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So, Drake is being accused of using ghost writers. Fuckery inside.

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abuC

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breadtruck said:
Wait, since when do artists today write their own stuff?

I guess that explains why Nicki Minaj is only capable of trash.
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It's expected that the top tier rappers write their own stuff, and most importantly do not use reference tracks.

People who aren't up on hip hop are really missing the point of how damning the reference tracks are, those are usually reserved for weak rappers or producers. You'll never hear about Kendrick, Nas, Eminem, 2pac, Biggie, Rakim, Jay-Z, Andre3000 needing reference tracks, those guys made reference tracks for other rappers.
 
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Big Baybee said:
Thats not what the vast majority of his music is like, though. Anyway, pretty much all rappers are fake as shit.
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The point is that he doesn't need to do that. Just like he doesn't need to have bars about being greater than everyone else. Plenty of artists do just fine without writing material like that.. but if you're going to make those kinds of claims, there's a certain expectation that comes along with it. If you're not meeting those expectations then you're going to create a cognitive dissonance and at the level of exposure that he's been at, people will notice and a lot are going to make it point to call you out on it.

Up until this point, people could only really make jokes about his acting hard. But dudes bars are high enough quality that combined with the sheer amount of hit records, it can't really be argued that he's not Top 2 or 3 (depending on the person) right now and on a pace where longevity could place his name in GOAT conversations.

If it turns out that he's not writing a decent amount of his bars though.. then that GOAT stuff goes right out the window. He'll still make hit records and sell well and have a successful career but the legacy beyond sales numbers is tarnished.
 
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Jest Chillin said:
The point is that he doesn't need to do that. Just like he doesn't need to have bars about being greater than everyone else. Plenty of artists do just fine without writing material like that.. but if you're going to make those kinds of claims, there's a certain expectation that comes along with it. If you're not meeting those expectations then you're going to create a cognitive dissonance and at the level of exposure that he's been at, people will notice and a lot are going to make it point to call you out on it.

Up until this point, people could only really make jokes about his acting hard. But dudes bars are high enough quality that combined with the sheer amount of hit records, it can't really be argued that he's not Top 2 or 3 (depending on the person) right now and on a pace where longevity could place his name in GOAT conversations.

If it turns out that he's not writing a decent amount of his bars though.. then that GOAT stuff goes right out the window. He'll still make hit records and sell well and have a successful career but the legacy beyond sales numbers is tarnished.
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Exactly, how are you going to keep saying you're the best in the game, then get a ghostwriter and reference track to lay a verse on someone else album lol.
 
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For non-rap or casual rap fans... writing your own rhymes is a big deal in rap compared to other genres of music.

IMO This takes Drake out of the GOAT conversation. He can continue to make good music but this is a very corny revelation.
 
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DJMicLuv

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You'd have to be desperate to use a ghost writer. For a start there's no evidence they actually exist and even if they do what do they use to contact them? Ouija boards?
It's madness.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Fjordson said:
He didn't play anything new. Wasted like a half hour listening to his trash mix.

He's either bullshitting or is milking this shit for ratings and saving them until next week.
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The way he was instigating all the angry listeners/twitter followers though.. I can't imagine the fallout if he's straight up lying.

Could it be possible that the Station's higher ups killed his plans?
 
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Ocelott said:
Beat is weak as hell but the lyrics are on point
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Nah beat was good but Drake just threw out some jabs. I expected something a bit more vicious. He didn't really expose Meek or say much that is noteworthy.

His stans are about to hype this diss track as the greatest of all time but again it's pretty weak. I give him props for going into the booth though instead of engaging in a twitter war.
 
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And?

What's the problem?

Ghostwriters are common in many kinds of media--books, comedy, screenwriting.

Big whoop.

Also Drake is a pop star at this point anyways.
 
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It's not like he even called it a diss track. People started to label it that, but really its just Drake telling the truth.
 
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Fjordson said:
The one verse we heard was wack as hell compared to Drake's version and was in no way on par with the final result. Really hard for me to jump from that to the idea that he's doing a bunch of tracks on the low or that his input is even half as substantial as Drake's. And he was also credited, so again, not a ghostwriter.

But even I'm saying this isn't like some irrefutable evidence. Maybe Drake is paying him extra to keep things locked up. What the hell do I know, I wasn't in the studio. Just sayin' that I don't personally believe that. If you do, then that's fine. You could be right.
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do you not understand what ghost writing and reference tracks are? Why in the hell would Drake need to have someone like Quentin Miller do a reference track for cadence if Drake wrote the verse? What sort of rapper writes lyrics to a beat but then has no idea how the flow goes.. I'm not trying to be rude but I really feel like you don't have much knowledge of hiphop and your sort of stanning for Drake. I like Drake too but you have to just enjoy certain artists for what they are. a lot of Drake career and music never come of as sincere and I feel like this revelation of a ghost writer or "creditor" Quentin Millet sort of proves it, especially with the combination of the reference track and Meek Mill going after Drake for it, even if Meek Mill a hoe for exposing Drake and Miller like that. You keep saying we don't know the whole situation but many people myself included follow hiphop long enough to understand how these things work. I'm not buying that Miller did a reference track for lyrics Drake supposedly wrote but couldn't figure out how to flow, that explanation makes absolutely zero sense. Drake is going to remain quite in hopes this dies down , not because he's "above" the industry and petty beef like this.
 
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block tower said:
I feel like this revelation of a ghost writer or "creditor" Quentin Millet sort of proves it
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And that's fine. I have zero interest in changing your mind, merely been posting my opinion on what may have happened based on what I know right now, just like everyone else in here (since none of us really knows jack shit about it). If you disagree, then more power to you breh.
 
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TheTurboFD said:
Yea at least we can tell he's the one who wrote the song this time lol
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That or Quentin just made addendums to a throwaway after hearing Slaughterhouse talk about 5k a month being too low a payment.


The song is below par for Drake. Probably should've used a different beat and used this one for subject matter that was a bit more in his crooning lane. Most of the bars are pretty generic overall and I didn't catch a single stand out line, when his songs usually have 2 or 3 at least.
 
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Drake said a whole lot of nothing while Meek will have people checking his credits for "Q. Miller" and any other unknown contributor names for the rest of his career.

Advantage Meek
 
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YoungHav said:
For non-rap or casual rap fans... writing your own rhymes is a big deal in rap compared to other genres of music.

IMO This takes Drake out of the GOAT conversation. He can continue to make good music but this is a very corny revelation.
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He was never in the GOAT conversation to begin with
 
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That shit from Drake was lightweight.

But if it's purpose is to drawing Meek into escalating this, it'll probably be effective.

Cats are already on Twitter riding with Drake off the strength of this weak ass track, you know MM is going to come out blazing on his next record.
 
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YoungHav said:
According to my 18 and 19yr old cousins, yeah. They were met with an obnoxious dehumanizing laugh from me when they said it.
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As they should be . Niggas are actin like Drakes been writing deep lyrics or something. His verses talk about money, drugs, fame and women, just in a simpier, trendier and catchier way than the average nigga rapping about those things , including rappers like Meek. But to me you don't qualify for GOAT status, even for your class, until you start putting out real verses talking about some real shit. Hell imo Drakes class of hiphop hasn't really put much out to touch dudes like Mick Jenkins, Big Krit, Pharaoh Monch, etc. in terms of lyrical content let alone rappers from olde classes like easy 00's , 90's, and 80's hiphop.
 
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block tower said:
As they should be . Niggas are actin like Drakes been writing deep lyrics or something. His verses talk about money, drugs, fame and women, just in a simpier, trendier and catchier way than the average nigga rapping about those things , including rappers like Meek. But to me you don't qualify for GOAT status, even for your class, until you start putting out real verses talking about some real shit. Hell imo Drakes class of hiphop hasn't really put much out to touch dudes like Mick Jenkins, Big Krit, Pharaoh Monch, etc. in terms of lyrical content let alone rappers from olde classes like easy 00's , 90's, and 80's hiphop.
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Which makes using a writer silly. How hard can it be to write hedonistic brag raps? I used to dabble in rapping goofin off with my boys... writing rhymes and trying to outdo each other was a fun part of the process. I never understood just showing up to the studio, being handed lyrics, and rapping. Hahaha how can we take any potential diss song seriously when he probably won't even write it himself? What a clown.
 
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