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Smash Wii U & 3DS Downloadable Characters Discussion and Information on Smash Ballot

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Zubz

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she's getting a trophy that's for sure

Hm... I'd like that. Or maybe as an Assist or something? Plus, isn't she one of the more popular 3rd Parties in the Ballot? And seeing how Snake, Goku, Banjo, and Sora are all doing well but are simultaneously impossible, there's a small chance she's the most viable 3rd Party Candidate... Although I doubt anything, it'd be nice to see Shantae in Smash somehow. Hey, maybe if she gets in, Shovel Knight can be her accompanying Assist Trophy? Or vice versa?

Who here thinks we could be getting Sector Z as a DLC stage? Would make an awesome 8 player map to boot:

Sector_z.JPG

Hm... I'd really like that! Plus, it'd kill the "No N64 Stage," "Not enough 8-Player maps," and "No Great Fox" stage problems with one stone!

Pachinko Stage DLC?

I'm not gonna lie, I wanted a "Out of this Dimension" stage in Brawl, where you rode on the Slot Machine boss as the main platform. Granted, I want less hazards these days, and that stage'd be nothing but hazards.

Oh well. There's always a different Casino-themed stage I've wanted since Brawl...

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I mean, like, they could just keep picking Green Hill Zone look-alikes and not remix any new Sonic music, too. That's always an option...
 

Terrell

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Hey guys! After going through and double-checking all of the results, I've determined that the following NeoGAF users do not exist, and therefore their census entries will be invalidated. If I've made a mistake with any of the following and anyone here knows of these users (or you're one of them), please let me know so their/your entries don't get falsely invalidated:

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Special thanks to those few lurkers/non-account holders who actually identified themselves as such, making it very easy for me to weed you out! <3

I really want to see the results, if only because I haven't voted yet on Smash Ballot. I think most of my choices are already in the game, so I have a lot of indecision about who to ask for next. If I had a general idea about which characters to be hopeful for, it would help a lot.
 

Zubz

Banned

I forgot how cool that game looked, despite how awful the artstyle was (Seriously, I got a B^Uckley vibe from it)...

I really want to see the results, if only because I haven't voted yet on Smash Ballot. I think most of my choices are already in the game, so I have a lot of indecision about who to ask for next. If I had a general idea about which characters to be hopeful for, it would help a lot.

The census is about GAFfers & Lurkers' mains, actually, not their desired Ballot characters. It was just posted here with a mod's approval, but it has its own thread which you can find right here!
 
Pokemon Stadium 2 is Stadium 2 in name only. If it had Johto Pokemon in the background and took place on an actual stadium that actually appeared in the game, then it would work.

That leads to another good point. Even though 2/3's of the playable Pokemon debuted in Red/Blue, we haven't had a genuine Kanto stage since 64's Saffron City.
Bring that back, or do another one. Viridian Forest, SS Anne, Lavender Town, Mt. Moon. Any of those would make serviceable stages.

Game Boy representation in general is pretty bad. Dream Land was a good start, but it's still one of the least represented consoles for stages.Surely a Wario Land stage or something derived from Metroid II, Link's Awakening or even that Japan-only frog game would make good stages, no?
 

Zubz

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That leads to another good point. Even though 2/3's of the playable Pokemon debuted in Red/Blue, we haven't had a genuine Kanto stage since 64's Saffron City.
Bring that back, or do another one. Viridian Forest, SS Anne, Lavender Town, Mt. Moon. Any of those would make serviceable stages.

Game Boy representation in general is pretty bad. Dream Land was a good start, but it's still one of the least represented consoles for stages.Surely a Wario Land stage or something derived from Metroid II, Link's Awakening or even that Japan-only frog game would make good stages, no?

Man, a Rice Beach or a Tal Tal Heights stage'd be fantastic! So would Mt. Moon, but I just want Saffron City back, and I'll feel that Gen I would have enough representation.
 

Azure J

Member
The census is about GAFfers & Lurkers' mains, actually, not their desired Ballot characters. It was just posted here with a mod's approval, but it has its own thread which you can find right here!

I wonder how hard it would be to set up a Google Doc poll that would ask GAF voters who they voted for as well as their next 2 to 4 "runners up" or extra votes if they've done as much.

MaverickHunterAsh and OricWindstar have a good understanding of how to manipulate data and set up polls, I'd nominate either of them for management roles.
 
Cerulean Cave could be cool. It wouldn't need hazards or anything, just a big rock overlooking Mewtwo's area. Maybe Zubat flying around sometimes carrying items.

Mewtwo would be sleeping there unless he was in the fight. It would look really cool.
 
I'd like at least one Pokémon stage based on the natural environments of the world. I know the more notable ones are the buildings and structures but the other areas are beautiful too.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Well at least in 4 the new Pokemon stages are based on existing areas rather than the generic "stadium".
 
Well nothing will ever top ripped N64 models floating over a low res pink cloud, so I can see why Pokemon stages are a little lacking.

Seriously how does Pokefloats relate to Pokemon at all lol? Has to be one of the laziest stages Smash has had.

Based on some unused data, it seems they were going to make Sprout Tower and then ran out of time and then Pokefloats was born.
 
I really want to see the results, if only because I haven't voted yet on Smash Ballot. I think most of my choices are already in the game, so I have a lot of indecision about who to ask for next. If I had a general idea about which characters to be hopeful for, it would help a lot.

Zubz beat me to the punch, but yeah, the census is actually determining who the most and least played characters are among SmashGAF and its lurkers. That said...

I wonder how hard it would be to set up a Google Doc poll that would ask GAF voters who they voted for as well as their next 2 to 4 "runners up" or extra votes if they've done as much.

MaverickHunterAsh and OricWindstar have a good understanding of how to manipulate data and set up polls, I'd nominate either of them for management roles.

... I would be down to do exactly this after I'm done posting all the census results!
 
In terms of Stage DLC, I'd sure like to see (besides the Pokemon examples I already brought up)

F-Zero: Silence. So we can finally get some remixed F-Zero music that's not Mute freakin' City.

Fire Emblem: Akaneia. The long-lost Melee stage. And since Marth has been in more Smash games than any other FE character, it would make sense to do a stage based on a game he was actually in.

Game and Watch: Flat Zone Cement Factory. Technically, Smash 4 didn't get a new G&W stage at all. This would be something different, sort of like a smaller 75m with less annoying hazards

marios-cement-factory.png
 

Richie

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Well nothing will ever top ripped N64 models floating over a low res pink cloud, so I can see why Pokemon stages are a little lacking.

Seriously how does Pokefloats relate to Pokemon at all lol? Has to be one of the laziest stages Smash has had.

Based on some unused data, it seems they were going to make Sprout Tower and then ran out of time and then Pokefloats was born.

It's one of the series' most inventive stages in my eyes. Gimme that back, and gimme Brinstar Depths back too while we're at it. There was something so freaking awesome about fighting in what's seemingly the only chunk of land left in a post-apocalyptic world, which a ginormous beast messes with at whim.
 
I think Melee's unused "Akaneia" stage just became Castle Siege. That would explain why it was one of the earliest revealed stages for Brawl.
 

Zubz

Banned
Well nothing will ever top ripped N64 models floating over a low res pink cloud, so I can see why Pokemon stages are a little lacking.

Seriously how does Pokefloats relate to Pokemon at all lol? Has to be one of the laziest stages Smash has had.

Based on some unused data, it seems they were going to make Sprout Tower and then ran out of time and then Pokefloats was born.

Wait, really? Because Poke Floats was fantastic, but the Johto Fanboy in me would've loved Sprout Tower, too.

I like this sentiment of a natural Pokémon stage, though; I never realized it, but the closest we have is Spear Pillar, which is still a manmade shrine on a mountaintop. I know it's minor in the grand scheme, but I always thought a Meteor Falls stage would be cool.

And Ash, I'd love to see a Ballot poll! But there's no need to rush into; the Census had to have been an undertaking.
 
I think Melee's unused "Akaneia" stage just became Castle Siege. That would explain why it was one of the earliest revealed stages for Brawl.

That kind of falls in the same category as the Pokemon "Stadium" stages and Poke Floats; it doesn't really represent any game.

Something with at least the decor of Shadow Dragon or its 16-bit remakes would be nice to have.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AT8hT__tQ4

So people actually believe that Shantae is going to be DLC based on some random tweet. This is worse than pre-release speculation.

Why is it "worse?" Pre-release speculation is fun and exciting, but besides that, just let people believe what they want. There's no reason to complain about it or cast people's thoughts in a negative light. What fans believe isn't going to affect Shantae's chances one way or the other, so why should it matter to you?
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
  1. It's an Etika video. He's one of the worst youtubers out there and overreaction is his thing.
  2. How is it any different from the myriads of people who were convinced Geno was gonna be in Brawl despite no evidence that could suggest so? Or Ridley fans being in denial for months after the Greninja Direct. People always latch to whatever they can when repping their character of choice. The Smash cycle never ends.
  3. You wouldn't be acting like this if the character being discussed were K. Rool.
 

Zubz

Banned
That kind of falls in the same category as the Pokemon "Stadium" stages and Poke Floats; it doesn't really represent any game.

Something with at least the decor of Shadow Dragon or its 16-bit remakes would be nice to have.

That reminds me, I kind of wanted to see a Game Boy-themed Pokemon stage, too. Like, have it be pixelated and look like it came straight out of one of the first 2 Gens. Maybe that can keep Cerulean Cave from seeming like a generic cavern, but with Mewtwo in the background?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AT8hT__tQ4

So people actually believe that Shantae is going to be DLC based on some random tweet. This is worse than pre-release speculation.

I mean, Shantae's an Indie series that has been pretty close to Nintendo; it's been Nintendo exclusive for years, even in regards to cameos, and even with the Steam ports, every Shantae has at least debuted on a Nintendo system. Ubisoft and Choice Provisions were able to push hard enough to get Rayman and Commander.Video trophies into the base game; maybe the Ballot gave Shantae enough clout for an Assist Trophy/Stage? Plus, again, assuming the most popular 3rd Party picks are her, Shovel Knight, Snake, Banjo, Bayonetta, Geno, and Sora, she and Shovel Knight are the only ones with a decent chance.

Again, though, this is Guile Etika. There are probably some people thinking Shantae has a shot, but no one, not even Etika himself, actually believes she's in as much as he's saying she is in this video.
 
I was thinking...

How cool would the E3/Best Buy 2014 demo be if it leaked? Would there be pieces of Ice Climbers left? Textures/Models of them maybe? Unfinished stages? Beta elements?

Chances are there'd be lots of interesting stuff on that build, considering it was probably pre-clones and pre-Ice Climbers being cut.

Often these things take years to leak, though, if they ever do.

Or what was on the 2013 E3 demo
 
I'm sure the Ice Climbers were already cut by this time last year.
The demo build from E3 2014 was a few months old at the time. Considering Dark Pit's segment in Palutena's trailer, I think this time last year is right around when the major late roster changes happened, since they didn't seem to have time to edit the trailer to show Dark Pit as a full character like they did for Lucina.

If the build was from March or April, that's 5-6 months of solid QA until release.
 
Of course that's assuming Dark Pit wasn't a character at the time of Palutena's trailer and they weren't just hiding him for shits and giggles.
 
I think Smash 4 had either gone gold or was close to it by the time of the demo build. Lucina was revealed less than a month afterwards (before Shulk, even).
 
Ice Climbers were fully functional on the Wii U. I feel like Sakurai left them untouched on the Wii U once they were done there and tried getting them on the 3DS until he realized it was futile.
 

Ryce

Member
Iwata acknowledges that Splatoon is EAD's first new character IP since Pikmin in the latest Iwata Asks. It would be a real shame if Inkling doesn't eventually become a DLC character.
 
Of course that's assuming Dark Pit wasn't a character at the time of Palutena's trailer and they weren't just hiding him for shits and giggles.

Yeah, I subscribe to that theory. Lucina, Doc and Dark Pit thrown into the roster together, Dark Pit only teased to avoid an instant Evil Cole publicity.
 

Crayolan

Member
Iwata acknowledges that Splatoon is EAD's first new character IP since Pikmin in the latest Iwata Asks. It would be a real shame if Inkling doesn't eventually become a DLC character.

Why? They're the perfect first newcomer for Smash 5. As a game releasing after Smash Wii U, they're not in a "it's now or never" situation.
 

Azure J

Member
Iwata acknowledges that Splatoon is EAD's first new character IP since Pikmin in the latest Iwata Asks. It would be a real shame if Inkling doesn't eventually become a DLC character.

That entire segment of the Iwata Asks really made it sound like they were very proud to bring forth a new Nintendo character too.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Iwata acknowledges that Splatoon is EAD's first new character IP since Pikmin in the latest Iwata Asks. It would be a real shame if Inkling doesn't eventually become a DLC character.
The Inklings as playable character in Smash is inevitable. The question is when.

Why? They're the perfect first newcomer for Smash 5. As a game releasing after Smash Wii U, they're not in a "it's now or never" situation.
While granted, they will be in Smash 5 if they aren't DLC now, they're among the most likely characters for that last mystery slot besides the Chorus Kids (assuming Wolf gets one of them)....if the slot isn't for the ballot winner that's within reason.
 
Why? They're the perfect first newcomer for Smash 5. As a game releasing after Smash Wii U, they're not in a "it's now or never" situation.

I think their appeal as the "cool new IP character" will have worn off in 5 or 6 years when Smash 5 comes out. I agree they'll be in either now or then, but now makes much more sense to me.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
I thought of three possible Final Smashes for Wonder-Red.

1. Platinum Robo Attack: Platinum Robo appears and wrecks everything.
2. Wonderful Smash: The rest of the main 7 come out and do a team attack with Wonder-Red finishing it. Though that's more for Nintendo vs. Capcom if it ever happens.
3. Unlimited Form: Like Wario Man, Red will engage Unlimited Form and briefly become faster and stronger.
 
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