Gonzo The Great
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Add Azura or Corrin and remove Lucina. Problem solved.
Not really, because people will complain that she got cut.
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When did people start hating this again? I remember when everyone was hyped out of their ass because "HOLY FUCK TWO OF THEM?!"
It'd be the Roy cycle all over again.
Nocturnowl
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We wishlisting for the next smash already? truly the cycle is unbreakable.
I'm just gonna lament the fact that I'll still be putting Dixie on that list of mine.
I'm just gonna lament the fact that I'll still be putting Dixie on that list of mine.
Dr. Buni
Member
It is just my opinion. I think I have the right of not wanting two Fire Emblem characters in the next Smash, the same way some people don't want K. Rool, Ridley and others.
If you like the 400 FE playable characters in Smash and want more, good for you. But I don't.
How would you all feel about a bunch of characters getting in as clones of our current roster? They could easily make a bunch of these, with minor changes. Especially considering all of the customs in the game.
Ridley (Charizard clone)
Impa (Sheik clone)
Dixie (Diddy clone)
K Rool (Bowser/Dedede semi-clone-- taking a bit from each and probably adding a crown throw)
Isaac (Robin clone)
Clones can play differently, and in the case of K Rool would likely be very different. They would lose a lot of their uniqueness, but it'd add a bunch of newcomers in people have been wanting.
Ridley (Charizard clone)
Impa (Sheik clone)
Dixie (Diddy clone)
K Rool (Bowser/Dedede semi-clone-- taking a bit from each and probably adding a crown throw)
Isaac (Robin clone)
Clones can play differently, and in the case of K Rool would likely be very different. They would lose a lot of their uniqueness, but it'd add a bunch of newcomers in people have been wanting.
I really don't think it's anywhere near as inevitable as you seem to think. Fire Emblem got one actual newcomer and a clone that was initially an alt for Smash 4's base game; with Roy returning as DLC due only to his veteran status and ease of production. Despite the series' newfound prominence, it wouldn't be that far-fetched for SSB5 to not have any new Fire Emblem characters.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkw8OXLr_w
Apparently Etika is doing a live debate on Youtube in two hours between K. Rool and Shovel Knight regarding their DLC chances. This might be entertaining.
Apparently Etika is doing a live debate on Youtube in two hours between K. Rool and Shovel Knight regarding their DLC chances. This might be entertaining.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Uhh... isn't this a pretty easy debate?
K Rool has popularity across all regions, but is hampered by being an old character that isn't relevant anymore. His Mii costume puts his chances in serious jeopardy, and it's pretty clear he probably isn't happening.
Shovel Knight has popularity as well, but is hampered by being a small title not released in Japan. There's, however, reliable information that points to him being a likely future addition.
What's there to debate about?
Nocturnowl
Member
Friend this is Smash Bros, having 0% is good, it's whoever gets knocked to around 160% first who has to be worried.
I'm sorry...sort of
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
They're still just rumors; I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him likely
SenorArdilla
Member
Marth. Buff Marth. Girl Marth. Fire Marth. Magic Marth. Dragon Marth. Girl Marth again with a spear.
Lucina was lucky that Sakurai decided to make her a new character instead of a costume.
NeonZ
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In the end, the main advantage of Lucina being a standalone character rather than a costume is actually outside of Smash. Due to getting an Amiibo, she was added to Codename STEAM, Fire Emblem Fates and Mario Maker. She wouldn't have gotten those appearances if she had been just a costume in Smash Bros (Well, Masked Lucina might have been in Fates anyway, but she'd lack even more features compared to the main cast and probably would just reuse skills, rather than having her own, like Minerva).
There probably will be yet another FE out before the next SSB game even starts development though, so if there are 2 new FE characters in the next game, it'd be probably something like Corrin + new FE protagonist or new default avatar. if there's only one new character, it's more likely to be that future new hero.
There probably will be yet another FE out before the next SSB game even starts development though, so if there are 2 new FE characters in the next game, it'd be probably something like Corrin + new FE protagonist or new default avatar. if there's only one new character, it's more likely to be that future new hero.
Green Mamba
Member
Ah, someone other than me finally mentioned Excitebiker!
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Excitebike is an incredibly iconic Nintendo game. His aerial attacks are easy to imagine, and he would have a turbo boost, oil spill, and ramp jump as special moves. A victory theme already exists, and his series symbol would be a checkered flag. It's all so obvious!
My two cents for Smash 5 newcomers if they're not Smash 4 DLC:
- Dixie Kong
- Chibi-Robo
- Inklings
- Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
- Captain Toad/Toadette
- King K. Rool
- Krystal
- Impa
- Wonder-Red
- Henry Fleming (Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.)
- Azura (Fire Emblem Fates)
- Avatar (Fire Emblem Fates)
- Gen VII Pokemon
- Takamaru
- Medusa
Honestly, my list is stacked with female characters even though I just know they'll add in like 10,000 more men, 3 avatars, and only 2 females.
- Dixie Kong
- Chibi-Robo
- Inklings
- Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
- Captain Toad/Toadette
- King K. Rool
- Krystal
- Impa
- Wonder-Red
- Henry Fleming (Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.)
- Azura (Fire Emblem Fates)
- Avatar (Fire Emblem Fates)
- Gen VII Pokemon
- Takamaru
- Medusa
Honestly, my list is stacked with female characters even though I just know they'll add in like 10,000 more men, 3 avatars, and only 2 females.
WiiRevolution1
Member
Have Yu use the Jack Frost Persona. Then you get both! :O
Toad, Bandana Dee, Ridley, Mona, and Vaati are my most desired characters.
On a separate note, I'm attending my first Smash 4 tournament at my university, and there's over 100 entrants. I'm going to be playing Marth or Link, so any tips will be appreciated.
On a separate note, I'm attending my first Smash 4 tournament at my university, and there's over 100 entrants. I'm going to be playing Marth or Link, so any tips will be appreciated.
RomanceDawn
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1 - Ridley - Would you believe me if I said I dreamed about playing as him since Smash 64? He's just cool and the little wings and lanky limbs always spoke to me. I never liked Retro's big, realistic wings as much. Superficially him and Charizard look similar but really it's like comparing Mario to Donkey Kong in my opinion.
2 - Dixie Kong - A female with a starring role in a huge trilogy! Love that design too!
3 - Sukapon - Nintendo's 1st fighter deserves some love.
4 - King K. Rool - I say I don't care about him much, but I really do.
5 - Toad/Captain Toad
6 - Takamaru
7 - Hades or Medusa(both some day if Kid Icarus keeps up)
8 - Rhythm Heavan rep
9 - Geno
10 - Skull Kid w/ Majoras Mask
I know my 9 and 10 probably aren't worthy but darn it I want them.
2 - Dixie Kong - A female with a starring role in a huge trilogy! Love that design too!
3 - Sukapon - Nintendo's 1st fighter deserves some love.
4 - King K. Rool - I say I don't care about him much, but I really do.
5 - Toad/Captain Toad
6 - Takamaru
7 - Hades or Medusa(both some day if Kid Icarus keeps up)
8 - Rhythm Heavan rep
9 - Geno
10 - Skull Kid w/ Majoras Mask
I know my 9 and 10 probably aren't worthy but darn it I want them.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I really like both characters but I find it sort of awkward you'd have a live debate for something like this.
Keep hitting your opponents until they fall off, and if you can't handle that then just disconnect their GCN controller when no one's looking.
If they're (somehow) playing with a non-GCN controller than you're screwed, sorry.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
"Retro costumes"
Interesting choice of words.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I assume because K Rool is using his SNES appearance for the costume and not his modern design.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Then who's to say that his modern design can't be playable? Note that it says "Dress up your Mii as King K. Rool or a Flying Man!" and not "Play as Chrom, Lloyd Irving or Heihachi with these Mii Costumes!"
UglyRareCharacter
Member
Ya and it does not say "you voted for K.Rool so dress your Mii up as him now!"
inb4 LOL HIS FANS R SO DEELUSIONAL
inb4 LOL HIS FANS R SO DEELUSIONAL
Red Arremer
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The K. Rool militia in this thread has changed my attitude about him from "sympathetic to the cause" over "indifferent" to "I hope he doesn't make it in out of spite".
Congrats.
Also obviously this also means Flying Man is confirmed playable.
Congrats.
Also obviously this also means Flying Man is confirmed playable.
Green Mamba
Member
You know, I can't help but feel you're not exactly helping your own cause here.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Just a funny thought, if Young Link came back, we'd have a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.
Smash 4 Young Link would be a clone of Toon Link, who was a clone of Melee Young Link, who was a clone of Link.
And people wonder why most people don't really consider Young Link for DLC.
Smash 4 Young Link would be a clone of Toon Link, who was a clone of Melee Young Link, who was a clone of Link.
And people wonder why most people don't really consider Young Link for DLC.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
"militia"
That's a new one. The K. Rool fans aren't the ones making constant ad hominem attacks.
Tell that to the people in the K. Rool support thread on SmashBoards that you've posted in instead of bashing them behind their backs.
Red Arremer
Member
I can't call you anything less than militia because "fans" would be too mild. You ARE quite militant.
UglyRareCharacter
Member
Ha ha if I posted nothing the 'delusional' comments would come no matter what, if I take the words out of other people's mouths before they can, they call me part of a militia
Looks like you have gotten your bases covered
I do prefer 'the cult of Rool' out of all of this thread's half baked insults though, that one is at least funny
Looks like you have gotten your bases covered
I do prefer 'the cult of Rool' out of all of this thread's half baked insults though, that one is at least funny
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Red Arremer
Member
Yes, obviously the people in this thread have specifically come together to conspire against you, UglyRareCharacter. You got us now. We have nothing better to do than try to insult you. How did you find out our secret?
Either way, my disdain towards you and the character you support is solely your own doing.
Either way, my disdain towards you and the character you support is solely your own doing.
InaSnowBoundLand
Member
If you're complaining about over-zealousness, your comment doesn't do much to distinguish itself.
Regarding the Mii costumes: while ambiguously timed, nobody's been able to connect the costumes with the ballot. If anything, Mii costumes for other characters suggest the importance of the pre-ballot phase, instead. After all, according to SourceGaming, Heihachi and Chrom were considered as additions to the vanilla roster. Whether K. Rool was considered for the vanilla roster is unknown, but even if he wasn't, the developers may have noted his popularity. He was among the most popular character choices for the original game:
I don't have data on hand about Smash demand elsewhere, but given that many of the actual newcomers we received (e.g. Palutena, Little Mac, Shulk, any Fire Emblem character) aren't particularly notable outside of hardcore Nintendo fans, any popularity polling that took place probably occurred on the internet in Nintendo fan communities. Anecdotally, the top 10 or so seem largely consistent across communities. But this is based on my memory, so I acknowledge this limitation.
Lloyd's costume seems more believably tied to Namco's role in development than anything else. It seems sloppy to think that demand for the character even approached K. Rool's, especially in the ballot. In fact, community polls suggest that Chrom, Heihachi, and Lloyd are basically non-entities in the ballot. Sourcegaming's preliminary observations of Japanese ballot "outcry" don't even give the characters a mention. Their Februrary observations only mention Chrom. Even then, he does not appear among the top 15. While you may object to the representativeness of these polls, one would actually expect observations in the hardcore community to overestimate Heihachi, Chrom, and Lloyd's popularity given their relative obscurity among "casuals" (especially the latter two). If they barely make a blip in observations of hardcore communities, is it reasonable to believe they received support from casual fans? I don't think so.
You might not agree with my argument that mii costumes were planned based pre-ballot considerations (including popularity and actual consideration for the roster). That's fair; the evidence is shaky. The point, however, is that there are other potential explanations than the consolation prize argument. In fact, my explanation at least has more evidence attached than the consolation prize argument. If the consolation argument were stronger , I think we would have seen more costumes than just K. Rool's. After all, most demanded characters won't be included as DLC. If these costumes are truly meant to act as consolation prizes, one would expect other more notably popular ballot characters to have shown up. Using Heihachi and Chrom as cases supporting the consolation prize arguments seems inappropriate given that the evidence we do have suggests they were bigger considerations before the ballot commenced. We have no information suggestion Lloyd was officially considered before the ballot, but we also have none to suggest he is a popularly demanded ballot character at all.
The consolation argument remains a possibility. At this moment in time, however, I think connecting K. Rool's mii costume (or any Mii costume) to the ballot is premature.
UglyRareCharacter
Member
Arremer is also mad that I didn't go back to look up his name one time while I was disproving his comment about Dixie having been a new model for her trophy and called him a guy with a furry avatar instead. So idk
RomanceDawn
Member
Man those polls always gave me such hope! At the very least I'm glad Ridley is popular and always a heavily discussed topic, so much so that Sakurai even acknowledged it himself.
No fans are worse than Ridley fans though. Quitters the lot of them! After Sakurai came out and said why there was no Ridley it just shut everyone up. At the very least I wished his fans stayed loud enough to hopefully influence the ballot or the next game! I guess everyone can't be strong like me. In times of war the vicious sting of defeat changes one forever.
Still Ridley has been consistently popular for so long maybe his fans don't need to be so loud at this very moment. Maybe after all the hooplah, Sakurai has already made up/changed his mind about Ridley if he were to start work on a brand new Smash.
As for costumes as consolation prizes I'm still not entirely sold on that either. I'm not sure exactly what I think but when people throw absolutes around like "if it's a mii costume and a brand new character, then that character can't be a regular fighter" I just roll my eyes. I have a strong feeling that K Rool will be the one to break that rule. Of course the response will be he is the exception and they'll just change the "rules" every time.
No fans are worse than Ridley fans though. Quitters the lot of them! After Sakurai came out and said why there was no Ridley it just shut everyone up. At the very least I wished his fans stayed loud enough to hopefully influence the ballot or the next game! I guess everyone can't be strong like me. In times of war the vicious sting of defeat changes one forever.
Still Ridley has been consistently popular for so long maybe his fans don't need to be so loud at this very moment. Maybe after all the hooplah, Sakurai has already made up/changed his mind about Ridley if he were to start work on a brand new Smash.
As for costumes as consolation prizes I'm still not entirely sold on that either. I'm not sure exactly what I think but when people throw absolutes around like "if it's a mii costume and a brand new character, then that character can't be a regular fighter" I just roll my eyes. I have a strong feeling that K Rool will be the one to break that rule. Of course the response will be he is the exception and they'll just change the "rules" every time.
Dr. Buni
Member
I think it is pretty clear as long Sakurai is the director, Ridley has no chances whatsoever of being playable. I don't see the point of being loud about him anymore :/
RomanceDawn
Member
You... So Sakurai got to you too huh?!
Well I just think Sakurai is like any other person, he could have a change of heart, an epiphany, or some Devine intervention at any moment. He did out right say he couldn't imagine Pac Man fighting in Brawl and here we are now.
There are a few Ridley fans that kept on fighting in significant ways though. One Smash Boards user created this massive book, all about Ridley and why he could and should be in Smash. It was done in English and Japanese and shipped off to Nintendo in both regions just a few weeks ago. I can't imagine Nintendo in any way will acknowledge that they received it so I'm trying to rally the Ridley fans to ask them about it through miiverse, Facebook, Twitter and what ever else.
The dreams of men will never die! Zehahaha!!!
balladofwindfishes
Member
I think even a new director wouldn't put Ridley in either. It'll probably be someone hand picked by Sakurai and team who basically thinks a lot like Sakurai.
And really, the reasons Sakurai gave for not including Ridley are more or less valid reasons. A new director isn't magically going to make those issues go away.
RomanceDawn
Member
You call them issues, I call them excuses.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
So tomorrow then? Or is it American 31 and not Japan?
Really, the more likely scenario is that Ridley would be given a smaller role in future games with a different director. Despite not coming from the most notable of franchises and being unworkable as a playable character from Sakurai's perspective; he still finds a way to give him a relatively major NPC role in every game.
That version's a little outdated by now; recent revisions have helped a little in terms of reconciling his proportions (especially the length of the tail) and fixing some of the choppier animations.
Well, we're close to the one-year anniversary of release, and we're discussing Ridley's feasibility right now. I'd say now's as good of a time as ever to bring Smash Weekends back! Who wants to talk about the Fan Fiction?
I wholeheartedly agree! It's just a mod, so it's rough around the edges, but it's great base! Just give it some Sakurai-tier polish, and it could totally work! Oh, to have our favorite pirate space dragon stealing our hearts in Smash...
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Why, oh why is the PMBR working on freaking Knuckles instead of Ridley?
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