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Sonic Lost World Review Thread [Embargo Ends: Oct. 18th, 4:00 AM EDT]
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some people like that mang.
Another bad Sonic game?
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
He could be referring to the fact that Sonic 4 was successful financially. And, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Episode 2 pretty much a step in the right direction in almost every facet compared to Episode 1? Despite being lambasted in reviews compared to the first game..
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This.
Also Sonic 2 should of ended at metropolis zone.
And I think its fucking shit. Want mario? Play fucking mario. Even Sonic 06 is still a uniquely Sonic game. Some of these levels look like sonic was just modded in.
AwakenedCloud
Member
Sonic 2 was too long for its own good. I agree that the front half is better, but it would've been much less noticeable if the game didn't start to drag on. The ideal scenario would've been splitting the game down the middle and adding 2 zones to each end.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
I personally don't think so. Episode 1 was uninspired as hell, but I hated the ridiculously long bosses and forced tag segments in Episode 2.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Even Sonic '06?
Guess I'm not getting a Wii-U this year anymore, can't justify it for this title alone. Really unsure whether I'd dig this game or not, guess I'll see for myself whenever I pick the system up for Smash . . .
Play Magazine can burn in hell, they gave me hope.
Play Magazine can burn in hell, they gave me hope.
The Mana Legend
Banned
I think that video just shown looked great, and made me excited for it.
I mean yeah, there's some really odd level design (what the hell is up with those boost pads? One set of them literally just shoots you into an invisible wall), but I think it looks great overall.
I am a big fan of Sonic, and slowing down the game I have no problem with at all.
I mean yeah, there's some really odd level design (what the hell is up with those boost pads? One set of them literally just shoots you into an invisible wall), but I think it looks great overall.
I am a big fan of Sonic, and slowing down the game I have no problem with at all.
Shadow Hog
Member
Well, at least one reviewer was wrong about that game, yeah. Forget his name, but he gave the 360 version a 9.5 or some inflated score like that, only to change his tune suddenly for the PS3 one (which got a still-unreasonable score of 6 or so), claiming he was told "oh, we'll fix all those glitches before launch" and felt betrayed that they weren't.
Having finished these levels I can safely say that these were some of the most fun things I've experienced during my time with the game. It does feel a bit more like a Mario game but it's those segments that make it the most obvious where the game shines a bit more, and I still feel like the decent speed and moveset makes it relatively exhilarating. The first act in particular has a shit ton of alternate paths to explore and the second one is a really nice breather act.
Is it more like Mario? No doubt. But it's mostly just these levels and to be honest it doesn't stop them from playing really great. If you like both franchises I think there's a lot of fun to find in here.
yes. sonic 06 is definitely uniquely a sonic game.
Well honestly it doesn't hold up nearly as well as 2 and 3&Knuckles.
Coffee Dog
Banned
hahahaha. oh jeez.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
All reviews posted in the thread should be in the OP now.
For anyone interested here is the tally of reviews from the opening post.
Wii U
Favorable total from scores out of 10 and out of 5 or worded ("good") = 26 reviews
Of that there are only 4 6's while everything else is a 7 or better or the equivalent on the 5 scale.
Negative scores out of 10 or 5 = 12 reviews
3DS
Favorable = 4 reviews
Negative = 4 reviews
There clearly seem to be more favorable then unfavorable. So perhaps the talk about it being a bad game or that you're disappointed, etc needs to stop. Especially when some of the negative reviews are questionable in their reasonings.
Wii U
Favorable total from scores out of 10 and out of 5 or worded ("good") = 26 reviews
Of that there are only 4 6's while everything else is a 7 or better or the equivalent on the 5 scale.
Negative scores out of 10 or 5 = 12 reviews
3DS
Favorable = 4 reviews
Negative = 4 reviews
There clearly seem to be more favorable then unfavorable. So perhaps the talk about it being a bad game or that you're disappointed, etc needs to stop. Especially when some of the negative reviews are questionable in their reasonings.
Spieler Eins
Member
Wait, so you're saying that the game that looks like it's technically a generation behind the previous PS360 title and uses experimental gameplay by a dev like Sonic Team actually turned out bad? I am shocked!
No idea where the hype for this thing ever came from. Felt like leftovers Sega wanted to get rid off through Nintendo since the first trailer, so I hope they are still doing a proper sequel to Generations/Colours. These were the first decent attempts after what felt like a decade of bad Sonic games, so they shall be forgiven if they stick with that formula a little longer and go back to their usual production values.
No idea where the hype for this thing ever came from. Felt like leftovers Sega wanted to get rid off through Nintendo since the first trailer, so I hope they are still doing a proper sequel to Generations/Colours. These were the first decent attempts after what felt like a decade of bad Sonic games, so they shall be forgiven if they stick with that formula a little longer and go back to their usual production values.
What the shit are you talking about?
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Jim Sterling's review is really one of the best one's out there.
And this is from the man who hated Colors.
Seems like the lower scores tend to be from reviewers who just couldn't grasp the new controls and didn't like the difficulty while the higher score reviewers got the hang of it and admired the game's level designs.
JimSterling said:
And this is from the man who hated Colors.
Seems like the lower scores tend to be from reviewers who just couldn't grasp the new controls and didn't like the difficulty while the higher score reviewers got the hang of it and admired the game's level designs.
DarkCronos
Member
Lost World is way better than Generation/Colours, and in many ways feels the natural evolution of Colours formula
Labyrinth Zone sucked.
But Sonic 1 is still really good. Fun fact, people like to say you can beat Sonic levels by just holding forward and jumping. Which was a common criticism among people who don't like Sonic. Yet the very 2nd Zone in Sonic 1 proves that you can't. Which is why Marble Zone will always have a place in my heart. Green Hill Zone is an extremely iconic stage, but the game gets far more interesting after that.
But Sonic 1 is still really good. Fun fact, people like to say you can beat Sonic levels by just holding forward and jumping. Which was a common criticism among people who don't like Sonic. Yet the very 2nd Zone in Sonic 1 proves that you can't. Which is why Marble Zone will always have a place in my heart. Green Hill Zone is an extremely iconic stage, but the game gets far more interesting after that.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, Sonic 1 is very inconsistent. Almost like they weren't sure whether they wanted to make a speedy game or a pure platforming game, and wound up alternating between both. Sonic 2 and 3&K, for the most part, have a pretty clear pace.
Yep, the overall length is a problem. I'm usually burnt out by the time I reach Mystic Cave or Oil Ocean. An easy solution to this would have been to add a save system, as well as cut one of Metropolis Zone's three acts.
The 1st is my favorite. >:|
Consistently good stage design and the best art and music.
Yup.
There was more inconsistency in Sonic 2 than any other of them imo (although it's highs are arguably the highest). The inclusion of the spindash made some parts of the levels kinda funny. Sonic 3 is my favorite and it felt like they finally found a way to make the spindash work in most of its levels (they found a nice balance between 1 and 2 and had more interesting levels), but Sonic 1 had the best platforming in the series. Just the way it felt and played was good. Dat jump.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Sonic 1 is amazing....love that game. Only Sonic 3 & Knuckles is better, in my opinion.
Arc Christelle
Member
I agree with ThoughtsofSpeaking, it bugs the hell out of me that people seem to want Sonic to become more like Mario in terms of gameplay and platforming elements.
Bothers me that there's people defending Sonic's new slower speed. His damn name is Sonic.
Dang, the variance on these reviews is absurd. 9's, 2's, 7's, and none of them seem to be an aberration.
Though honestly it doesn't matter much to me, I don't pay much attention to reviews anymore. Unless something's outright broken, whether you enjoy a game or not is mostly a matter of preference.
Still, sheesh!!
Though honestly it doesn't matter much to me, I don't pay much attention to reviews anymore. Unless something's outright broken, whether you enjoy a game or not is mostly a matter of preference.
Still, sheesh!!
weevles
Member
Interesting. I'm going to err on the side of positive. I'm open to whatever new things Lost World wants to show me, so I think I will probably like this. I have always thought that Sonic was a great character in an over-hyped game, so I don't have much to lose in giving this a go.
Secret Fawful
Member
Yeah, Sonic wasn't that fast in the originals, and whenever his speed is overblown player control suffers. People generally tend to have an over the top idea about just how fast Sonic is supposed to be; I'm glad these designers finally understood that he needs to slow down just a bit.
Sonic was nowhere near as fast in the classics as he is in the boost trilogy. Having more control in the Genesis games allowed for better level design where the speed was either set pieces or a momentary feeling of exhilaration once you masterfully cross an area. Even if speed was what Sonic was marketed with, that's not the sole reason why the games were good.
With Unleashed they turned that speed dial to 11 and made that what the entire fucking game is based around, with a formula that has remotely nothing to do with his roots where momentum was earned through clever designs.
Admittedly, Lost World could afford to be faster than it is, and it also has a formula not very rooted in it's original design ideology. But frankly there is a point when a game becomes too fast to have any sort of depth to it. The faster a game is the more details you have to sacrifice in design. Lost World has it's problems, and speed is not one of them.
I like the boost gameplay myself, Generations is simply a blast. This game does look slow to me, more like a Mario game, might just not be a game that appeals to me. Hell, Sonic 1 is easily my least favorite of the originals, because it's slower and more platforming heavy.
TheCongressman1
Member
I don't like that people equate 'fast' to speeds that are almost beyond playability. Sonic isn't about that. There's a reason the boost trilogy is filled with long hallways and stretches. You can still go fast in this game. However, what is undefendable is taking away the physics that made him so different.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Interesting quote from Destructoid's review:
The original is even better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVI6Agm1-kY
But i played the demo and found it to be very fun and good. Had no problems with the controls or anything like that. Can't say for the rest of the game, but i think Sega missed not making the demo available on other places. It's really good.
Come on Tom, it's Dimps! D:
but....after these reviews and jarring opinions it really intrigues me about how this game plays (where's the demo dammit?) so I'm gonna pick it up sometime within the next month or 2.
Neff
Member
A poor game will struggle to get 9s and 8s, and SLW has quite a few. Sonic Lost World isn't a bad game by any stretch. Honestly, I'd write off the 6s and 5s as indicative of the game unapologetically offering old-school challenge, in addition to the palpable journalistic snubbing of Nintendo's current antithesis of in vogue.
This is the game, more than any of late, that has shown to me that any kind of defeat or penalty is an affront to the modern player's fragile, impatient, unskilled ego.
It's actually really fucking good.
This is the game, more than any of late, that has shown to me that any kind of defeat or penalty is an affront to the modern player's fragile, impatient, unskilled ego.
It's actually really fucking good.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
PeakPointMatrix
Member
What the hellllll at some of these comments.
You gotta point me to these iOS games, I've obviously been missing out.
The music sounds godly by the way, I'm so happy each act gets it's own theme.
March of the Crabs
Member
I find it odd everyone wants Sega to not make Sonic go so fast, so they slow him down and people complain he's too slow. Reminds me of that Miyamoto and Zelda meme.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Btw, most of the complaints I've been reading about in the reviews seem to be the same as the ones I found in Colors on the Wii (apart from the stingy lives). Why was Colors highly regarded again? I personally played about 3-4 worlds of Colors and hated it. Or was the DS version the one everyone liked? I did play the first level of Sonic LW on the 3DS and liked that, and also liked the bee level I played on the Wii U version. I'm wondering whether these were some of the better levels or something...
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I'll just wait until I actually play the game before passing any real judgement; from what I've seen so far, it's beautiful, the art direction's incredible, dialog actually engaging, and levels look like they can offer a lot exploration (at least ones like Windy Hill Zone 1).
I stopped paying attention to "professional" reviews a long time ago; most Youtube reviews and LPers of the game have been far more balanced in how they look @ it so I'd rather take them @ their word.
I stopped paying attention to "professional" reviews a long time ago; most Youtube reviews and LPers of the game have been far more balanced in how they look @ it so I'd rather take them @ their word.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Everyone? I want Sega to make him even faster! It's just the vocal Classic Sonic fans (though I'm a classic Sonic fan, too, but not exclusively; Sonic 2 is one of my favourite games ever though) - who cannot be satisfied either way anyway. Other than remaking the exact first Sonic game, this group of fan couldn't be satisfied with anything. With Lost World, they should, though.
Colors followed up on the Unleashed game play (even if it was slowed down quite a lot with not many opportunities of boosting) and was a relatively straightforward platformer without any crazy gimmicks or things to shake things up with. It was also an incredibly easy game. Design-wise there are only shades of Colors' design philosophy in Lost World, mostly the few-and-inbetween moments with the Wisps.
As for why these negatives are being pointed out here, Lost World its not only doing a new playstyle which is a bit awkward at first, there's a bit of a dip in quality design-wise mostly apparent in the later half of the game. It starts off really good after you get used to it, goes into some hiccups during the middle and ends up really frustrating near the end. The consensus I'm seeing is that it's a solid but flawed game.
For what it's worth, Jim Sterling, who trashed Colors and gave it the lowest review on record, gave this game a rather good score, so maybe you'll find something in the game to relate to.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
You know what makes me laugh in this thread? People who on one hand dismiss the boost trilogy by saying that the games were cheap and it was very easy to die if you didnt memorise a level, indicating they have execution problems.
But then in the same breath bemoaning reviewers unwillingness to learn controls and step up to the "old school challenge" of clunky gameplay.
The hypocrisy is blatant and dripping. If you take time to actually learn how to play the boost games, especially unleashed, its an adrenaline ride that very few games can reach. It never has been simply push forward and press boost, infact that will get you killed very quickly on the later levels. Maybe thats what makes it "cheap".
To play the the boost trilogy properly you have to blend ring and boost bar management with drifting, lightspeed dashing, quickstepping, jumping, boosting, timing, execution and knowledge of the level. You have to be able to type the QTE's as soon as you see them and almost every turn there is something that can break your boost run.
This is not something you can do the first time you play and you have to die and restart levels alot before you get to that level of proficiency that you can comfortably say you "get" a level.
Even if you dont speed run, that is the depth in the boost games.
So stop complaining about the previous games having no depth. They most certainly do. And stop complaining about reviewers not wanting to invest time into games to grow skillsets, because if the feel its worth it they will.
Ultimately this thread is full of people who are upset that reviewers dont want to invest as much time and effort in the same skillset that they are most inclined to and excell at.
Its got nothing to do with bad reviews. As an action fan I can see exactly why TW101 got mixed reviews too. It was simply too obtuse for its own good. Its also the reason why I still havent bought it. I simply dont have the time to learn that combat system and its bells and whistles atm.
Back to sonic, Its also the reason you dont mind a franchise being butchered to be like more like a franchise you enjoy.
Stop the bullshit.
But then in the same breath bemoaning reviewers unwillingness to learn controls and step up to the "old school challenge" of clunky gameplay.
The hypocrisy is blatant and dripping. If you take time to actually learn how to play the boost games, especially unleashed, its an adrenaline ride that very few games can reach. It never has been simply push forward and press boost, infact that will get you killed very quickly on the later levels. Maybe thats what makes it "cheap".
To play the the boost trilogy properly you have to blend ring and boost bar management with drifting, lightspeed dashing, quickstepping, jumping, boosting, timing, execution and knowledge of the level. You have to be able to type the QTE's as soon as you see them and almost every turn there is something that can break your boost run.
This is not something you can do the first time you play and you have to die and restart levels alot before you get to that level of proficiency that you can comfortably say you "get" a level.
Even if you dont speed run, that is the depth in the boost games.
So stop complaining about the previous games having no depth. They most certainly do. And stop complaining about reviewers not wanting to invest time into games to grow skillsets, because if the feel its worth it they will.
Ultimately this thread is full of people who are upset that reviewers dont want to invest as much time and effort in the same skillset that they are most inclined to and excell at.
Its got nothing to do with bad reviews. As an action fan I can see exactly why TW101 got mixed reviews too. It was simply too obtuse for its own good. Its also the reason why I still havent bought it. I simply dont have the time to learn that combat system and its bells and whistles atm.
Back to sonic, Its also the reason you dont mind a franchise being butchered to be like more like a franchise you enjoy.
Stop the bullshit.
Two completely different groups of people.