PadWarrior
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Smash Wii U & 3DS Downloadable Characters Discussion and Information on Smash Ballot
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Interesting i missed that thread
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Romanes Eunt Domus
Platinum games are overrated as fuck
The day a Platinum character makes it before a Treasure one is the day Sakurai dies to me.
The day a Platinum character makes it before a Treasure one is the day Sakurai dies to me.
Considering the only Treasure developed game owned by Nintendo is Sin & Punishment, and Saki is already an assist trophy, plus I see more people voting Wonder-Red (and Bayo) than Saki..
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The battle of the underachievers
NeonZ
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Fire Emblem Awakening is a million seller. Obviously it's not on the level of Nintendo's high tier franchises, but 3d Returns did barely better than it (1.5 vs 1.4 millions) and Tropical Freeze did much worse (although obviously the later is weighted down by the Wii U)
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And yet we're getting Lucas, who was hardly a fan favorite in Smash or outside it... I'm pretty sure that being easier to implement is weighting on the DLC choices. We probably will get a new comer too, but at this point I won't be surprised if most are veterans.
woopWOOP
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You forgot "too many FE characters already!", which I don't think really applies to bringing back veterans anyway (which is why I think Pichu still has a shot too).
Roy may be a Marth clone, but unlike Lucina his attacks have a lot of different properties (with a nice fire effect to boot). If the team went through the trouble of including Mario's old down B attack for Dr. Mario, I'm assuming Roy will keep the old shield buster motion. All this put together will make him a different enough character for the roster I think. I don't think a lot of people are keen on coughing up 5 bucks for clone characters, but Roy has his veteran status backing him up. So I think he makes a decent chance of becoming DLC, yeah.
jackissocool
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FE is definitely an up and coming franchise for Nintendo, which is funny considering how old it is. Thanks to Smash and Awakening, it's finally getting its due.
oh boy.... this is interesting
FE's current success is modest but undeniable; however I still doubt it'd lead to any further playable representation in Smash. Especially when the character in question is relatively unpopular both in Smash itself and his original series; and would lead to a third mostly unchanged iteration of the Marth moveset. Lucas is similarly obscure, but his greater popularity / more iconic status within his franchise, presence in Brawl (and presumably early production for 4) and much more unique moveset were likely contributing factors in his choice as a DLC veteran, alongside the ease of implementation you noted. I'm also of the mindset we'll mainly be seeing veterans, but Roy and Pichu probably won't be among them so long as Wolf and Ivysaur/Squirtle remain options.
Well, neither of them have an impressive track record. W101 and S&P's Smash representation far outweighs what trainwrecks like those deserve - they should have brought back stickers purely to mock them.
I assume you're talking about "trainwrecks" as in "sales disasters". The Wonderful 101's issues I get. Even in the final game, there's a lot to annoy action game fans. QTE-heavy boss battles, constant gameplay shifts, enemies that sometimes require specific tactics to defeat, etc.
But I have no idea how Sin & Punishment is a trainwreck unless you just weren't expecting a rail shooter. Or you somehow came into it for the plot.
What's wrong with that last one? Shouldn't that be a good thing for action games? You can't just have the same tactics again and again, it would get boring.
Also, the boss fights aren't that QTE heavy. Platinum are one of the only companies to get QTE right.
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This discussion makes me realise we DON'T have a true grappler in Smash after the Ice Climbers went our. And who better to take that position than Marina Lightyears?
Shake Shake motherfuckers
I'm assuming 'specific tactics' in this case means some enemies can only be dealt with in a limited manner, such as the spiked armour requiring Unite Whip, or the bomb being necessary to slow some enemies. It's not necessarily about requiring the player to change tactics, but arbitrarily limiting the sandbox of combat, which is always a thing that should be avoided in action games. It's telling that among the many, many transgressions of DmC, the colour-coded enemies were one of the most common complaints and one of the first known alterations in the rerelease.
I'd actually love that. But wouldn't Square-Enix own that IP right now?
You could probably say that the gameplay shifts were there to keep things from being repetitive, but a lot of people complain about them. People are primarily there to enjoy the battle system, experimenting with combos and such. Enemies like Megang can feel restrictive. Not necessarily for everybody, but for some people.
Maybe you did enjoy them. I didn't enjoy them at all. Again, it's something that takes you away from enjoying the battle system.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Is Popeye public domain?
edit People complaining about the final QTE of W101?!
edit People complaining about the final QTE of W101?!
Is that the only QTE in the game? I don't see where that was mentioned.
They're the best at what they do.
And what the do is very nice.
Let me introduce you to Ness and Diddy.
astarisborn94
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I never said that you shouldn't support AT or boss characters like Takamaru and Ridley; in fact I would encourage people to vote to show that you feel the character deserve a playable role over what they ended up getting so that it increases chance of consideration. But you really shouldn't get your hopes up for them to be DLC this game; you should be using this opportunity to build up a fan base for Smash 6. Remember that the Smash Ballot will have an impact there.Y'all need to quit it with this "not happening because AT" nonsense. The one time it's open ballot with no other qualification than "if they were in a [NIntendo?] video game", everyone wants to make arbitrary calls on what to vote for or not. Worst part is this is stunting the support that certain characters could get as a result.
Furthermore with that mentality, I wonder if anyone should get in bar obscurities like Mike Jones and Lip. What are you going to do about all those character trophies already in game?
I don't think Sakurai cares about over-representation of characters as much as we think. Remember that Kid Icarus, despite being a significantly less important franchise, has more characters than Donkey Kong, Metroid, and (at least until probably E3) Star Fox; all franchises that have been very significant in video games. Also it's worth noting that veterans have received huge support; Mewtwo and Lucas were the most wanted characters prior to their confirmation and I would say Wolf is probably the most wanted as well (the only reason why he's not absolutely destroying polls is because he's super obvious and many people are putting their votes towards someone who aren't such a sure thing). Roy, Snake, and Ice Climbers are also highly requested characters which goes to show how many people miss veterans. In comparison, the only consistently highly requested newcomers are King K. Rool, Isaac, and Banjo-Kazooie although I can certainly see Inklings up there. Others I feel are popular in one place but less wanted elsewhere (Wonder Red for one is popular in here, but less wanted elsewhere). It's also worth noting that veterans will take up much less work than newcomers, given how Mewtwo and Lucas are mostly the same, which puts veterans at an advantage for consideration.
I don't think Inklings will be added merely for glorified advertisement; there's no guarantees that the franchise will be a critical or commercially successful and if it were to bomb, I don't think NIntendo would want to believe that they wasted a spot on a character that could have gone to someone else. Rather I feel they are waiting to see how Splatoon does and then decide from there whenever or not they should be added so I don't think we will see them at E3 (or any newcomers for that matter). If they do well thought, I expect them to be the first DLC newcomer announced. But we'll see what happens.
I can't see Banjo-Kazooie being DLC at all. There is a really high opportunity cost when it comes to acquiring a first-party Microsoft character that is competing with Nintendo and it's simply much easier to add characters that are owned by Nintendo (or even third-parties). Spencer saying he's okay with Banjo being in Smash is almost certainly a publicity stunt and there's no indication Nintendo thinks the same as well. Plus Nintendo has bad relationships with the video game industry and we should be reminded they botched the chance to get Goldeneye 007 onto the Virtual Console.
Having said that, I'll probably be happy with whatever happens at this rate, so long as they don't pull a PR move and say "Chorus Kids was added because of the Smash Ballot" or something like that or otherwise put in ridiculous third-party suggestions.
Mewtwo's as much a grapple character as anyone else in Smash, at least in Melee. It may be changed for 4.
Interesting question. Let's see what Wikipedia says:
Interesting question. Let's see what Wikipedia says:
Wikipedia said:
I realized this marketing ploy is either going to end poorly, or fantastically.
If they only add say 3-6 characters, and put emphasis on some of the cut characters- I have a feeling you'll see a ton of disappointed fans.
If instead they see all these character requests, and continue support for Smash making it more of a platform itself-- Nintendo will win over fans. It'd be insane to see the game turn into a Rock Band like title with the ability to download your fave character as a fighter.
At that point, I'd welcome pretty much any character into the series.
If they only add say 3-6 characters, and put emphasis on some of the cut characters- I have a feeling you'll see a ton of disappointed fans.
If instead they see all these character requests, and continue support for Smash making it more of a platform itself-- Nintendo will win over fans. It'd be insane to see the game turn into a Rock Band like title with the ability to download your fave character as a fighter.
At that point, I'd welcome pretty much any character into the series.
Tbh, Banjo Kazooie is a cool retro character, and a '90s Nintendo icon and I think he deserves a spot on the roster. He may have not had a good game since he was on a Nintendo console, but the same could be said for Sonic.
Wonder Red is a character I want, because unless Nintendo starts funding sequels, I think it'll be similar to Earthbound on the SNES (long-lasting niche popularity) and I think the dlc is a perfect chance to try and shoehorn him into the series forever! I'd love to see him be as obscure and rad as Ness in ten years!
Wonder Red is a character I want, because unless Nintendo starts funding sequels, I think it'll be similar to Earthbound on the SNES (long-lasting niche popularity) and I think the dlc is a perfect chance to try and shoehorn him into the series forever! I'd love to see him be as obscure and rad as Ness in ten years!
The GoldenEye situation was pretty dumb. TBH
As the story went Rare, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Activision were all in on it and as the game neared completion Nintendo did a heelturn and canceled the whole thing. No idea what made it fall through since we never got the full story, most I've heard is that financial details couldn't be worked out. At least Perfect Dark got an XBLA release to make up for it.
As the story went Rare, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Activision were all in on it and as the game neared completion Nintendo did a heelturn and canceled the whole thing. No idea what made it fall through since we never got the full story, most I've heard is that financial details couldn't be worked out. At least Perfect Dark got an XBLA release to make up for it.
balladofwindfishes
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Vets can't be alt skins, and even if they could be, making him a skin versus making him a character is a meaningless change for some arbitrary "slots" nonsense. The amount of work to go from alt to character is so minimal it's silly to even humor making him an alt. Which he can't be anyway.
Roy actually seems to be getting as much attention as most new comers. He's seriously underrated on Neogaf for some reason, other communities he's at least in the top ten, sometimes higher.
One of the secret best picks ever but I don't know how that IP is handled at all.
Oh, whoops. Sounds like we're on the same page. I'm just getting a little wary of most discussion on the matter sounding like people making definitive statements on the subject where there are no real rules in place. Supporting folks like Takamaru is more about securing long run prospects than seeing something happen now, but it would certainly be neat to hear that it could happen after all. :lol
The Bankslammer
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square enix can't even be assed to put mischief makers on VC, i'm not sure if they even know they own it lol
PadWarrior
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I know it's not possible but I rather have subspace emissary dlc than a platinum character.
I'd love to have Smash Run on the WiiU version.
PadWarrior
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You know I think I'd be okay with this.
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I dig your style
ShockingAlberto
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It was mostly that Nintendo was getting the worst end of the stick on the deal. XBLA got a remake, Activision got a new game, Nintendo got a VC release of the old game. Until they got something better, they weren't willing to participate.
Still shitty, but reasonably so.
Boss Doggie
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No, but they're pretty much streamlined not to disrupt the flow and the only time it is treated as a cutscene action is the finale.
So in short, if Sakurai wants Popeye in, he has to ask the government for permission? Unless King Features still exist.
Smash Run was honestly a lot of fun and is still the best means of grinding customs. If they could get it going on Wii U with online, it'd be pretty swell.
Labrynian Rebel
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Why couldn't the 3DS get the dumb Smash Tour
Neoriceisgood
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The smash DLC I'd like most is new stages, N64 retro stages as my personal highest priority.
HD remake of Kirby's Fountain as personal dream DLC.
PadWarrior
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RomanceDawn
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Careful talkin' like that round these parts, lessin you want to get run out of town!
balladofwindfishes
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Sector Z, Peach's Castle, Rainbow Cruise, Green Greens, Frigate Orpheon and Pirate Ship could all work as 8 Player DLC.
Give Yoshi's Island Melee and Fountain of Dreams please.
Hyrule 64, Sector Z & Saffron City as well.
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The Smash DLC I'd like the most is
stage hazard toggle
You were one of the good guys, Kars
I can only conclude your account has been hacked by your dark doppelgänger... creatively named Dark Karsticles
Gonzo The Great
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N64:
- Peach's Castle
- Dream Land
- Saffron City
Melee:
- Yoshi's Story
- Fountain of Dreams
- Fourside
Brawl:
- Yoshi's Island
- WarioWare, Inc.
- Summit
balladofwindfishes
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This has to be coming. These stages already exist, even on the 3DS, but are only used for 8 Player Smash and All Star, and they keep adding more of them (looks like Boxing Ring and Wuhu Island are next for this).
I think rather than make people download all the maps all over again, they're slowly phasing in the hazard free versions over time so it isn't a massive download.
Neoriceisgood
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... Bro, no pirate ship?
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