nial
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Huh, didn't you like Stellar Blade?
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Shinobi602 on the "lack" of First Party reveals by PlayStation: "I think some still haven't really grasped just how long big games take to make now"
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Danjin44
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Stellar Blade is not first party.
The artful mincer
Member
It gets silly when the dev cycles are longer than console generations though.
The artful mincer
Member
It's amazing that FF Rebirth was shipped in 3 years.
Literally the biggest game I've ever played with the most unique content and 98% of it is good to amazing.
Literally the biggest game I've ever played with the most unique content and 98% of it is good to amazing.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Only if your building county fairs. When your building Disney World, the long development makes sense.
Snake29
Banned
Factions wasn’t the only game they were making. We know for several years that ND is working on some new IP. Factions was never a studio wide project.
nial
Member
Not you too, Danjin
But it is, it has XDEV JP involvement (which has people from previous Japan Studio departments), Sony producers and publishing. Not different from Bloodborne.
TropicanaTwista
Member
Look, FROM is one of if not the best at timely releases for games and keeping them at high quality, but ER DLC is taking 2 years lol. ER is also, while a new IP, pretty much just Dark Souls 4 when it comes to gameplay.
Think I've said this in another thread recently but I don't understand why Sony gets so much shit for this. This is an industry wide problem. Outside of FROM and insomniac, I can't really think of any dev who produces high quality AAA games in a timely manner.
GHound
Member
Completely different from Bloodborne actually. Sony owns the Bloodborne IP, where Shift Up owns Stellar Blade.Not you too, Danjin
But it is, it has XDEV JP involvement (which has people from previous Japan Studio departments), Sony producers and publishing. Not different from Bloodborne.
Hrk69
Member
I get why people are disappointed
But calling it unacceptable made me laugh out loud
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I think things would improve if these developers stopped with their 100+ hour, huge open world, $500 million dollar, Hollywood style games with obligatory perfect voice acting, writing, storylines, etc. We need more games in between. Smaller games with a reasonable budget and more linear games. These indie, AA developers can make money off of Unreal 5 games that still look good and most AAA games seemingly have to sell millions just to break even.
That’s a colossal problem that generally contributes to the long development time. Yeah, I know modern gamers want huge epic adventures that have hundreds of hours of content, but are these games worth it when it’s typically to the detriment to the game and the game companies when they have to literally destroy themselves to create these games?
That’s a colossal problem that generally contributes to the long development time. Yeah, I know modern gamers want huge epic adventures that have hundreds of hours of content, but are these games worth it when it’s typically to the detriment to the game and the game companies when they have to literally destroy themselves to create these games?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If their MO is not showing games until they're a year or so away from release then there's little chance ND's new IP is releasing before late 2025 either.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
imagine how many years Ninja Theory will take to make a 25 hours game.... 
Danjin44
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I would say the same about Bloodborne, FROM made that game great not Sony, same with Stellar Blade the credit goes to Shift Up more than Sony.Not you too, Danjin
But it is, it has XDEV JP involvement (which has people from previous Japan Studio departments), Sony producers and publishing. Not different from Bloodborne.
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Mr Moose
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Bloodborne IP is owned by Sony, it is a first party game. You're confusing first party games with studios.
Topher
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Not you too, Danjin
But it is, it has XDEV JP involvement (which has people from previous Japan Studio departments), Sony producers and publishing. Not different from Bloodborne.
There is a distinction between a first party game and games from a first party studio.
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Loomy
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It's fine in the sense that studios are making games in the time that games take to make. Like I said, if a 15-20 hour AAA game takes 4-6 years to make, that's how long it takes.
More beautiful takes more time. We're animating more of the character, which means it's taking longer to create the models, rig them, and animate them. We're building more complex scenes with more interactivity, that all takes time. Testing and QA takes more time. It gets to a point where you can't just throw more people at a problem.
Games published by Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony = First Party. Games published by anyone else = Third Party.
No idea. Naughty Dog has been a very cautious studio when it comes to how how hard they push their people since the Uncharted 4/TLoU2 development. Those two games almost decimated them. Druckmann was the director of those two games and has been public about how he felt he failed in that regard, and now he's the co-studio head, so I'm guessing he's not going to put his people in a situation where they're going to have to kill themselves working to meet an arbitrary deadline. My guess is we see that game when it's a year out.
That one was over 4 years. Development started before Remake came out. There was an interview with Nomura, Uematsu, and Toriyama that came out around the time of Rebirth's release, and Nomura is already talking about how he just wants it to end.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
More games with PSX(low poly), Pixel Art, retro or hand drawn graphics would be nice. The audience is there.
So many games they could be making in the span of 4 months to a year and they simply choose not to with the resources they have at their disposal.
Meanwhile Indie devs put them to shame with stellar releases. And even the ones with small dev teams that take just as long to make AAA games in between 5-8 years make unforgettable experiences like Signalis(primarily 2 people).
So many games they could be making in the span of 4 months to a year and they simply choose not to with the resources they have at their disposal.
Meanwhile Indie devs put them to shame with stellar releases. And even the ones with small dev teams that take just as long to make AAA games in between 5-8 years make unforgettable experiences like Signalis(primarily 2 people).
vaibhavpisal
Member
Soony you will get games. Just play xbox games in the meantime.
Happens. Xbox is able to deliver games like clockwork after buying half the industry.
Expecting same from poor soony is just unfair.
Happens. Xbox is able to deliver games like clockwork after buying half the industry.
Expecting same from poor soony is just unfair.
The artful mincer
Member
I don't think it's good just necessary
Logistically it must be an absolute pain the ass.
Do devs even know specs for Ps6 yet? Cross gen getting longer is inevitable because of this.
nial
Member
IP ownership literally has nothing to do with the first-party matter. Especially since SIE has always produced games of IPs they don't own, and they've always been considered first-party.
And you could argue that Bloodborne would have never existed without Sony. I agree that the developer should get most of the credit, but that is without negating its status as a first-party project.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that's why they make third and second party deals
Saber
Member
They want graphical showcases with no substance and not being fun at all, while costs them not only alot of time but a bunch of money(soecially the motion capture stuff). "But then people complain about visuals", bitch please art direction beats any kind of stupid photorealistic graphics.
Maybe they need to refocus their priorities. Until then, I stick with East games.
Maybe they need to refocus their priorities. Until then, I stick with East games.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It's unacceptable compared to previous generations (as in more than one gen) output.
Correct it's Sony owned and wasn't just From who made it.
Speaking of Bloodborne...
Where is my sequel? Where is the remake?
No Demon's Souls 2?
Disappointing
ManaByte
Gold Member
Why would Norse Kratos be in Egypt? Greek Kratos wasn't in the Norse game, they made him look like Triple H.
The artful mincer
Member
Well they had to ship the DLC first. In interviews they say shipped in 3 years.
Regardless 3 or 4 years it's still insane it was developed in that time frame.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
My original post is about me losing interest in Sony own games made by their own Studio, not Sony fund games.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Mum wake up Gaf is arguing over the semantics of a first party game again
Loomy
Banned
Oh absolutely, for a game of that scale 4 years is pretty crazy. Someone should check in on them lol
Danjin44
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Dark Souls is Demon’s Souls 2, the reason is not called Demons Souls 2 because Sony own the IP and FROM wanted release their game to other systems.
skit_data
Member
Can't see the problem yet really. We got some crossgen games but the PS5 versions so far have looked arguably better than many PS5 only games.
Edit: I find GT7 a prime example of this. Last gen I was playing GT6 on my PS3 still if you were to align the console releases xD
Edit: I find GT7 a prime example of this. Last gen I was playing GT6 on my PS3 still if you were to align the console releases xD
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nial
Member
Which is fine, but I think you weren't clear with that part and got me confused for a moment.
It's a war, I'm never stopping.
bitbydeath
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*Unless you’re Insomniac who are still pushing out games almost every year, even into the future.
Physiognomonics
Member
This. I would have being more interested by a smaller Ratchet and Clank game than by those bloated Spider-man games. Same thing with Sucker Punch unused IPs (Sly, Infamous), instead they are in pursuit of doing a big and bland Ubisoft-like open world IP that would potentially make them more money.
Also even God of War on PS4 was the right size and didn't cost a lot back then. Who decided to 5x the budget for Ragnarok, and where is the money? The game is worse.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sony can have another Demon's Souls made with or without FromSoftware if they choose is my point.
Dark Souls is the spiritual predecessor not sequel.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Well, I think you nailed it and I'll keep that reasoning for myself: AAA try to put two games together in a single entry in 5 years, instead of halving the content and release a new entry every three years.
They should reuse more and do less but more focused so most probably each individual part will be if much better quality.
Fbh
Member
In between Elden Ring and the DLC they also released a whole new game in the form of Armored Core 6. And the ER DLC is likely going to have a whole game worth of content in it.
Also it's not like Sony studios are revolutionizing gameplay either. GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman 2, Ratchet, Forbidden West, etc were all the very definition of more of the same. Many of them are based on pre established fromulas too, Spiderman is clearly heavily inspired by the Arkham Games in structure, combat and stealth, Forbidden West and Ghost of Tsushima are basically Ubisoft games with slightly better combat and writing, etc.
I think length is definitely a factor.
GOW3 was 10 hours long, Gow Ragnarok is 26 for the main story alone with another 15-20 worth of side content
Uncharted 2 was 10 hours long, TLOU 2 is 22 hours + another 5 or so of optional content (no multiplayer though, which Uncharted did have).
Infamous Second Son was 10 hours + 5 hours of side content, Ghost of Tsushima is 25 hours + 20 of side content.
Incidentally the only Sony studio that seems to release games at a fast and consistent pace is Insomniac and their games are on the shorter side. Ratchet was 10 hours, Miles Morales was 8-10 hours and even Spiderman 2 was on the shorter end of modern AAA games with a main story under 20 hours
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Danjin44
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But ”sequel” to Demons Souls is essentially would just Dark Souls. That game basically took Demons Souls and improved up on it……there is no point to it.
Bloodborne would be more understandable because mechanically is different enough from Demon’s/Dark Souls.
Draugoth
Gold Member
Shadow f Erdtree took 2 years because it's basically Elden Ring 1.5
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Saber
Member
All this because one say they don't like the games made by them, talk about being touchy.
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Loomy
Banned
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Many want a Demon's Souls 2 is the point to it.
Sony doesn't own the rights to the widely popular Dark Souls series but they do own Demon's Souls so money is to be made.
Demon's Souls has a feel of its own.
A Bloodborne 2 or Demon's Souls 2 made by From and Bluepoint would be special.
Ass of Can Whooping
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IDappa
Member
I have seen the term 2nd party thrown around here for years and doing a quick search online shows that it is a term used for games that are developed by 3rd party devs but funded by the publisher. Since when has this changed?. I mean isn’t it sort of in the name, 1st party implies owned ip/studio…