Jest Chillin
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You right. Rakim's work while at Aftermath put him undebatably at the top of the game.
Oh wait...
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So, Drake is being accused of using ghost writers. Fuckery inside.
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You right. Rakim's work while at Aftermath put him undebatably at the top of the game.
Oh wait...
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Jpop
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I mean most big artists do. It's no secret.
block tower
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most pop rap artists do, most hiphop artists that respect themselves as an individual creator don't do actual ghost writing . most hiphop artists have dudes in their crew that are in the studio giving them nice one liners when they are first listening to the beat and smoking out to it, but they aren't straight taking reference tracks and full verses from ghost writers. in other genres they don't call them ghost writers cause people make great careers from writing hit songs for artists and producers but in hiphop that's not how the game works if you want to be considered a great artist as an individual .
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So now some throwaway tracks are "a lot"
I don't even know why you'd bring up Nas - we all know he's one of the GOAT lyricists and doesn't need a ghostwriter to prove it. Drake, as a rapper, is not near his skill level nor will he ever be.
Jest Chillin
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You seem to be confusing great artists with popular artists.
If you're a singer, you need to sing yourself. If you're a producer, you need to actually be crafting the beats. If you're a rapper, you need to be writing the bars you spit. There are plenty of acts that don't follow those tenets. For those acts, the goal is purely popular music. They're great acts and the songs may be good but calling them artists at all is beyond a stretch.
nothing in the music industry is authentic, this entire beef with Meek and Drake is a well crafted story line music execs put together to create a legacy. everything from the death of Tupac to the rise of singing rappers is just going according to plan
block tower
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so are you saying the illuminati got us all? pray for me fam 🙏🏽
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block tower
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Daylyt is a cool dude, had a great match against Madchild at Blackout 5 . Like I said before , even though I personally find Drake inauthentic , he puts lots of money into battle rap so I respect him for that, not many hiphop artists support battle rap like that. But that being said this songs soft, and I'm not sure if it's really directed as a diss track, guess we'll find out sooner or later though.
Wait, Drake isn't on that...
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Jest Chillin
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I don't even know how to respond to this.
Now I know what Drake was feeling hearing Funk Flex was clowning him on air. Well except I'm not embarrassed for me.
Discotheque
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I said it before and ill say it again, nicki minaj is meek mill's lady Macbeth. She has his dumb ass manipulated to throw shots at the 6god. Spreading her deceit. Meek is then destined to ultimately fail in the end
It's a Tim Cook ploy. So many people on my Twitter and Facebook today listening to Apple Radio for the first time for the OVO sound show.
travisbickle
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He's an actor, of course he has people write lines for him.
Gingerbread Fetus
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I thought this was always obvious and that nobody cared. I don't, because Drake clearly needs to hire better writers.
I mean, there had to be a reason that Started at the Bottom forgot the part about being on a TV show. Honestly, with this news that song comes off as written by a person who doesn't like Aubrey.
I mean, there had to be a reason that Started at the Bottom forgot the part about being on a TV show. Honestly, with this news that song comes off as written by a person who doesn't like Aubrey.
Well his mom was struggeling as a single mother so he gave all the TV money to her.
Gingerbread Fetus
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True enough,and thats a good thing, and I'm not questioning his character. He seems to be a pretty good person. But I'd hardly call his situation starting at the bottom. It's Branding.
Look at some other, albeit older rappers. Biggie was dealing crack at twelve, Drake was playing hockey.
It seems most contemporary rappers think I care more about where they came from than what they're doing.
formasymphonic
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I don't really wanna de-rail (and i'm not accusing you specifically of this), but I have always felt that this concept is part of a problem in hiphop. No acceptance of being authentic unless your life is like this. A lack of respect for many artists whose life wasn't as far in the gutter as can be.
I mean we all love to see underdogs succeed and show that its possible but I always never liked that you couldn't come from a more moderate background and be truly accepted. A large part of the community will always eventually want to tear you down for it.
Hip Hop
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They way it works for me is, Hip-Hop is a very "out there" form of expression. When people get busy on the mic, being an authority figure plays a big part in it. For me, if I'm gonna take you seriously in the way you talk about yourself and other things in your raps, with authority, you gotta show me where that authority comes from. You can't be talking that talk to me and just be some random dude that has never been through anything. Hip-Hop is very braggadocious. So if you're gonna be talking like you're the man, being boastful about things, show me why.
Where did your authority come from all of a sudden then? Why are you acting hard?Do you have a reason to be acting like this?
Dudes that come from the bottom, from gangs, from poverty, other struggles, that shows me that you've been through stuff that can make you a "harder" person. You've been tested. You have a reason to talk with authority.
It's the fastest way to determine, with these "metrics".
Of course, this doesn't apply to all rappers/people, and this is not the "go to test" for that. There could very well be other reasons you become a "harder" person and that's fine. And you may not even be acting like the man in your raps, and that's fine as well.
Hip-Hop roots and foundation started in the projects, where being the man, the tough guy, has always been the thing. So it's no surprise it still plays a part of the genre today.
formasymphonic
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Yeh I know where it comes from and why it happens. My point was more about how much sway those sentiments have and how we we respond to artists as a result of it. It means we end up pushing artist who aren't that (and maybe want to rap about other things) down while raising those who conform to it up.
Without wanting to go full sociopolitical, I just wanna say that it feels like it creates a negative feedback loop where instead of pointing out how bad it is to have to come from that kind of background, we are instead effectively celebrating/glorifying it. We end up breeding a culture of "you need to be doing these things to be respected by your peers" and tbh I think there are enough social pressures for that already.
Anyways back to Drake + Meek...
Mexen
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Oh man, I feel so out of place. I don't know Meek Mill at all (or that's he's dating Nicki Minaj???) and I probably know only 3 Drake songs- him being a younger version of his father, that bottom one and the first part to a song my friend loops (something about the police asking questions). ( ._.)
*plays Tetsuo & Youth*
*plays Tetsuo & Youth*
Heavy's Sandvich
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Meek is Drake level sensitive.
No one cares who's the realest/keeping it 100
No one cares who's the realest/keeping it 100
I feel like in broad strokes Othello or Much Ado About Nothing work better. Of course for Othello Minaj is both Desdemona and Iago.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Not surprised at this. This is something that has been going on in rap for while.
He needs to pick a better ghost writer because Drake has been straight up garbage tier for a while now.
He needs to pick a better ghost writer because Drake has been straight up garbage tier for a while now.
Doesn't surprise me since none of his raps seem genuine coming from him. Coming from the bottom and rapping like you're hard. When you come from a decent upbringing, had a good career going before rap, and outside of rap wouldn't even hurt a fly. It never made sense to me why those lyrics were coming from him. Now it makes sense.
I think the opposite. People who don't understand why this would be a big deal in a genre that is basically lyrical competition, especially when the rapper in question can't go a verse without referencing this exact competition and his place at the top, has entire verses written for him and why the implications would have such a big effect on the rankings, then you just don't understand how the hip hop fandom works. I know very well how commercial music works.
In Hip-Hop the only skill you mainly need is your lyrics and your flow. You don't need know how to read music or anything like that. So if you can't write your on music that's just sad man. You can't say you best in the game, when someone else has your pen. That's for any rapper.
Some of yall are crazy to think that Drake has a ghost writer. And lol@people taking shots at the boy and his work. The guy is surpassing any and everyone past and present in the game.
In any event, meek already released what looks like an apology on his tumblr.
Drake released Charged Up as a heads up to meek already. Kinda giving him a chance to.back down but also telling him what's up.
In any event, meek already released what looks like an apology on his tumblr.
Drake released Charged Up as a heads up to meek already. Kinda giving him a chance to.back down but also telling him what's up.
I'm not saying he has ghost writer, but he's body of work doesn't hold a candle to Jay,Nas, Kanye etc..... He is great for his Gen tho
Pretty sure that isn't the point.
Yes it does
Rollo Tomasi
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Please elaborate?
He kills those people lol. Oh my.
Noooo. TML, Take Care, NWTS do not compare to
Reasonable Doubt, College Dropout, Illmatic, All Eyez on Me etc...
I really like Drake, but he doesn't have one classic under his belt. TML sounds really outdated do to Drake just becoming better. Take Care his best album is great, but not timeless. NWTS is a okay album with some good tracks.
Stop it plz stop it.
Jest Chillin
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Rakim's album was shelved at Aftermath permanently because they had "creative differences" because they wanted him to rap about content that he didn't want to rap about. Which means that them "handing him bars" means absolutely jack because he didn't so much as put out one single under that label.
So if the point of mentioning Rakim, specifically, was because of his clout and past... well he had the integrity not to do what that poster was saying "everyone" does.
And Rakim's most celebrated material was when he was group with Eric B and those are all his bars. So again.. there's really no point in even mentioning the one label trying to give him bars because he's never accepted other persons bars on his work.
Wow.. I really don't know what to say now. I hope y'all are young because at least then I can chalk it up to lack of listening at least. Otherwise.. I mean.. wow.
Being young is not excuse. I'm 21 and I know the greatness that is Jay-Z, Big L, OutKast etc... I know they would Rap circles around Drake.
No it isnt
CassidyIzABeast
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Outside of being entertained by the fuckery of it all, I really aint interested in a back and forward between these two. Meek couldn't even dirt nap a way post prime Cassidy so I know his diss aint gonna be hot like that.
The only thing Drake could say about meek is he fucked Nicki and we know he aint gonna say that because he's cool with Nicki. He can't act tough because we know he's not doing nothing.
Flex will put out those other reference tracks and that should be the end of it. These dudes are gonna be in a photo together on twitter or instagram with a caption that says, "Let's get this money! MMG x OVO" or some shit in near future anyway.
The only thing Drake could say about meek is he fucked Nicki and we know he aint gonna say that because he's cool with Nicki. He can't act tough because we know he's not doing nothing.
Flex will put out those other reference tracks and that should be the end of it. These dudes are gonna be in a photo together on twitter or instagram with a caption that says, "Let's get this money! MMG x OVO" or some shit in near future anyway.
lol really.
But man 50 was on a mission, I he even came at Nas, Kiss, Fat Joe for just being on a song with him. He killed his career.
Jest Chillin
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No. 50's Net Worth dwarfs Ja's. The vast majority of it invested though so he's filing Chapter 11 to be given the ability to rearrange his finances and turn more of those assests liquid.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Then 50 got shredded by D-Block.
I Listened to it and honestly? Nothing special at all. Pretty cut and dry rags to riches song.
Plenty of dudes have done it better.
And I love how he goes back to his typical flow half-way through, awful.
Drake for sure isn't even top 15 on any list I have, but most of his early work still holds up for me.
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