Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]

Ydahs said:
I doubt they actually docked points because of that though. The Ghirahim 'con' was clearly a joke, as you pointed out. A joke!

Ease up people!
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I only dislike the HD Zelda... hey... its coming soon. Game looks awesome. Motion Controls? Yeah I can absolutely get that complain so its valid.
 
jarosh said:
for the swiss people looking for the game: digitec still has plenty of regular versions in stock and they can either be shipped and will arrive on monday or be picked up at the zurich store tonight if you reserve now. i have no idea if any brick and mortars broke the street date though.
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Even the 99 CHF special pack?
 
Woffls said:
I think there's a problem with 5 points scales in that 4 is seen as one point from perfect, but really what it means is 80%. 10 point scale or nothing is my personal preference.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with a 5-point scale in particular, it's just that the Metacritic-ification of reviews has translated a 4/5 into 80%. When you start reducing reviews to numbers and percentages, the whole process becomes pretty arbitrary.

Of course, none of this is new. It gets rehashed every time anyone talks about reviews. Numbers can never tell the whole story.
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
I do think that these people who are giving these scores also want to give a signal to Nintendo. A signal they failed to deliver while rating Twilight Princess.

In the end, many interviews pointed out that Aonuma read comments, reviews and boards and since Twilight Princess was highly overrated, Skyward Sword was built up on the same mistakes.

In other words, what I'm trying to say is that Skyward Sword outcome is partly responsibility of the failures of reviewers to say the plain truth about Twilight Princess's faults, which in turn kept Nintendo make small changes in the franchise. It was obvious that sooner or later some "bad" result would have emerged.

So, I'm of course pissed off that Skyward Sword has some serious weaknesses, but this will force Nintendo to act and make big changes.
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I've been asleep.
Is this the new running joke in the thread or is this serious talk?
 
AceBandage said:
I've been asleep.
Is this the new running joke in the thread or is this serious talk?
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I'm just reading reviews. I elaborate what I read. And I point out conclusions. What is that you don't understand?
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
Even the 99 CHF special pack?
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As far as I'm aware most stores haven't received the special pack, only the game with the soundtrack. I was told that the special pack would go on sale next friday.
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
I do think that these people who are giving these scores also want to give a signal to Nintendo. A signal they failed to deliver while rating Twilight Princess.

In the end, many interviews pointed out that Aonuma read comments, reviews and boards and since Twilight Princess was highly overrated, Skyward Sword was built up on the same mistakes.

In other words, what I'm trying to say is that Skyward Sword outcome is partly responsibility of the failures of reviewers to say the plain truth about Twilight Princess's faults, which in turn kept Nintendo make small changes in the franchise. It was obvious that sooner or later some "bad" result would have emerged.

So, I'm of course pissed off that Skyward Sword has some serious weaknesses, but this will force Nintendo to act and make big changes.
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Seems a bit wishful thinking, but I'm with you.
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
I do think that these people who are giving these scores also want to give a signal to Nintendo. A signal they failed to deliver while rating Twilight Princess.

In the end, many interviews pointed out that Aonuma read comments, reviews and boards and since Twilight Princess was highly overrated, Skyward Sword was built up on the same mistakes.

In other words, what I'm trying to say is that Skyward Sword outcome is partly responsibility of the failures of reviewers to say the plain truth about Twilight Princess's faults, which in turn kept Nintendo make small changes in the franchise. It was obvious that sooner or later some "bad" result would have emerged.

So, I'm of course pissed off that Skyward Sword has some serious weaknesses, but this will force Nintendo to act and make big changes.
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This just doesn't make sense to me at all.
What mistakes?
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
I'm just reading reviews. I elaborate what I read. And I point out conclusions. What is that you don't understand?
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Nintendo caring about reviews from the majority of sites?

They'll read some of the sites, maybe. But it won't effect their decision process. Especially if the game sells multi million (which, let's face it... it's fucking Zelda.)
 
jts said:
LMAO, this shit's hilarious.

It reads like this:

"This game is great, beautiful, and really freshens things up in the series. But if it isn't a stale turd relying solely on its brand name, then it shouldn't come out at all!! DAMN YOU NINTENDO! DAMN YOU NINTENDO TO HEEEEELLLLLLLL"

Games journalism.
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This post reads like what I'd imagine shit tastes like.
 
FatCat said:
As far as I'm aware most stores haven't received the special pack, only the game with the soundtrack. I was told that the special pack would go on sale next friday.
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It was out of stock on WOG unfortunately. I ordered it on coin-op, but it's going to arrive just in few days.
 
Hey guys, just peeking my head in for a sec. Did Gamespot or Gametrailers review the game yet? Can't check from where I am right now.
 
giant bomb review reads like patrick wanted it to incorporate more elements of the elder scrolls. at least for me, the elements mentioned are completely superfluous and unnecessary for zelda--i honestly do not give a whiff if there is a quest log. and, i have to say, that last paragraph does seem to imply if this did not bear the weight of being called a zelda and carry the expectations of that name, that it would shift the perception of its quality. this is an understandable albatross, but nonetheless worth realizing.
 
AceBandage said:
Nintendo caring about reviews from the majority of sites?

They'll read some of the sites, maybe. But it won't effect their decision process. Especially if the game sells multi million (which, let's face it... it's fucking Zelda.)
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Oh, it will believe me. Twilight Princess having midi was pointed out strongly and SS was thus orchestrated. Twilight Princess's gameplay being cheap was pointed out and thus everything was built up around wii motions plus. Twilight Princess not having side quest was clearly stated and thus Skyward Sword was filled with many things to do (though it seems many things are put just to make the game consistent...). Twilight Princess puzzles being too easy were pointed out and in Skyward Sword reviews are pointing out this is one of the strong point of the game. Twilight Princess being too easy was also told to the death and result is that SS has a hero mode.

Do you think all of that is casual?
 
beelzebozo said:
giant bomb review reads like patrick wanted it to incorporate more elements of the elder scrolls. at least for me, the elements mentioned are completely superfluous and unnecessary for zelda--i honestly do not give a whiff if there is a quest log. and, i have to say, that last paragraph does seem to imply if this did not bear the weight of being called a zelda and carry the expectations of that name, that it would shift the perception of its quality. this is an understandable albatross, but nonetheless worth realizing.
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What GiantBomb Can Learn From IGN?

Cygnus X-1 said:
Oh, it will believe me. Twilight Princess having midi was pointed out strongly and SS was thus orchestrated. Twilight Princess's gameplay being cheap was pointed out and thus everything was built up around wii motions plus. Twilight Princess not having side quest was clearly stated and thus Skyward Sword was filled with many things to do (though it seems many things are put just to make the game consistent...). Twilight Princess puzzles being too easy were pointed out and in Skyward Sword reviews are pointing out this is one of the strong point of the game. Twilight Princess being too easy was also told to the death and result is that SS has a hero mode.

Do you think all of that is casual?
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That wasn't because of reviews though.
That all was from fan and other developer feedback.
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
Oh, it will believe me. Twilight Princess having midi was pointed out strongly and SS was thus orchestrated. Twilight Princess's gameplay being cheap was pointed out and thus everything was built up around wii motions plus. Twilight Princess not having side quest was clearly stated and thus Skyward Sword was filled with many things to do (though it seems many things are put just to make the game consistent...). Twilight Princess puzzles being too easy were pointed out and in Skyward Sword reviews are pointing out this is one of the strong point of the game. Twilight Princess being too easy was also told to the death and result is that SS has a hero mode.

Do you think all of that is casual?
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Don't forget about the disappointment of TP's barren overworld. It seems that the heavy changes seen to the overworld in this game may have been as a result of fan outcry.
 
wrowa said:
The problem are people who are of the opinion to need to convert scores. 4 out of 5 is 4 out of 5. It is not 80% or 8 out of 10. Even when metacritic wants to make you believe so.

A 5 point system is fundamentally different than a 10 point system, whoever uses maths in order to interpret a review score understands it completely wrong.
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What I take issue with is a 5 point scale putting Skyward Sword on level pegging with a bunch of other games that aren't anywhere near as good. Of course it's irrelevant when you read the review, but for as long as reviews have numbers at the end, people will compare them quantitatively.

[edit] I've just realised I really don't want to have this discussion xD Don't often get involved in review score business, but it's Zelda and I can't help it. Think I'll go put the kettle on.

[edit2] And since when has Klepek reviewed games anyway? Thought he was focussing on being a newsy news person.
 
C&VG's 9.8 review just got me hyped, its a little weird the conflicting reports of the motion controls, some reviews say there godly and others clunky?

who cares in 6 days this game will be mine, and i won't be seen for a few days :D
 
Really glad there are some 8 reviews, I like some criticism being raised so I don't have crazy expectations on the day. After reading all those 10 reviews for Arkham City, I was incredibly disappointed with the game.

Besides, I secretly still want TP to be my favourite Zelda, so it's all OK! ;)
 
beelzebozo said:
giant bomb review reads like patrick wanted it to incorporate more elements of the elder scrolls. at least for me, the elements mentioned are completely superfluous and unnecessary for zelda--i honestly do not give a whiff if there is a quest log. and, i have to say, that last paragraph does seem to imply if this did not bear the weight of being called a zelda and carry the expectations of that name, that it would shift the perception of its quality. this is an understandable albatross, but nonetheless worth realizing.
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This is one thing I don't like. Some reviewers are clearly comparing it to Skyrim, but Zelda is not skyrim. It is a different kind of game. It isnt a WRPG in first person, it is a third person action adventure with puzzle elements. It also has much more charming (theres that word again) art style and character designs that appeal to a different audience. There are game elements that make an Elder Scrolls game what it is and elements that make Zelda what it is. This is no fault of either developer, they are just catering to the strengths of their particular franchises and appealing to both fanbases. Skyrim wont have the elaborate puzzles, the crazy dungeon designs, the quirky NPCs, the melodic music. It goes in other directions and thats fine for the people who like it. But as I said before, personally I don't give a flying fuck about skyrim or any Elder Scrolls game. Apples to oranges here.
 
It seems to be an interesting reception. I skimmed through some of the "lower" reviews, and it seems more like they just place Zelda to some unusual expectations beyond normal games, which is logical since fairly few games manage to successfullly do a Zelda clone (Okami).

Nothing to rage over, I'm sure the game will be awesome. Motion controls will never be as accurate as a traditional controller, but they do make it fun in a different way, so its a fair trade off.
 
Sinthetic said:
Really glad there are some 8 reviews, I like some criticism being raised so I don't have crazy expectations on the day. After reading all those 10 reviews for Arkham City, I was incredibly disappointed with the game.

Besides, I secretly still want TP to be my favourite Zelda, so it's all OK! ;)
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It's not secret anymore, now we all know! But the time has now come for TP to take it's position on top of the Zelda pedestal while Skyward Sword shivers in its shadow as per the traditional Zelda Cyc-*stabbed*

Actually I share your Arkham City sentiments and i'm pretty intrigued by the varied (if a gap as small as 8-10 can be counted as varied) scores for this one, now i've got plenty of reviews to dig through.
 
Ydahs said:
Don't forget about the disappointment of TP's barren overworld. It seems that the heavy changes seen to the overworld in this game may have been as a result of fan outcry.
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The point is that Aonuma is acting on a wrong basis: he's trying to reproduce Ocarina of Time greatness while adding and removing things from the old formula. He pretends to modify something already existing to make it even better. This is almost impossible and mostly ruins instead of adjusting. This is just common sense!

Better would be to start from scratch again. Aonuma should ask himself what a Zelda game is, what was till not what could be in the future. "Is there to make a Zelda game from a different point of view?"

Since I judge people based on facts, I can say that after all these years he fails to understand this point. I'm less willingly to say that it's Miyamoto's fault, because Galaxy 1 and 2 were a revolution and at the same time under the supervision of Miyamoto. Thus I suppose he's willingly to make big changes among franchises.

Aonuma just wants to surpass Ocarina of Time. He's so obsessed with that he can't see out of the limits he put around him. I pity him somehow, because it's going to be frustrating, but I really do think a fresh breath of air now is necessary.

I'm off now. I'm back in some hours.
 
Nocturnowl said:
It's not secret anymore, now we all know! But the time has now come for TP to take it's position on top of the Zelda pedestal while Skyward Sword shivers in its shadow as per the traditional Zelda Cyc-*stabbed*

Actually I share your Arkham City sentiments and i'm pretty intrigued by the varied (if a gap as small as 8-10 can be counted as varied) scores for this one, now i've got plenty of reviews to dig through.
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Hahahaha! Your Owl avatar is fitting, oh wise one!
 
FatCat said:
As far as I'm aware most stores haven't received the special pack, only the game with the soundtrack. I was told that the special pack would go on sale next friday.
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the "special pack"/limited edition with remote and soundtrack is definitely out there and is being sold already. hell, i have one reserved and will be picking it up in two hours or so.
 
Segnit said:
So no source.

Why do I have to be a dick? Cause I don't think you were reasonable with your last couple of posts.
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Ok....

So then, do you have a source for them taking reviews in consideration for their design process?
 
jarosh said:
the "special pack"/limited edition with remote and soundtrack is definitely out there and is being sold already. hell, i have one reserved and will be picking it up in two hours or so.
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yup, everything is shipped out right now. if they don't have it's sold out.
 
cajunator said:
This is one thing I don't like. Some reviewers are clearly comparing it to Skyrim, but Zelda is not skyrim. It is a different kind of game. It isnt a WRPG in first person, it is a third person action adventure with puzzle elements. It also has much more charming (theres that word again) art style and character designs that appeal to a different audience. There are game elements that make an Elder Scrolls game what it is and elements that make Zelda what it is. This is no fault of either developer, they are just catering to the strengths of their particular franchises and appealing to both fanbases. Skyrim wont have the elaborate puzzles, the crazy dungeon designs, the quirky NPCs, the melodic music. It goes in other directions and thats fine for the people who like it. But as I said before, personally I don't give a flying fuck about skyrim or any Elder Scrolls game. Apples to oranges here.
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The question is how much different skyrim is from oblivion structurely wise...
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
The point is that Aonuma is acting on a wrong basis: he's trying to reproduce Ocarina of Time greatness while adding and removing things from the old formula. He pretends to modify something already existing to make it even better. This is almost impossible and mostly ruins instead of adjusting. This is just common sense!

Better would be to start from scratch again. Aonuma should ask himself what a Zelda game is, what was till not what could be in the future. "Is there to make a Zelda game from a different point of view?"

Since I judge people based on facts, I can say that after all these years he fails to understand this point. I'm less willingly to say that it's Miyamoto's fault, because Galaxy 1 and 2 were a revolution and at the same time under the supervision of Miyamoto. Thus I suppose he's willingly to make big changes among franchises.

Aonuma just wants to surpass Ocarina of Time. He's so obsessed with that he can't see out of the limits he put around him. I pity him somehow, because it's going to be frustrating, but I really do think a fresh breath of air now is necessary.

I'm off now. I'm back in some hours.
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You haven't mentioned what these changes you are expecting actually are. As I said before, there are only so many things you can change in a Zelda game before it stops being ZELDA.
 
BlazingDarkness said:
Aw, I missed all the rage ;(

Seriously though, these scores are great, as long as it's better than those shitfests known as PH and ST, it'll be a great game
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Not really. It was pretty subdued in here.
 
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