TheGreatMightyPoo
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vodka-bull said:
Where does Four Swords fall chronologically or does it not fit in the cannon that Mario just shot out of to reach Malo????
Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]
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Where does Four Swords fall chronologically or does it not fit in the cannon that Mario just shot out of to reach Malo????
Refreshment.01 said:
i think the general feeling about the score is surprise since it is a high score, and that there seems to be a disconnect between the score and the review, that the score should be lower.
i would check it out, but i'm done spoiling the game for myself, and the review apparently has spoilers.
Refreshment.01 said:
No they are not. The game has obviously gathered a lot praise for its visuals which is already proof enough, that it in fact does overcome any technical limitations the devs have encountered (like any good dev team really). And like you yourself said, it's nintendo as hardware developer You should be mad about, not this dev team who cannot develop this game on other platforms.
personally i'm just sad to see someone dissing a game that clearly steers on its own unique and new ways where videogame graphics go.
Low resolution is unfortunate for SS, but You can only criticise it for it, if you take points away automatically from every game on wii for it. not to mention all sub-HD games on other platforms.
It's going to be pretty cool to see what Nintendo's developers do with the tools they have now. Think they could also improve their stylized designs to with the added power. I think the atmosphere level design will get more detailed and amazing while the characters like Mario and Kirby stay relatively the same. For Legend of Zelda and Metroid, I can only imagine.
AniHawk said:
Exactly, it seems like they are trying negate any negative press by giving it a high score when the content of the review is towards the negative side.
People are going out of there way not to bitch about the review, its the fact the review and score dont match up.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I thought Feep's critique of the game was much better and he gave the game a 0/100.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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ajim said:Something wrong with me guys, this is the first Zelda in a long time that I'm not excited about
You can quit the series entirely if you don't like the game after you play it.
vodka-bull
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Probably a neurological problem, go see a doc.ajim said:Something wrong with me guys, this is the first Zelda in a long time that I'm not excited about
Cygnus X-1
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Anyway, I really hope the criticism will reach Aonuma- and Miyamoto's ears. This series needs a change comparable to the step between Mario Sunshine and Mario Galaxy.
I reserve any final judgement once I play it, but I have the impression that Skyward Sword is a bit what Sunshine was back. And it was that feeling of overused and slightly broken that made Galaxy appear. Let's hope something similar will happen now with the next Zelda. HD is further a good opportunity to make it even visually groundbreaking.
I reserve any final judgement once I play it, but I have the impression that Skyward Sword is a bit what Sunshine was back. And it was that feeling of overused and slightly broken that made Galaxy appear. Let's hope something similar will happen now with the next Zelda. HD is further a good opportunity to make it even visually groundbreaking.
Change is good and all, really. I'd love Zelda to branch out and do something wild like Majora's Mask again. That game is such an outlier to the series and it's a wonder it even exists when you think about it.
...but I can't be the only one that wouldn't be saddened at all if the next Zelda game is a "Zelda game" through and through. Exploring a HD Zelda world with next-gen graphics would freshen up the experience enough for me.
...but I can't be the only one that wouldn't be saddened at all if the next Zelda game is a "Zelda game" through and through. Exploring a HD Zelda world with next-gen graphics would freshen up the experience enough for me.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Mistle said:
BUT WHA ARTSTILE????????
CARTUUNY OR RLISTIC????
Me personally, I'll take any but I'd prefer something Twilight Princess but on crack.
Refreshment.01
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Except is not the case. I suggest you check the review out withouth looking at the screen, just listen to the audio. It's a very well done review for people outside the unreasonable fanatism.AniHawk said:
It's not being critsized for being in HD since obviously you can have an SD definition game that looks amazing. It's behind the curve in comparison to other AAA games in many visual aspects like for example, polygon counts for NPC's and environments, animation, shader effects, lighting, advanced filtering etc.zoukka said:
And it has nothing to do with the realism vs artstyle argument like some people are trying to intentionally and maliciously deviate the disscussion. I remember being amazed by how Blue Dragon looked at the begining of this generation.
ajim
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Seen a bunch, read a bunch of reviews and been following all of the threads, but something just isn't clicking for me like it has in the past! Same thing happened with me and Mario Galaxy 2, it just didn't click, and I still haven't bothered beating the 2nd world.GamerSoul said:
I have little doubt that I'll love this game, but there's just no excitement at all. Feels a little sad
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Mario Galaxy 1&2 is the most fun I have ever had playing a videogame.
I hope I get this same feeling playing through Skyward Sword but I doubt I will. It might be turn out to be a better game though.
I hope I get this same feeling playing through Skyward Sword but I doubt I will. It might be turn out to be a better game though.
Cygnus X-1 said:
I've been playing the game (11 hours in); it's a huge departure from previous game and a near perfect direction for the series. Coming from Twilight Princess to Skyward Sword, I just never want to go back. The controls are part of that, and then just the fact that there's always something crazy to find and a puzzle to solve. You won't have any ginormous muddy desolate fields of nothing to do, and while the places are quite big there just always seems to be something at every turn.
No idea what was up with that critic on GT. I mean after listening to their podcast regularly; if Shane was the one who did this review don't even bother acknowledging it; that guy is a total jackass. He constantly brings up the most pointless arguments and makes tons of errors all the time (more so than anyone else I listen to). But Skyward Sword not having as much of variety as other Zelda games is downright false and there are more side quests in this game than ever before; I can't believe they said that in the review.
Same here. They're on the right track with the thing they showed at E3 but obviously it'll need refining.TheGreatMightyPoo said:
Yeah who knows. The Wii U as a concept is still confusing to me, I really don't know what Nintendo have in mind to pull it off. Personally I would hate to see the loss of 1:1 motion control. Even after just playing the demo, it's by far and beyond the greatest control scheme to date. It's not even up for debate in my eyes. They have to stick with it.GamerSoul said:
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GamerSoul said:
That's a good question.
It wouldn't be relevant if this was Twilight Princess all over again but they finally nailed motion controls for a series that it really is great for according to most and what are they going to do now??? Ditch it???
I guess if any company would do an odd move like that, it'd be them but I doubt we have seen the last of it in Zelda.
Perhaps both can be used but Nintendo don't make Steel Battalions so I don't know how much that would complicate things.
A good problem to have I guess but a "problem".
Refreshment.01 said:
except that is the case. here's a quick compilation of posts i found with the word 'score' in them.
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Regulus Tera said:
so you offering the concession of 'hey man, it was a high score!' doesn't actually apply, since people are bitching about the content of the review anyway. sorry to hone in on just that one thing, but that's all i was talking about.
i don't have an opinion on the review itself. i'm not going to ruin it with less than a week to go. i will check it out after i've finished the game though.
XPE said:
I'd rather reviews focus on negative parts about a game when they exist than just going on about the positive stuff everyone already can see or know about.
Cygnus X-1 said:
Pretty sure that "no hd" isn't the only reason the game got 9.1 and not 10. It was more of a quick statement than a factor to the final score.
Guys, it's only 0.9 off a "perfect score", and I don't see why people care so much. Sure the review came of as surprisingly negative, but it doesn't really mean that the negatives are that bad. More like minor nuisance to an otherwise very good game.
Mistle said:
I agree. it's good to hear the game is y'know, fun.
ajim said:Seen a bunch, read a bunch of reviews and been following all of the threads, but something just isn't clicking for me like it has in the past! Same thing happened with me and Mario Galaxy 2, it just didn't click, and I still haven't bothered beating the 2nd world.
I have little doubt that I'll love this game, but there's just no excitement at all. Feels a little sad
You're probably at the point where you have to play it for yourself. Hang in thar.
I only listened to the audio, but apparently the video is filled with spoilers so I'd stay clear of it. And if you just listen to the audio, apparently the final boss theme is used (thankfully I didn't notice/can't remember it) and also if I recall he mentions a dungeon mechanic but that's about it.Sn4ke_911 said:
highspeeddub
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Criticising a game because of its platform is a bit pointless.
"Oh yeah, Citizen Kane was a great movie when it came out. If it came out today I'd have to give it a 2/5 due to its being black and white. Today we have IMAX!"
"Oh yeah, Citizen Kane was a great movie when it came out. If it came out today I'd have to give it a 2/5 due to its being black and white. Today we have IMAX!"
Well it's good to see some reviewers are taking all the time they need with the game (not saying all reviews out at 12am didn't, but it's obvious some of them were occupied thinking about other things
)
Is Stephen the guy who did that amusing E3 video where he rushed around?
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Is Stephen the guy who did that amusing E3 video where he rushed around?
Maffis said:
Really, So you want review to only focus on the negative parts?
Also what other people have said doesnt really matter when reviewing a game, you take it as no one else has seen or played it, give your opinion of the game both good and bad and the give the appropriate score.
Now if the over all tone of the review comes across as negative I would expect it to have a less than stellar score.
I'm not complaining about the contents or the score, as I have yet to play the game but if I was to go by the contents of the review only, I wouldnt be expecting much.
Maffis said:
What are the negative parts of Skyward Sword? Seriously? I want to know. Because I have yet to find any moment of the game where I haven't completely enjoyed myself. I was all over Twilight Princess because it didn't evolve the series in any major way and had some completely boring segments (like forcing you to collect bugs in the Twilight) and I tore it apart while playing it. Great game, but it had issues and I could see them at the time. This game you collect things; but its not just stupidly wandering around areas doing nothing, there are major puzzles you need to solve to collect the things you need, that's why it hasn't bored me like Twilight Princess. In fact, I hadn't even thought of the dousing segments in the same light as the boring bug fetch quests in Twilight Princess till now, it's completely different. That's another thing from the GT review that is completing illegitimate; the part about dousing. You don't even need to douse in this game; it just helps speed up the process of finding out where you need to be.
When you guys get your hands on this game you're going to look back on all this negative talk and just giggle... well, most of you I'm sure. It's a really good game; I'm super happy that Nintendo has finally decided to allow the series to just go crazy. And the level of polish is unheard of in this series. Instantly one of my favorite Zelda games; if not THE best; but I'm not quite done! Thank god, hope it never ends!
TheGreatMightyPoo
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AniHawk said:
True, games aren't art at all as Rayman Origins shows.
Well said.
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Citizen Kane opening sequence is amazing. I was at one my friends classes when he was describing the opening scene to his pupils, that's the only scene of the movie I have scene though. But, sooo good!AniHawk said:
However, I don't agree with the rest of your points. We have 8-bit graphic games that are widely praised now as well, Cave Story, so why can't Zelda SS be? In case of Cave Story, they are even praised for the graphics, SS should be as well.
Also, what do you mean by labeling a game as being based on design while a movie as art? You think Zelda does not include art or that Citizen Kane is absolutely art?
Though, since it's you, I can't really tell what you mean by that! Or actually what side you are on...
highspeeddub
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So videogames aren't art? Well that's debatableAniHawk said:
. But I don't see how a game being a work of design makes any difference. The developers didn't choose the hardware, they were trying to make the best of the hardware that they had to work with. By all counts it seems they were successful in that.It's the same as criticising someone for composing a piece of music that is to be played solo and saying "it would have sounded better if it had had a full orchestra."
The Wii hardware is a constraint that the developers had to work with, they couldn't change it. The idea is to look at how well they hid the weaknesses of the hardware and still create a beautiful game with smooth and responsive visuals.
AniHawk said:
That's right, but that's because of the different culture in the video game and film industries.
AniHawk said:
I doubt ZSS is the best game ever... Citizen Kane is just a touchstone that most people know of.
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Refreshment.01 said:
Have you looked at Blue Dragon recently? I'd say that SS looks better in many aspects, not limited to the design. For example:
SS does a great job with shaders,, lightning, huge draw distance, solid framrate, good modelling, fluid animation etc etc. Sure blue dragon might have more polygons and alot of 'shiny' objects, but how is that impressing?
walking fiend
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Citizen Kane is a movieAniHawk said:
ThoseDeafMutes
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AniHawk said:
I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you just saying "videogames aren't art" or is there something more nuanced here?
The implication that "works of art" and "works of design" are mutually exclusive things is quite head-scratching (particularly given the example of a motion picture).
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I think that Majora's Mask is one of the best and most efficacious arguments in favour of games being what I define as art.AniHawk said:
Also, GAF, stop being interesting while I'm trying not
very hard
*runs*
GamerSoul said:
kinda, yeah. art is sorta this catch-all for something big and important that demands respect. so people who are enthusiasts of video games, critics of video games, and (unfortunately, sometimes) creators of video games chase this idea. the closest thing video games appear to resemble is film, but the process is different. films are usually about telling a story or some sort of expression of an idea, while games are about solving problems.
i think that calling a video game art demeans the work of the designers, as if their design work isn't important. it doesn't help that people who don't like or appreciate video games disagree with game enthusiasts on the subject while also holding art up in the same sense. the demand for respect from those people is what riles people up.