it's freshest in memory), where you can review every summon combination ever, the interface in IV feels like a downgrade. On the other hand, because of the variety of demons and the relatively short time you actually use them compared to DS, I fuse new demons a lot more frequently. This game feels like it has more "fusion forward momentum" than a game like DS where you would use the same demon for a very long time due to its skillset vs the current suite of enemies at a stage of the game and unlike in DS I have not really felt a need to go back and fuse/re-fuse lower level demons (yet).

Actually, it is possible to have the fusion search in SMT IV show fusions possible with demons in the compendium. You have to expand the additional options and check the box next to it.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

So what is the "easiest" build for this game ?

Spend everything in magic ?

 

[omlet]

Actually, it is possible to have the fusion search in SMT IV show fusions possible with demons in the compendium. You have to expand the additional options and check the box next to it.

Yep edited my post for clarity right before you replied

 

[artsi]

Ok so someone said not to invest in strength, but so far I've dumped everything into STR and DEX, am I fucked?

 

[ramyeon]

Ok so someone said not to invest in strength, but so far I've dumped everything into STR and DEX, am I fucked?

STR stat is pretty useless. If you want to invest in DEX to specialise in gun type physical attacks then you should put something like 2 in DEX, 1 in AGI and 2 in Luck every level.

 

[omlet]

Ok so someone said not to invest in strength, but so far I've dumped everything into STR and DEX, am I fucked?

No, but stop putting any more points in STR. If you're doing physical route, include AGI or you will miss a lot, so DEX and AGI (or you will miss) and probably some LUK (for critical hits). I don't know the best ratio (I'm doing magic build).

 

[artsi]

Ok thanks, just 2 hours in so far so I might restart to get a good start. I made some stupid mistakes anyway spending macca.

 

[ramyeon]

Ok thanks, just 2 hours in so far so I might restart to get a good start. I made some stupid mistakes anyway spending macca.

You don't really need to restart. You gain more than enough stat points from levelling up to make up for it.

 

[Niahak]

So what is the "easiest" build for this game ?

Spend everything in magic ?

Magic + AGI + a bit of luck made things super easy for me (I'd say 3/1/1, but 3/2/0 or 2/2/1 if your turn is a bit slow). You should go first and do tons of damage.

All DEX becomes easy later in the game, I hear, but I didn't have much trouble with a mostly-MAG build.

 

[gngf123]

Ahaha, good old SMT.

1 hour in, made a mistake and got myself my first death.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

I think I'll restart with a Dex build. I read it's better late game.

What point allocation would you guys recommend for physical builds? 2 Dex, 1 Agi, 2 Luck per level up?

 

[Deleted member 125677]

You want to bring as many demons into your party as you can even if just for fusion fodder. Once your reserves are full, fuse to get higher level demons.

Recruit, fuse, recruit, fuse, recruit, fuse MORE

so basically never kill demons unless you have to?

 

[ramyeon]

so basically never kill demons unless you have to?

You can only recruit one of each type to your party at any given time. When I get to a new area I recruit one of each new demon and fuse.

 

[Majmun]

Currently lvl 4 and enjoying the game very much. When it comes stats I always use 1 point for Str, 2 points for dex, 1 point for mag, 1 point for agi.

Will this bite me in the end? I don't know if I should upgrade luck.

And I can upgrade the app as well, but I'm currently saving points for something more worthwile to upgrade in the future.

 

[Dragon1893]

I already mentioned this but this cathedral is weird. I don't see a way to visualize a list of my current demons and just mess around with them like in every other SMT. I see the recommended fusions and then the search function and special fusions. Am I missing something here? I didn't have much time to mess around with it yet.

 

[Ivan el Trolazo]

I already mentioned this but this cathedral is weird. I don't see a way to visualize a list of my current demons and just mess around with them like in every other SMT. I see the recommended fusions and then the search function and special fusions. Am I missing something here? I didn't have much time to mess around with it yet.

its because low level demon only produce low level demon so you cant fuse them into more powerful ones, just put th name of the demon you want to fuse on the filter and select compendium and you will notice the low level ones will always try to fuse with the best ones, resulting in a middle level of the two, and of course no one wants that