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[Dr. Buni]

Pichu, Young Link and Shovel Knight.

"We thought about how fans of Melee really enjoyed the game, so we wanted to bring back all the characters that we could from Melee. Now you can once again play as Young Link! He plays a lot like Toon Link, but has some slight changes to his design and moves. For example, his arrows cause fire damage now!"

Lol! That would be the best day. Hopefully not on a Friday so I could stick all day reading salty messages on the internet.

It would be glorious lol

I'm going to get me a good bucket of popcorns. It would be so glorious for sure.

Indeed it would! But I kinda want Pichu back, before or after Wolf. In fact, why not bring all veterans (other than Snake and IC) back?

 

[Zubz]

I'm going to get me a good bucket of popcorns. It would be so glorious for sure.

You wouldn't even need to look for the salt; you could just scoop it up off the ground!

I'd rather have Wolf, and would much rather have Ivysaur, Snake, or the Ice Climbers, but I'd love to see Pichu back, myself.

 

[Triforce141]

After reading why Sakurai didn't put in Takamaru as a fighter in Sm4sh, I hope he gets more than consideration in Sm4sh DLC / Smash NX fighter selection from this ballot.

Then Tomokazu Sugita makes a comment about how happy he was to see Takamaru. Sakurai reveals that Takamaru was briefly considered for a playable character. However, since his popularity was too low, Sakurai felt it was impossible to add him.

I know that high amount of votes in the ballot =/= guarantee fighter in smash, but it should be enough for Sakurai to see that Takamaru isn't that obscure.

Everyone expecting Wolf to be announced next. Imagine if they announce Pichu instead.

After what they did to Roy, I wouldn't mind, Pichu would be a better fighter than Mewtwo, even if Pichu were to be nerfed from Melee to Sm4sh.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Eh, I would say Takamaru is very obscure, but he was my #1 choice for a retro rep in Smash 4

After what they did to Roy, I wouldn't mind, Pichu would be a better fighter than Mewtwo, even if Pichu were to be nerfed from Melee to Sm4sh.

What did they do to Roy?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What did they do to Roy?

Turned a poorly balanced full clone into a well balanced semi-clone that plays distinct from his base, but still familiar to his old Melee self. He was also given a design update that pleased fans of his two different visual designs and brought him in line with the rest of the FE cast. They also lovingly brought back his original voice actor with pitch perfect sound design to make Roy sound older and more mature while still sounding like the same person as he used to be. Bringing an actor back after 15 years is no small feat, and to perform exactly the same voice, but matured in a way that fit his new design is something of a miracle.

Roy could have been Doc and just got ported right from Marth with a slight tweak to his neutral special animation. But they didn't. They went above and beyond what most people were expecting.

 

[kirby_fox]

Everyone brought back is my dream.

Snake returns, played by Hayter again. Getting Hayter in the studio was really hard to do since he's union. Timing didn't work out until DLC came into play. Plays exactly the same.

Squirtle returns. His moves have been buffed-- he now uses Hydro Pump instead of Water Gun (charges and causes damage). His side special is now Surf that moves more horizontally. His up special is now Waterfall that moves more vertically. His down special is withdraw, which works more as a counter as it builds up. Final Smash is Water Spout, where the stage has randomized water spouts erupting out of it.

Ivysaur returns. Moves have been buffed-- bullet seed is now leech seed, shoots directly upwards. Razor leaf is now leaf storm, and works more like Megaman's attack. Recovery is now Seed Bomb, and is used to explode upwards. While on the ground you can aim it. Down special is now vine whip and is a grab move that targets enemies. Final Smash is solar beam.

Pichu returns. Plays exactly the same, with more power, more speed, but the same amount of damage. Headbutt move can be turned into Iron Tail, where he finishes the move with a hard tail slap. Minor differences can be tweeked.

Ice Climbers return, exclusive DLC to the New 3DS and Wii U. Play exactly as they used to with minor buffs/changes.

Young Link returns. Fire arrows, bigger blast for bombs, no charging hero spin, faster more damaging boomerang, mix of Toon and Link's regular moves. Final Smash is Fierce Diety mask or Biggoron Sword.

Wolf returns. Final Smash is a clone of Zero Suit's.

Pokemon Trainer returns. Fights himself. Uses Pokeballs that work like Yoshi's eggs, bicycle similar to Wario's bike, Pidgeot recover similar to Megaman's, fishing pole used as a grab. Final Smash sends out Blaziken to go Mega and attack- is named Pokemon Battle (because you get caught in this Final Smash by looking at him)

Everyone returns. Everyone!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I think Pokemon Trainer should be connected with Ivysaur. I think that makes Ivysaur a more plausible addition and attaches it to a character that can actually carry themselves in Smash instead of being in Smash because they already had Squirtle and Charizard and Ivysaur was the default.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Snake is not coming back Wolf's FS should be his Wolfen. It is weird how none of the Star Fox have the Airwings or Wolfen as their FS.

Turned a poorly balanced full clone into a well balanced semi-clone that plays distinct from his base, but still familiar to his old Melee self. He was also given a design update that pleased fans of his two different visual designs and brought him in line with the rest of the FE cast. They also lovingly brought back his original voice actor with pitch perfect sound design to make Roy sound older and more mature while still sounding like the same person as he used to be. Bringing an actor back after 15 years is no small feat, and to perform exactly the same voice, but matured in a way that fit his new design is something of a miracle.

Roy could have been Doc and just got ported right from Marth with a slight tweak to his neutral special animation. But they didn't. They went above and beyond what most people were expecting.

Besides the character design change, I wouldn't know that without someone telling me. I never gave Roy much attention back in the day and I haven't bought his DLC yet.

But that sounds pretty nice, I wonder if we should expect changes on other returning veterans as well.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

There's maintenance all the time without balance changes: August 5, July 13, July 2, and so on.

All of which happened at midnight PST or later.

 

[kirby_fox]

I think Pokemon Trainer should be connected with Ivysaur. I think that makes Ivysaur a more plausible addition and attaches it to a character that can actually carry themselves in Smash instead of being in Smash because they already had Squirtle and Charizard and Ivysaur was the default.

I just really want to play as Pokemon Trainer fighting because I think it'd be hilarious and awesome all at the same time.

 

[jph139]

I've always been sort of disappointed they never used an evolution mechanic for a Pokemon. For example: start with Bulbasaur, after dealing a certain amount of damage/number of KOs he evolves into Ivysaur, then Venusaur. Same moveset for each, same animations for most moves, trading speed for power (or, honestly, just increasing in power). Doesn't reset between stocks or anything, permanent change per battle.

I dunno, just seems like a really obvious things to implement. Though I guess they've never really had a chance - outside of Pokemon Trainer (where evolution would obviously be incredibly cumbersome on top of the switching), every Pokemon in Smash is either a final evolution or evolves via an alternative method.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I've always been sort of disappointed they never used an evolution mechanic for a Pokemon. Start with Bulbasaur, after dealing a certain amount of damage/number of KOs he evolves into Ivysaur, then Venusaur. Same moveset for each, same animations for most moves, but speed decreases and power increases (though ultimately getting stronger overall). Doesn't reset between stocks or anything.

I dunno, just seems like a really obvious things to implement. Though I guess they've never really had a chance - outside of Pokemon Trainer (where evolution would obviously be incredibly cumbersome on top of the switching), every Pokemon in Smash is either a final evolution or evolves via an alternative method.

Wow, never really realized Squirtle and Ivysaur were the only Pokemon in Smash that evolved in a "normal" way...

Pikachu: Thunder Stone
Jigglypuff: Moon Stone
Mewtwo: Doesn't evolve
Pichu: Friendship
Squirtle: Normal
Ivysaur: Normal
Charizard: Final form
Lucario: Final form
Greninja: Final form


This appeared on 4Chan. At first glance, can't find any errors, but it's probably fake. Be kind of cool though.

 

[Russ T]

Everyone expecting Wolf to be announced next. Imagine if they announce Pichu instead.

I would be incredibly happy!

 

[Richie]

This appeared on 4Chan. At first glance, can't find any errors, but it's probably fake. Be kind of cool though.

After the Dr. Mario stage fiasco, I'm guessing someone caught wind of many anticipating something tomorrow, and fixed this up quick to ride on the hype vaporware.

I'd like for it to be real though, actually playable Ridley! Lol.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Eh, I would say Takamaru is very obscure, but he was my #1 choice for a retro rep in Smash 4

We must have Takamaru in the game somehow in the future!

This appeared on 4Chan. At first glance, can't find any errors, but it's probably fake. Be kind of cool though.

Is that same rumor that said that we would have 2-3 more characters?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Seems like a weird thing to fake given I assumed the Boss Vs. mode was cut from Smash 4 due to there being so few bosses. I'd dig it at least.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Practice is spelled wrong lol

How did I not notice that before I bothered posting it.


Edit: WAIT A MINUTE. This typo is in the real game

Is that same rumor that said that we would have 2-3 more characters?

I have no idea, got it from Reddit.

 

[Dr. Buni]

Is that same rumor that said that we would have 2-3 more characters?

Yes.

What I like about it: Dixie, Tetra and Captain Toad being the likely ballot DLC newcomers. Oh and Bandana Dee too.

What I dislike about: It is fake.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Why would you fight Master Hand on Miiverse?

 

[Richie]

Practice is spelled wrong lol

How did I not notice that before I bothered posting it.


Edit: WAIT A MINUTE. This typo is in the real game

Did a quick Google search:

In the main varieties of English from outside North America, practice is the noun, and practise is the verb.

Ah man. I really don't want to get let down again like I did with Dr. Mario's stage, will consider it a nice fake for now.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Practice is spelled wrong lol

How did I not notice that before I bothered posting it.

it's not typo.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Oh right. Customisations, Duck Hunt Duo and Wii Fit TRAINER should have tipped me off it's European.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Yes.

What I like about it: Dixie, Tetra and Captain Toad being the likely ballot DLC newcomers. Oh and Bandana Dee too.

What I dislike about: It is fake.

Yeah, too bad. I don't mind to see Dixie and Tetra.

 

[Tyeforce]

Oh right. Customisations, Duck Hunt Duo and Wii Fit TRAINER should have tipped me off it's European.

It's still "Wii Fit TRAINER" in North America, too. Only Duck Hunt Duo is different. =P

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It's still "Wii Fit TRAINER" in North America, too. Only Duck Hunt Duo is different. =P

Oh lol, never noticed. Just assumed it was a wacky NoE thing.

Anyway, if those images are real it kind of confirms no new character this patch, unless the leak is just without the DLC.

 

[Dr. Buni]

I wish it was Duck Hunt Duo in the NA version too. Maybe people would stop calling the character by "he" if that was the case

Yeah, too bad. I don't mind to see Dixie and Tetra.

What about Captain Toad? A character that can't jump would be a neat addition.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I wish it was Duck Hunt Duo in the NA version too. Maybe people would stop calling the character by "he" if that was the case
What about Captain Toad? A character that can't jump would be a neat addition.

But NoE is just outright wrong. Duck Hunt is three characters. That's the official explanation for them. Duck Hunt Duo is a poor name.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I wish it was Duck Hunt Duo in the NA version too. Maybe people would stop calling the character by "he" if that was the case
What about Captain Toad? A character that can't jump would be a neat addition.

I always imagine that they would use platform that would appear under Cap Toad every time he jump. XD

 

[Dr. Buni]

But NoE is just outright wrong. Duck Hunt is three characters. That's the official explanation for them. Duck Hunt Duo is a poor name.

Duck Hunt Trio then.

I always imagine that they would use platform that would appear under Cap Toad every time he jump. XD

That would be a clever way of dealing with his lack of jumping abilities.

 

[Ahnez]

Duck Hunt trio lol

edit Seriously, I would love Takamaru being added.. But its not happening :/

 

[Regulus Tera]

Turned a poorly balanced full clone into a well balanced semi-clone that plays distinct from his base, but still familiar to his old Melee self. He was also given a design update that pleased fans of his two different visual designs and brought him in line with the rest of the FE cast. They also lovingly brought back his original voice actor with pitch perfect sound design to make Roy sound older and more mature while still sounding like the same person as he used to be. Bringing an actor back after 15 years is no small feat, and to perform exactly the same voice, but matured in a way that fit his new design is something of a miracle.

It's Jun Fukuyama. The guy is a legend in the seiyuu industry.

 

[BGBW]

OFF SCREEN PHOTOS
LEAK IN!

 

[Red Arremer]

But NoE is just outright wrong. Duck Hunt is three characters. That's the official explanation for them. Duck Hunt Duo is a poor name.

Yeah, I -hate- the Duck Hunt Duo name. I seriously do not understand why NoE had to rename the character. This is even directly going against the reveal trailer since it has the zapper player as well.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

According to Unseen64, they're doing some edits to the ballot page.

This is so weird. All this stuff happening, it'd be really strange for it all to come together to be absolutely nothing.

 

[BGBW]

The character's full name is 'Duck Hunt Duo with occasional support from a third party'.

According to Unseen64, they're doing some edits to the ballot page.

This is so weird. All this stuff happening, it'd be really strange for it all to come together to be absolutely nothing.

Well with the maintenance coming, if you're gonna post a [fake] leak this is the time to do it.

 

[Regulus Tera]

According to Unseen64, they're doing some edits to the ballot page.

This is so weird. All this stuff happening, it'd be really strange for it all to come together to be absolutely nothing.

what if

what if the ballot is changing so that you only choose from one of the three top choices

a deathmatch!?

 

[Dr. Buni]

I really can't wait for the announcement of... something...

what if

what if the ballot is changing so that you only choose from one of the three top choices

a deathmatch!?

Watch K. Rool not being among the three top choices XD

 

[Kouichi]

what if

what if the ballot is changing so that you only choose from one of the three top choices

a deathmatch!?

Oh that'd be great.

 

[BGBW]

Nah, they probably just noticed that I've been running a script that's been voting for nothing but Stunfisk every ten minutes for the past three months.

 

[UglyRareCharacter]

Yeah lol Space Pirate vs Toadsworth vs Shovel Knight cuz "it's a suggestion box"

 

[PadWarrior]

What's this about maintenance happening? People think we getting dlc?

 

[mStudios]

I really can't wait for the announcement of... something...

Watch K. Rool not being among the three top choices XD

As it should be, nobody wants that stray rat in Smash.

 

[Dr. Buni]

cuz "it's a suggestion box"

But it kinda is.

What's this about maintenance happening? People think we getting dlc?

I honestly can't see DLC happening without any prior announcements.

As it should be, nobody wants that stray rat in Smash.

Gonzo the Great am cry.

 

[MrSaturn99]

So uh

Have we ever seen the GSP score being this high before in promotional material?

 

[DICKS AHOY]

So uh

Have we ever seen the GSP score being this high before in promotional material?

That's the combined GSP score.

What I find weirder looking at the screen again is the 'Intense'; wasn't that difficulty setting only in Brawl?

 

[UglyRareCharacter]

But it kinda is.

I honestly can't see DLC happening without any prior announcements.

Gonzo the Great am cry.

I know but it's super dumb to think they're going to ignore who is getting votes and just go "ROFL GAF MADE A GOOD CHORUS KIDS IMAGE, THEY IN"

As it should be, nobody wants that stray rat in Smash.

And whiny peeps in here whine that K. Rool fans are the toxic ones, tsk

 

[Dr. Buni]

At least the Chorus Kids were planned to be in the game, unlike K. Rool x)

I do think they could, say, skip the #2 on the ballot in favor of the #3 if the #3 have more potential for an unique moveset, if it is easier/faster to develop, etc.

Fortunately for K. Rool, he does have potential for uniqueness... but then again so did Ridley ^_^

 

[InaSnowBoundLand]

As it should be, nobody wants that stray rat in Smash.

Lots of people do, myself included.

You don't have to like him or restrict yourself to positive remarks, but I suggest being more respectful next time.

 

[Russ T]

If Ridley is out because he's too big, then K. Rool must be out because he's too ugly.

U; U; U;

 

[jph139]

I am curious if the K. Rool groundswell is one among many flashes-in-the-pan, or actually the new status quo - like, if he doesn't get in as DLC, will he remain a constant point of discussion on the road to Smash 5?

Essentially, is he the new Ridley or the new Banjo-Kazooie?