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Smash Wii U & 3DS Downloadable Characters Discussion and Information on Smash Ballot
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TheDinoman
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^Hahahaha.
To give Superbot some credit, they actually DID want to use the original Dante...it was just Capcom that made them go with the DmC variation, because, you know, advertisement and stuff.
To give Superbot some credit, they actually DID want to use the original Dante...it was just Capcom that made them go with the DmC variation, because, you know, advertisement and stuff.
Geminosity
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I'd include having to use new Dante rather than old dante as part of my 'weird concessions' point ;DPlayStation All-Stars Capcom representation
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, they even asked for Lara Croft, Cloud and few characters and the companies said no.
Honestly, I thought they should have went with only Playstation IP roster for first game then they could focus on third party characters for sequels.
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I wish we had a helmetless variation of Mega Man in the game. 
or even one with the metool hat
or even one with the metool hatDICKS AHOY
Banned
I really was expecting a 'casual' alt for Mega Man given you see his hair for a bit in his reveal trailer.
balladofwindfishes
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I'd use Megam Man more if he had a Bass alt character costume.
MrSaturn99
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Smash needs more alt costumes, in general.
Especially with how DmC Dante's lines were in PASBR, they were more in line with the original series Dante.
SenorArdilla
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Can you really blame Superbot though? It's like telling a small-time developer to create the next Halo without helping them.
Green Mamba
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Concerning Playstation All-Stars comparison too, I think there's something to Smash that Sakurai brings that I don't think many people consider--he's really good at working with many disparate teams across both Nintendo and third parties to cooperate with the production. I mean, we know the Pokemon Company have their own sets of rules (and they are one of the hardest to work with), but every team has their own expectations, and without Smash's prestige and Sakurai's own internal networking it would have fallen apart. I mean, no team would make the demands Sucker Punch made for PSABR if it was Smash and Sakurai.
This is one of the main things I worry about concerning a Sakurai-less future for the series.
This is one of the main things I worry about concerning a Sakurai-less future for the series.
Yeah, a cast of total nobodies like Parappa the Rappa, Heihachi Mishima and Kratos would be tragic wouldn't it?
PSA's roster problems are more related to the fact that most of playstation's major characters aren't first party and all the licensing issues that lead to them not getting some of the biggest ones or having to make weird concessions to get them (e.g. double cole)
The lack of Crash Bandicoot and snake and whatnot wasn't a 'quality control' issue
PSA is a pretty bad game though and you should feel bad for forcing me to defend it
PSA third party problem is that they went for Devil May Cry and Infamous instead of Lara Croft and Crash Bandicoot
SEGA demanded modern sonic instead of Chubby one. I heard NAMCO demanded new pacman and sakurai wanted first version... they found a middle ground
I don't get the people who were upset over having two Coles in the game.
The whole point of Infamous 2 was deciding whether you wanted to play it through good or bad decisions. Having two versions of him makes sense considering different people might like the different Coles. Considering how many clones we have already in Smash, having two Coles wasn't that big of a deal.
Now, third party characters like new Dante and Issac from Deadspace made no sense.
The whole point of Infamous 2 was deciding whether you wanted to play it through good or bad decisions. Having two versions of him makes sense considering different people might like the different Coles. Considering how many clones we have already in Smash, having two Coles wasn't that big of a deal.
Now, third party characters like new Dante and Issac from Deadspace made no sense.
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Is there any place I can read stuff behind the character approval for PSABR? Sounds like a clusterfuck.
Green Mamba
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I think there's a difference between that and "Make two versions of Cole or you don't get Sly Cooper."
Geminosity
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Laura Croft you say? http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...-battle-royale-if-its-release-date-was-later/
As for Crash Bandicoot they had tweeted that it was "100% not possible" indicating that they'd probably requested him too and met similar 'no' responses for whoever's in charge of that character.
Again. PSA's roster wasn't a 'choice' problem but simply the fact they could barely get anyone to actually give them their character or if they could it usually came with all kinds of weird little clauses like a specific version of them or whatnot :3 Basically what GreenMamba is saying Sakurai and Ninty managed to avoid
Green Mamba
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That all said PSABR still had guest nobodies like Big Daddy and the guy from Dead Space that had no excuse and weren't exactly helping their case.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
^ I'm not sure about first one but your Namco information seem to be twisted. Full story here: http://nintendoeverything.com/sakur...mash-if-not-allowed-to-use-old-school-design/
They went with properties they owned for the most part. Characters like PaRappa, Sir Dan and Spike were great Playstation choices. They were never gonna get Crash and people don't realize just how hard it is because it's Activision who owns the rights.
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Big Daddies are nobodies now? Bioshock was very popular.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Yup, I think the biggest missing "IT FACTOR" of PSASBR was it didn't have a visionary on the team---it was built by dudes who had love for the fighting-game genre from my understanding, but no one who went beyond the technical and brought a singular vision that the team could work towards. I'm not sure who at Sony would be comparable to Sakurai though to fill that spot though.
All this PSASBR talk is making me sad about all the DLC that was in the works for the game but never came to fruition, seeing how DLC duties were passed off to Sony Santa Monica shortly after launch. And then SSM saw the game as competition for God of War: Ascension's multiplayer (Remember that game?), and decided to only release the DLC that was God of War-related, leaving Abe, Dart, and the Gravity Rush level 3/4 completed and leaving the rest of the game to die.
We only got Isaac because Zeus needed a "rival," and we only got more costumes so Kratos could get a "Generic GoW: Ascension Multiplayer Soldier" costume. Well, we also got the MediEvil level after their takeover, but I'm assuming it was because it was meant to release alongside Zeus and Isaac, anyway.
Either way, this just has me thirsty for PSASBR2, but I guess Smash 4 will have to do since the first game was a failure. And seriously, as much as I'd want a dedicated DLC team so Sakurai and his crew can take a break, I'm thankful that their autonomy wasn't ripped away from them.
We only got Isaac because Zeus needed a "rival," and we only got more costumes so Kratos could get a "Generic GoW: Ascension Multiplayer Soldier" costume. Well, we also got the MediEvil level after their takeover, but I'm assuming it was because it was meant to release alongside Zeus and Isaac, anyway.
Either way, this just has me thirsty for PSASBR2, but I guess Smash 4 will have to do since the first game was a failure. And seriously, as much as I'd want a dedicated DLC team so Sakurai and his crew can take a break, I'm thankful that their autonomy wasn't ripped away from them.
If this is right ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment#Owned_franchises_and_properties
Lemmings, Loco Roco (not just a stage), Alundra, Jumping Flash rabbit, Q Bert, Syphon Filter dude, Vib Ribbon, Tokyo Jungle, WILD ARMS !!!!
And a Wipout dude like Captain Falcon would be awesome
Lots of potential to make some amazing bizarre characters like Wii Fit, Game & Watch, ROB and Ice Climbers
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
oh hey it's the 26th
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
and?
Dr. Buni
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and tomorrow is the 27th!
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I thought those leakers were pining in 26th
So I guess it's all dead then
So I guess it's all dead then
balladofwindfishes
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They were saying the 23rd, which passed already
Dr. Buni
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TheDinoman
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Ultimately with Superbot, they were a small time developer making a low budget game here. Other companies probably just didn't think highly of them or trust them with more actual valuable characters and just wanted some of their characters in for advertisement and nothing more.
DICKS AHOY
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Heihachi was the only justified 'guest' in PSASBR and he just got lucky he could be tied into Tekken Tag Tournament 2 to get in with the same design he'd have back in the PS1 era.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Regardless, it was already a flawed system to begin with. It honestly felt like they were going for "muh uniqueness" that they focus on what actually works.
I hate PS All-Stars, but it's got a lot going against it. It's a game that seems like it didn't ever know what it's budget was. It's also pretty hard for an unproven developer to do a cross-over game, because then they'll just get told what to do by the companies involved too much. You think Sakurai would've included two different Coles with largely different movesets or use only the newest designs for third parties? Hell no. Hell, neither would Naughty Dog, the original choice for developer probably.
The uniqueness thing also feels really weird because it honestly feels like you had two different parties making the game-one that wanted a straight up Smash clone and one that wanted something more unique-and this was just a compromise they came up with that left nobody happy.
DICKS AHOY
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Couldn't Evil Cole have just been a Zelda-style transformation?
Or hell, push Infamous' morality system in his moveset and have Cole throughout a stock based on how you play 'gravitate' towards either hero/evil and have it reset when you lose one.
Or hell, push Infamous' morality system in his moveset and have Cole throughout a stock based on how you play 'gravitate' towards either hero/evil and have it reset when you lose one.
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Romanes Eunt Domus
Last week we had a constant barrage of Mario Tennis news... well, constant as in we got a new video every other day. Maybe this week is Smash's turn!!!
balladofwindfishes
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Don't they have an investor's meeting this week?
DICKS AHOY
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the investors have spoken and they want fucking funky kong in smash bros.
UglyRareCharacter
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Deserve is a dumb word but I do not fault people for wanting quality control in the roster at all. What is the alternative: blind acceptance of literally any new fighter because Stop Complaining, They'll Be Fun.
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More the reason they should announce something hype
balladofwindfishes
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Well, at minimum I expect some kind of Amiibo news. Investors love them, they make boatloads of money and yet we don't really have any announced for next year besides some C tier Animal Crossing characters and the last three Smash characters (Lucas, Roy and Ryu). And for those we don't even have release dates or mockup shots.
Like, it's gotten so bad with news that Amiibos aren't even being announced anymore. The thing that helped Nintendo turn around their profit outlook...
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Considering their implementation in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, there have to be amiibos in the work for Waluigi and Boo.
balladofwindfishes
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Oh man, that also means a Dry Bowser Amiibo if all the Tennis characters get Amiibo.
That'll work out nicely when they add him as a semi-clone to Bowser!
Gonzo The Great
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People said the same thing about Mario Party 10. It's certainly possible, but don't expect anything. I think a Zelda line is more likely.
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All Amiibos did in Mario Party 10 was unlock new boards. The amiibos in Ultra Smash allow you to AI train a character. It would be strange if you could only use that feature for some of the cast.
About time we got a Waluigi amiibo! I've been waiting for one since Mario Party 10. I'm hoping we get a regular Mario series Rosalina as well, and Wario in his classic outfit.
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