"Light Gun Series" is a thing in Japan, too. It even has its own Wikipedia entry.
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Smash Wii U & 3DS Downloadable Characters Discussion and Information on Smash Ballot
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TheDinoman
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Fascinating. Did "Sport Series", "Action Series" and such exist there, too?
TDLink
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Waluigi
I don't believe so.
stan423321
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It's time to break another taboo. The representative of unlicensed NES games. I nominate Dizzy.
MrSaturn99
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No, the 'retro' character worth it is this guy:
Excitebike is the ninth best selling NES game of all time, more popular than a lot of SSB franchises' initial releases. And while its newer releases have been considerably less than stellar, it is still technically sort of alive (unlike a lot of its contemporaries like Ice Hockey and Baseball), and Nintendo does still like to reference it (got an entire track dedicated to it in Mario Kart 8's DLC). So it's probably one of the most significant old Nintendo franchise that isn't represented in Smash 4.
And this is just me, but a tiny dude driving a tiny motorcycle sounds like a more interesting character than another guy with a sword or Villager's Up-B made playable.
But then they'd have to put in ramps to make him jump! (Not actually the reason)
the ramps should be his recovery
balladofwindfishes
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Wasn't Excite Biker not being able jump one of Sakurai's reasons for not picking him for Melee?
MrSaturn99
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It was. According to Source Gaming, however, it seems he added "not actually the issue" in a tongue-in-cheek way.
TheDinoman
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That reasoning there kinda reminds me of the nonsense excuses Ryota Niitsuma made when talking about why certain characters didn't make it into MVC3.
"We couldn't put Ghost Rider in because we couldn't fit his bike in!" then they went back on that lol
"We couldn't put Ghost Rider in because we couldn't fit his bike in!" then they went back on that lol
woopWOOP
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And since then we've had Sonic summoning stage springs :V
I'd like a retro newcomer to represent one of those Famicom visual novel games. I always thought both Donbe and Goku (not that one) could work and would look visually distinct, though apparently Ayumi was planned at some point for Melee? I have no idea how that would work and I'm ready for Sakurai to blow my mind
I'd like a retro newcomer to represent one of those Famicom visual novel games. I always thought both Donbe and Goku (not that one) could work and would look visually distinct, though apparently Ayumi was planned at some point for Melee? I have no idea how that would work and I'm ready for Sakurai to blow my mind
Niitsuma's reason for excluding Mega Man is still the most nonsensical thing I've ever read.
TheDinoman
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As sad as it may sound, Dr. Mario's probably the closest we'll ever get to a puzzle rep lol.
balladofwindfishes
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Pretty much. Unless a Tetris Block manages to get in.
Dr Mario is basically the mascot of Nintendo puzzle games.
MrSaturn99
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Wasn't it "not enough moves" or something along those lines?
What was he even trying to say?Ryota Niitsuma said:
I kinda wonder what they could do with retro characters from here on out.
Ryce's already mentioned this in the past but each retro character in Smash appears to seemingly represent their own aspect of Nintendo's past. Mr. Game & Watch represents the G&W line of handhelds, Ice Climbers represented old NES "Action Series" games like Urban Champion and Clu Clu Land, R.O.B represent the ROB peripheral and its associated "Robot Series" games, and Duck Hunt represent the NES Zapper and its associated "Light Gun Series" games.
So, who's next?
NES is too new... we need to go BACK !
I keep mentioning Hanafuda and L Tetrimino because if there is one Fighting game that can do a block of squares and some playing cards into actual fighters is Sakurai in smash bros
Mr Magician sticks it to ya!
http://blog.beforemario.com/2012/01/nintendo-mister-magician-coin-stick.html
http://blog.beforemario.com/2012/01/nintendo-mister-magician-coin-stick.html
TheDinoman
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The strange thing is, he basically considered Zero to be the Mega Man of that game, which hardly makes sense, especially considering they didn't go with the MMZ design.
Like, prior to MVC3, Niitsuma worked on TVC which had Megaman Volnutt AND Zero. So, did he think that game had two Mega Mans, then?
Red Arremer
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Ever since it was part of a fake leak, I've really warmed up to the idea of the kangaroo mascot that represented the Nintendo Minigame Series:
It's so outlandish and weird but also would be a really cool character to have in Smash. Kangaroos are awesome. Obviously it would need a bit of a redesign, but totally would be something Sakurai would pick for the retro addition; those seem to generally represent actual hardware, rather than games.
It's so outlandish and weird but also would be a really cool character to have in Smash. Kangaroos are awesome. Obviously it would need a bit of a redesign, but totally would be something Sakurai would pick for the retro addition; those seem to generally represent actual hardware, rather than games.
IntelliHeath
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I thought it was just a throwaway excuse for Ghost Rider since I'm pretty sure that they probably already had a plan for Ghost Rider to be one of those DLC characters.
Red Arremer
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Actually that's not true. He never said anything about Ghost Rider to my knowledge.
He mentioned that they couldn't do Human Torch because they couldn't animate the full on-fire body (and thus Skrull replaced him, which was a great choice imo).
And he also mentioned that they couldn't think of how to implement Silver Surfer because Surfer always is pretty much powerless without his surfboard, and they had difficulty making that work.
Always pictured it as an 8 bit baseball player, with alts. 8 bit would make it easy to make him unique and the moves not look too odd.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Red Arremer
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Ah, bad memory.
Though to be fair, they didn't implement his bike all that much anyway.
Though to be fair, they didn't implement his bike all that much anyway.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Ah, bad memory.
Though to be fair, they didn't implement his bike all that much anyway.
Yeah... At least, he's good scrub killer tho. Some people couldn't figure out how to fight against Ghost Rider for some reasons.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, I'm very satisfied with the roster right now and we still have two more DLC characters coming as well.
However I could see them topping Smash 4 if they didn't cut any characters and add more characters in next iteration.
Congrats! Indeed, it's truly a sight to behold. I always enjoy Smash 4 because it was pretty amazing.
balladofwindfishes
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Hey, Hyrule Warriors remembers that Molgera's Theme is a good song
Wish someone else would remember when that song used to be in his game.
Wish someone else would remember when that song used to be in his game.
I can't tell if I like this Toon Link voice or not
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I still wonder why Ice Climbers got in, really crappy NES game with shit physics and boring gameplay.
Triforce141
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Because Sakurai found a way to make the fighters unique and work in Smash.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Because they would able to provide an unique moveset for Smash Bros.
Regulus Tera
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Because the Ice Climbers are fun to play as.
Sakurai had an idea for a moveset involving two characters. That's it. He doesn't have ulterior motives behind his roster choices.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But you could get two-fer characters in other titles with two-player games!
TheDinoman
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He generally wanted a character to represent old NES action games.
GiantBreadbug
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Honestly people play up the duo aspect of Ice Climbers a tad too much. Yes, it is an important part of their appeal but so is the fact that they're ice-based fighters, and have a varied moveset outside of that duo mechanic. They have a sliding projectile, an interesting tether-like recovery (as of Brawl), a freezing move, and wield hammers (Dedede being the only other hammer user). Plus they represent the Famicom/NES in a meaningful way and just are part of an interesting universe.
That's why when people say a solo Ice Climber would be worthless I have to disagree. They are the only ice-based fighters, and the second hammer users. Plus they're just well designed and bring awesome stages and music along with them. I've been a huge IC fan since Melee and would be thrilled if they came back solo if for no other reason than just to have the series and character back in Smash.
But really Boss Doggie is kinda right. Their game isn't really fun. But that's why I think Sakurai is amazing. He can take a so-so character from an old shitty game and make an awesome character.
That's why when people say a solo Ice Climber would be worthless I have to disagree. They are the only ice-based fighters, and the second hammer users. Plus they're just well designed and bring awesome stages and music along with them. I've been a huge IC fan since Melee and would be thrilled if they came back solo if for no other reason than just to have the series and character back in Smash.
But really Boss Doggie is kinda right. Their game isn't really fun. But that's why I think Sakurai is amazing. He can take a so-so character from an old shitty game and make an awesome character.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah I'm just basing my feelings on Ice Climbers.
What a crappy game that only gets recognition from Smash.
What a crappy game that only gets recognition from Smash.
A part of me has thought a 3D platformer controlling both of them with similar humor to Banjo Kazooie would be an amazing place to take the series.
GiantBreadbug
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I always fantasized about this. A stylized Ice Climbers 3D platformer would be amazing if done correctly.
Maybe but I like the Pad for that better. (Maybe a split up button?)
Magnet_Man
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"I had fun once.... It was horrible."
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
he looks like he passed kidney stones
I hope Smash for NX happens, but I'd be totally fine with Sakurai making a god damn masterpiece out of an honestly kinda meh old Nintendo IP again instead.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I do kind of hope Smash 4 is remastered for NX for basically the same reason. It would be nice for this game to have its life extended in that way, and (assuming Sakurai absolutely sticks around for Smash in the future, which he very well may not), it would keep him from having to work on a new SSB for NX and would instead allow him to work on something new. After Kid Icarus: Uprising, I'm really excited to see what Sakurai will do (if anything) when he's not endlessly creating SSB sequels; I'm convinced he has some real masterpieces in him.
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