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Sonic the Hedgehog Community Thread: Green Hills and Laughing Iizukas
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Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
It doesn't help that Sega said that they may not use Classic Sonic again.
Sonic's fanbase suffers from what Final Fantasy's fanbase suffers from: there is a huge division within the fanbase and it's impossible to appease all sides of the equation because Sega's done so much with the series that there are fans of various aspects of it now. They tried to fix it with Generations, but I don't think it worked that well at all.
Sonic's fanbase suffers from what Final Fantasy's fanbase suffers from: there is a huge division within the fanbase and it's impossible to appease all sides of the equation because Sega's done so much with the series that there are fans of various aspects of it now. They tried to fix it with Generations, but I don't think it worked that well at all.
Get the Generations team to do it. I think that they could do marvelous things, given a proper budget.
2D Generations was some real good stuff. A full game with that, with more focus and good original stage ideas, will make me very happy.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Though it might have existed before this issue. I remember first seeing it alongside a blurb about Capcom developing games for the Genesis in an issue of Sega Visions (at least... I think it was Sega Visions). Which is probably where that un-obscured version came from.
lol wut?
I do remember there being a big deal about Capcom developing a remake/port of MM1-3 for the Genesis/Mega Drive. It was never made available at retail in the U.S., players could only play that game through the Sega Channel online service if I recall correctly.
The complaints of the more recent Sonic games being too automatic are absolutely right. I mean, look at this shit!
EDIT: HOLY SHIT, MINDBLOW MOMENT
Another at 1:46
I could keep updating this post with videos but I'll just end it with this. Holy shit.
EDIT: HOLY SHIT, MINDBLOW MOMENT
Another at 1:46
I could keep updating this post with videos but I'll just end it with this. Holy shit.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
I feel smart 'cause I knew that was there. I think its specifically out there because you can mess up and end up running across the water and there's no way to get back up again. I know that's how I ended up finding it.
What I didn't know was this shortcut in Skyscraper Scamper. That enemy is hidden so far off screen to the left that in all the years I've played Sonic Unleashed I never knew it was there and I had to boot up my copy just to double check. It literally shaves off like 4-5 seconds, which is kind of a lot.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Funnily enough I did know about that shortcut in Skyscraper Scamper and I don't even particularly like Unleashed nor play much. Though that does remind me; has anybody tried dicking around with the 3DS ROM and porting over the 3DS specific stages to the PC version? I'm sure a lot of the graphics in places like Casino Night could even just be recreated with what we already have in the pinball minigame.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Hauuuugh I just got around to watching this
I wonder if one of them reads this thread
DeVeAn
Member
I didn't pay this thread much attention because I assumed it would be more sonic porn and such nonsense. Looks like I was way wrong lol. Really tough to discuss Sonic without haters dumping on everything. On the gaming side every time I see a Sonic thread it's oh boy here "they" come.
So did you guys hate Sonic 4 ep 2? I myself really liked the game. The music grew on me too I got both the soundtracks off iTunes. Say I am not alone lol.
So did you guys hate Sonic 4 ep 2? I myself really liked the game. The music grew on me too I got both the soundtracks off iTunes. Say I am not alone lol.
That is just awesome. I liked that part in Sky Scraper Scramper where Sonic is running and changing his direction multiple times on the Sky Scraper.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Sensing some hostility in Kokonoe's thread. 
On a similar note: what has been up with GAF lately, anyway?
That's pretty awesome.
Anyway, you guys... seeing that Dragon Road mod makes me want to play Unleashed again. :s
I still have to watch it. I don't expect good things based on what other people are saying.
That sort of thing is partially why this thread was created. There are some of us who do have reasonable discussions about the series as you can see here, but it's difficult to have that discussion when you have people who think they're hilarious posting dumbass fanart, making dumb jokes or trying to utterly convince people that they're wrong by liking the recent outings.
I thought Sonic 4: Episode 2 was middle-of-the-road and not outstanding. It gets better as you search for red rings and learn about shortcuts for the partner attacks to take advantage of.
You all know what I think about the music already.
On a similar note: what has been up with GAF lately, anyway?
Holy crap, I had no idea that was there. :O
That's pretty awesome.
Anyway, you guys... seeing that Dragon Road mod makes me want to play Unleashed again. :s
I wouldn't be surprised. :lolHauuuugh I just got around to watching this
I wonder if one of them reads this thread
I still have to watch it. I don't expect good things based on what other people are saying.
What kind of people did you think we were?! C'mon man! D:
That sort of thing is partially why this thread was created. There are some of us who do have reasonable discussions about the series as you can see here, but it's difficult to have that discussion when you have people who think they're hilarious posting dumbass fanart, making dumb jokes or trying to utterly convince people that they're wrong by liking the recent outings.
I thought Sonic 4: Episode 2 was middle-of-the-road and not outstanding. It gets better as you search for red rings and learn about shortcuts for the partner attacks to take advantage of.
You all know what I think about the music already.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Sonic 4 Ep. II was actually pretty decent. Yeah, the bosses took far too long to defeat, but other than that it was OK. Ep. I was just garbage though.
Aaron Strife
Banned
I discovered that at some point when I was doing the time trials for the chili dogs (and the cheevos of course). The one that surprised me was the Dragon Road shortcut.
Nocturnowl
Member
Sensing some hostility in Kokonoe's thread.
On a similar note: what has been up with GAF lately, anyway?
I saw that thread when I got up this morning, strapped for time so I didn't post anything but it's pretty messy, heading back through it now.
I like how Kokonoe actually puts some fair points and questions in the opening post only for them to get mostly ignored in favour of "it sucks because it does, also furries".
The analysis on how these current Sonic games play from the people who don't play them is quite fascinating.
And yes I have felt that GAF has been pretty grouchy as of late, tempers were rising heading towards E3 and the aftermath of that mediocrity has broken people completely. I like a good whinge as much as the next guy but it's been pretty heavy recently.
What analysis?
All I see is GREEN EYES! ROBOTNIK NOT EGGMAN! CLASSIC! GENESIS! PHYSICS! The only complaint that even has an iota of merit is the physics one, but half of the time it's just complaints about how they arent 1:1 with the Genesis games, and not the actual problems like collision dection and mid air stops. And if it's not those same almost memetic complaints, it's shitty perverted/nonsensical fanart.Nocturnowl
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Exactly, there is no analysis and that's what makes it so fascinating. HOLD RIGHT TO WIN/AUTOPLAY! COMPLAIN ABOUT FALLING DOWN HOLES AT HIGH SPEED! Gee I wonder why?What analysis?
Also Sonic was never good guys, we were just tricked by Sonic's edgy attitude in the same way DKC pulled the wool over my eyes with its fancy pre rendered graphics. All it's missing is the everything should be like Rayman Origins or Yoshi's Island brigade but I guess that's more of a NSMB thread deal.
Some of the Sonic stuff almost tops my favourite questionable platforming related comment of the recent week but not quite, one about DKC enemies and their awful 8 bit movement patterns tickles me in such a lovely way, you'd never see Mario with those disgraceful hopping pattern enemies! now just ignore those paratroopas and paragoombas please.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I'm a little surprised we haven't gotten a lengthy rebuttal post from a certain someone yet. And not a lot of the posters in that thread have even bothered to answer the question, not even rationally. We even have one person bringing up buying Rayman Origins day 1 for no reason at all.
The rationalization that people have claimed that Colours and Generations are like the second coming kind of confuses me because as far as I can tell no one in this thread treats either game that way. It's more like, "Hey, Colours and Generations are decent games, maybe you should try them out cuz you might like them. Here, check out these gameplay videos and see if it's your thing." No one here is looking for some sort of recognition for the series, but rather we generally want to discuss Sonic in other threads besides this one without a stigma attached.
Game series change all the time to adapt. Yes, there are some cases where even I don't like it (ex: Suikoden, Dragon Quest, Ys, etc.), but you know, there might be something in the pile of stuff that I might like and there usually is. Blind hatred of stuff you haven't played or of stuff you don't like because you don't like change gets you nowhere. Maybe it just isn't for you. That's great, but don't make it your mission to bash it in nearly every single thread. Like, there's a reason why I don't stumble into Kingdom Hearts threads for example. It isn't for me, and I don't make a point to rain on the parade because of it. FF threads are generally showcases of this, and while I'm likely guilty of it (actually I know I am), I try to write out my points regarding cons thoroughly.
"Those" fans certainly exist, but "those" fans make up a small but rather vocal portion of the fanbase so they get all the attention and then it's generalized for the entirety of the fanbase.
Yes, really. I'm a little surprised it's taking long for everyone to cool down. It almost feels like GAF has just thrown up the silly and stupid that's been festering for quite some time now over the course of a month. The amount of corporate loyalism that seems to be rather prevalent, the discussions about females in games or games media, Nintendo's presence at E3, Namco's silliness towards Tales and the rampant mentions of a certain game in those threads... oh and apparently people being completely honest and making valid points about a recently announced game to be localized qualifies as being a downer, going into OTs for a game and not being allowed to make valid criticisms of it from your perspective, etc. It gets extremely grating.
Unless it's always been like this and I'm just noticing it now. There seems to be a very prevalent feeling of defensiveness lately.
Also, I feel like the influxes (as I feel like there was one around E3 at some point?) of some of the junior members who aren't behaving cordially or nicely towards others certainly compounds it. There are others who are pretty good and deliver some good conversation, but then there are some that are... well...
Crystal Dynamics is keeping that
Dimps' level designs have a bad habit of encouraging the former while doing nothing to mitigate the latter. They're better about it in some games than others.
Seven Force
Banned
In my opinion, it seems like gaming side in general's been a lot more cynical (as in, more than usual) since E3. Aside from a select few threads, It's almost a bit unpleasant these days.
I'm looking forward to a post by Mama Robotnik in that topic, hes a guilty pleasure of mine, sorta like Mariotehplumber is
speaking of Mariotehplumber / sonic1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9isw3oYKw
Enjoy! LOL
speaking of Mariotehplumber / sonic1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9isw3oYKw
Enjoy! LOL
10$ sounds about right.
Dreams were crushed at E3. And if you thought this year was bad, wait till the Orbis and Durango show up next year.
Thanks.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Edit: So, ah, did we end up learning anything from the 'what's wrong with Sonic' thread? It was certainly an attempt to discuss what other people dislike about the series, but I don't think anything substantial has come out of it so far other than... well, people sticking to their guns.
Yeah, just when you think they're done, there they go again. The tropes thread isn't very pleasant at times either. :|
I'm a little surprised he hasn't posted in the thread yet because at least his posts are rather elaborate and at least has legitimate and understandable points. As for Sonic1Sonic, whoa, I shouldn't have had my speakers up that loud. I think your little chat with him broke him.
Yeah, it's really starting to show. I've started to just post in threads I'm subscribed to and stuff now. Not just cynical, but rather defensive too. E3 sort of amplified this sort of mindset. It's just really disappointing because people are focusing more on the littler things than just the games (though I suppose that isn't helped by the fact that most OTs are in Community rather than on Gaming).
Sounds reasonable. It's not a 'oh man, this is so unplayable' sort of affair; it's just kinda middle-of-the-road. It gets better when you look for the red rings and try to speed through the levels using the partner skills. Sega1991 wrote a pretty good, thorough review of it.
Nocturnowl
Member
Hmm well I guess there have been a few events recently that spur on the defensive feelings, for Nintendo and Sony in particular. As for the recent influx, well I guess there's always a few bad apples in the bunch to use an old expression and I feel as if the amount is greater than usual, but if any of them are that bad odds are they wont stick around long anyway.
I will not deny this at all but I imagine that the complaint is being lobbied at the wrong games.
You can usually gauge what a thread will be like from the titles alone at this point.
It's actually less of a disaster than posts in here led me to believe. None of the complaints are anything new, though, no.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
You guys.
It's all your fault for making me go through a few of the day levels in Unleashed. It's especially this video's fault (and the Dragon Road video). Boourns.
btw, I think the level scaling/balancing for the Werehog was pretty bad in hindsight. I kind of think you started off too low on the spectrum to combat the levels. There is no reason why some of these levels take 10-40 minutes, especially in a Sonic game. There is certainly the intent behind how long and difficult (I use this term loosely) the Werehog stages were, but the idea of fun was kind of lost. Tackling the night levels at a much higher level of strength and HP/Shield/Unleash are much faster and easier. Perhaps limiting levelling to learning more skills or higher shield/unleash power might have been a good idea?
Physics, Genesis classics, etc. are things we've all heard before.
Well, the bad apples generally post a lot so I tend to notice them more. :lol Nah, there are some pretty good juniors this time too. We were all Junior members once! You certainly learn a lot as you go on, though.
It's all your fault for making me go through a few of the day levels in Unleashed. It's especially this video's fault (and the Dragon Road video). Boourns.
btw, I think the level scaling/balancing for the Werehog was pretty bad in hindsight. I kind of think you started off too low on the spectrum to combat the levels. There is no reason why some of these levels take 10-40 minutes, especially in a Sonic game. There is certainly the intent behind how long and difficult (I use this term loosely) the Werehog stages were, but the idea of fun was kind of lost. Tackling the night levels at a much higher level of strength and HP/Shield/Unleash are much faster and easier. Perhaps limiting levelling to learning more skills or higher shield/unleash power might have been a good idea?
Nah, it isn't as bad as, say, the crossover thread. At least some people are being honest and putting forth some valid things. For example, the story stuff, I definitely agree with. At least the beginning of the thread was fine when it started up last night since you had some of us trying to carry on the conversation anyway.
Physics, Genesis classics, etc. are things we've all heard before.
Mainly due to E3/NPD/game releases. Like you said, you can pretty much gauge how the thread's going to go by merely reading the title. C'mon. We're supposed to be discussing how fun playing games can be. D:
Well, the bad apples generally post a lot so I tend to notice them more. :lol Nah, there are some pretty good juniors this time too. We were all Junior members once! You certainly learn a lot as you go on, though.
From the issues thread:
Which modern pop artist do you think could contribute to Sonic music?
I was gonna make a joke about Sega calling Justin Timberlake, but then I thought about it.
Which modern pop artist do you think could contribute to Sonic music?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Lady Gaga, once she's done with the Persona 5 soundtrack.
Seriously though, I don't know if there are any current pop artists I'd want to work on Sonic games. Maybe Paula Abdul if she'd go back to her 'Straight Up' sound, although she can hardly be called a current pop artist.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Well... who are the popular modern artists now? Is it that Lady Gaga lady still (I've noticed that people don't really talk about her anymore), or is it that wubwubwubwubwub business? Is Daft Punk still popular?
Edit: Jamiroquai is sadly not very popular.
Edit: Jamiroquai is sadly not very popular.
Well... who are the popular modern artists now? Is it that Lady Gaga lady still (I've noticed that people don't really talk about her anymore), or is it that wubwubwubwubwub business? Is Daft Punk still popular?
Edit: Jamiroquai is sadly not very popular.
Judging from video game trailers... yes!
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Well... who are the popular modern artists now? Is it that Lady Gaga lady still (I've noticed that people don't really talk about her anymore), or is it that wubwubwubwubwub business? Is Daft Punk still popular?
Edit: Jamiroquai is sadly not very popular.
Gaga is still popular, but Daft Punk seem to have been off doing fuck knows what the last few years, besides the Tron 2.0 soundtrack.
And I'll always remember Jamiroquai as the guy with the huge hat :lol
New Comic-Con trailer for Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynI_m0vtnrU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynI_m0vtnrU
Man, how can you seriously think we're into that shit D:
Me too. In fact, I didn't know Jamiroquai was a band rather than that one guy until TheOGB's post.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Well, Sonic fans do have a certain.. reputation, considering CWC and Alix Henriol are two of the more well-known representatives :lol
well yeah but we don't have that kind in GAF sonic threads!
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I actually have Alix Henriol on my Facebook friend list. Most of the time she posts pretty normal stuff, and she does seem like a genuinely nice girl, despite her.. interesting relationship to Sonic. Either way, as long as people don't hurt anyone or do anything illegal, I don't give a shit what sexual preferences they may have.
I wouldn't personally trust any of them. Sega's collaborations over the last few years have generally turned out pretty well, though, so what do I know. Cash Cash has a decent enough grip on the series that I wouldn't mind hearing them try some original pieces.
The more the merrier. Keep it relaxed, keep it clean, and there'll probably be at least one person in here happy to go on at length about whatever bit of minutiae or spinoff material you care to talk about.
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