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Sons of Anarchy - The 7th and Final Season - Tuesdays on FX
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man that ain't even count as a promo
Cornballer
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Was there one after the episode last night?
-Pyromaniac-
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I know we're beating a dead horse but this episode was way too long goddamn lol.
Also gemma dying would have been sadder if the whole chinese lie and all the repercussions of it didn't happen.
Also I'll be shocked if Jax lives happily ever after. Suicide is next!
edit: oh and sutter LOVES hunnam's ass
Also gemma dying would have been sadder if the whole chinese lie and all the repercussions of it didn't happen.
Also I'll be shocked if Jax lives happily ever after. Suicide is next!
edit: oh and sutter LOVES hunnam's ass
CyberpunkGod
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I pumped my fists in the air when Gemma got dropped, fucking finally.
I'm 100% convinced something about his heart is going to spring up in the finale. Gemma has a heart condition, and they mentioned it last week during her conversation with Nero and the fact that she couldn't have more kids due to it - and once again this week when Chiklis drew attention to her scar from open heart surgery. And in this last episode, Gemma mentions Jax's brother - Thomas Teller (and Jax's youngest son is named after him) - who died at the age of 6 from a congenital heart defect.
It's about as obvious a smoking gun as there is in film/television.
RoninChaos
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So I don't have a lot of time and I'll elaborate later but after watching the episode I feel like I found the core of what's been bothering me about the last few seasons.
The problem with this show is that it uses brutality and violence as if it's making a statement and as if that statement is something profound. Violence for violence's sake isn't story telling. And if you look at this season, it's really just been bodies dropping one after another. Sutter has more time and does even less with it except killing people and montages. As you watch the seasons progress from 1-7 you see more and more and more of the violence and brutality and less and less and less of the characters. When this show started, even if we knew it wasn't the most serious thing on earth, each character had motivation, they had things that drove them and the stories made sense for the most part. In the early seasons death meant something. When opie's wife died, holy shit. And yet from that moment on it was like Sutter said "Killing more and more people is dramatic" and it's not. And he took it a step further and has said "Not only do I want to kill people for dramatic effect, I want it to be as brutal as possible. I want to stick the camera in it and show it because that's DRAMA!. That's story telling!" And it's not. Dexter had the same problem. They made the antagonists in that show more and more outlandish and tried to turn Dexter at the end, into a fucking super hero. Jax Teller might as well be the same thing. The actions of everyone around him, the BRUTALITY of those around him basically allow Jax to come off like a fucking saint.
The only shows I ever saw handle the ugliness inside their main characters well without fucking it up was the Sopranos and Breaking Bad. The Sopranos didn't escalate the villains to make the Tony look saintly. Tony was his own worst enemy, and the situations he found himself in reflected that perfectly. It was cerebral and even though you got to know every facet of the character, you came away KNOWING who Tony was, why he ticked, and what was good and bad about him. Breaking bad did this to an extent, but the people that Walter White went against steadily climbed in terms of threat, but it made SENSE, and at the end of the day, NO ONE felt sorry for him and what happened. No one was sympathetic, but the show writers for BB also didn't try and turn Walt into a super hero. They didn't try to pull false notes to make us feel sorry for him. He got what he got because of the choices he made.
Sons really doesn't do any of this. And when it does, it does it so poorly. All that character development that those shows got into, what it revealed by the situations the characters were put in and the actions they took is what made those shows work. Now granted, The Sopranos and Breaking bad are probably the two greatest television shows of all time, so maybe it's not fair to Sons, but Sons used to be entertaining. When i watched the first season, that last episode especially really stuck with me. The stuff we were given to chew on was fun to think about, and was fun to watch. And all that is gone and it's just replaced with things like eyes hanging out of sockets and prison rape. Even the final scenes were about kind of shoving your face in it. We see Juice get shanked in the neck, Unser get shot, drive by after drive by after drive by, Gemma's body laying there with a hole in the head. It's just excessive for no reason for it other than this is what Sutter thinks makes a story. That's another the part that's so frustrating. Sutter has a lot of good actors and this season they've made the best of what they had but you can only polish up a piece of shit for so long. It's still going to stink.
Anyway, I realize that was long, I have a lot more I'd like to say about it but I have to go pick up my son. I'll jump back on later.
The problem with this show is that it uses brutality and violence as if it's making a statement and as if that statement is something profound. Violence for violence's sake isn't story telling. And if you look at this season, it's really just been bodies dropping one after another. Sutter has more time and does even less with it except killing people and montages. As you watch the seasons progress from 1-7 you see more and more and more of the violence and brutality and less and less and less of the characters. When this show started, even if we knew it wasn't the most serious thing on earth, each character had motivation, they had things that drove them and the stories made sense for the most part. In the early seasons death meant something. When opie's wife died, holy shit. And yet from that moment on it was like Sutter said "Killing more and more people is dramatic" and it's not. And he took it a step further and has said "Not only do I want to kill people for dramatic effect, I want it to be as brutal as possible. I want to stick the camera in it and show it because that's DRAMA!. That's story telling!" And it's not. Dexter had the same problem. They made the antagonists in that show more and more outlandish and tried to turn Dexter at the end, into a fucking super hero. Jax Teller might as well be the same thing. The actions of everyone around him, the BRUTALITY of those around him basically allow Jax to come off like a fucking saint.
The only shows I ever saw handle the ugliness inside their main characters well without fucking it up was the Sopranos and Breaking Bad. The Sopranos didn't escalate the villains to make the Tony look saintly. Tony was his own worst enemy, and the situations he found himself in reflected that perfectly. It was cerebral and even though you got to know every facet of the character, you came away KNOWING who Tony was, why he ticked, and what was good and bad about him. Breaking bad did this to an extent, but the people that Walter White went against steadily climbed in terms of threat, but it made SENSE, and at the end of the day, NO ONE felt sorry for him and what happened. No one was sympathetic, but the show writers for BB also didn't try and turn Walt into a super hero. They didn't try to pull false notes to make us feel sorry for him. He got what he got because of the choices he made.
Sons really doesn't do any of this. And when it does, it does it so poorly. All that character development that those shows got into, what it revealed by the situations the characters were put in and the actions they took is what made those shows work. Now granted, The Sopranos and Breaking bad are probably the two greatest television shows of all time, so maybe it's not fair to Sons, but Sons used to be entertaining. When i watched the first season, that last episode especially really stuck with me. The stuff we were given to chew on was fun to think about, and was fun to watch. And all that is gone and it's just replaced with things like eyes hanging out of sockets and prison rape. Even the final scenes were about kind of shoving your face in it. We see Juice get shanked in the neck, Unser get shot, drive by after drive by after drive by, Gemma's body laying there with a hole in the head. It's just excessive for no reason for it other than this is what Sutter thinks makes a story. That's another the part that's so frustrating. Sutter has a lot of good actors and this season they've made the best of what they had but you can only polish up a piece of shit for so long. It's still going to stink.
Anyway, I realize that was long, I have a lot more I'd like to say about it but I have to go pick up my son. I'll jump back on later.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, I think it's this. Any momentum the characters had was long gone by the time they met their end, their was no satisfaction to be had, it did nothing to propel the story forward.
Their lacked any meaning or significance beyond it had to happen because there was simply no other end for them.
Normally I would agree that TV treats its viewers as being too dumb to put together obvious clues, but I have been having so much trouble paying attention to episodes this season, that I missed this.
Carnby
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Some one from here spoiled the ending of this episode in The Walking Dead thread. Good job bud. /S
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WTF!? Why would you go into another tv show thread and spoil the biggest moment in this series!? Unbelievable.
Edit #2: I'm spoiler tagging the quote. It's somewhat of a Walking Dead spoiler.
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If anyone here watches Sons of Anarchy, then last night's episode had amoment to it that many of you should've definitely caught.#lookattheflowers
WTF!? Why would you go into another tv show thread and spoil the biggest moment in this series!? Unbelievable.
Edit #2: I'm spoiler tagging the quote. It's somewhat of a Walking Dead spoiler.
I don't think so. But I was just complaining cause this one is mostly made up of clips from previous episodes. We have no idea what to expect in the finale.
Well Gemma's dead which is good. I can't believe I didn't hear about this before watching a day late. I didn't expect it until the finale either. Generally liked this episode I guess. Curious what is going to happen at the end. Not even sure what I really want at this point. I mean Jax should die. Nero and Wendy and the kids can take off to the farm maybe. Oh well we shall see.
RoninChaos
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Anyone know the song in the promo?
It's incredible - the biggest and longest story arc covering about 4/5 seasons has basically been forgotten about.
I bet Sutter realised there was no way it could be revealed without killing Gemma off or, at the very least, exiling her. And he wanted to keep that for the very end - because it's not like Gemma didn't completly outstay her welcome years ago or force the show and characters to keep repeating the same patterns in order to keep her relevant. No, that definitely didn't happen.
choodi
Banned
Number one reason this show is crap.
The most important story arc has been basically cast aside for torture porn and mummy issues.
I'm going to watch the latest episode now. Doesn't sound like even Gemma buying it is going to make this show any better
Yeah, I'm not sure how you save that reveal until after Jax kills Gemma. That's really pointless. Jury should have dropped that bomb and allowed it influence this final arc.
Carnby
Member
No. I knew exactly what to expect in this episode after I read that. I didn't even need to start the episode to know Gema died. There's no excuse for what you did.
WarrenMax007
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About Jax's leg. Maybe Charlie Hunnam just hurt is somewhere? And they've written it in?
The whole thing has turned anti-climactic for me. I think a huge part of it is Sutter dragging this whole thing out with these extra long episodes. Although I was happy she got what was coming to her, it had less impact on me than when Abel ratted her out. And holy crap, does Sutter have to make every single person love Gemma or what? It's completely overwrought and compensatory for how despicable she was. I no longer cared about Juice, so him dying was another bleh moment as well. Just one more episode to go before we see Abel in a flash-forward donning the cut and JT's ring.
Carnby
Member
I still care that it was spoiled regardless of this show being garbage from day one.
Show's been repeating all the same beats since Season 1- it's been that first club death repeated over and over and over again.
I'm really thinking now, since Jax did ask Gemma about the manuscript, he'll read it, find out what really happened and then take JT's bike out for one last ride before he meets Mayhem and either commit suicide, or have a heart attack (which I think they might be hinting at with his jacked up leg).
I don't think JT's suspicions of Clay/Gemma are in the manuscript. Weren't they in letter's JT sent to his Irish side chick who put them in Jax's bag?
choodi
Banned
It's almost like someone on the writing staff caught a rerun of the first episode and suddenly remembered that the whole premise of the show was based around the fucking manuscript.
So they have shoehorned it back in and it now just comes across as pointless.
The club is waaaaaay too far gone to be redeemed by going legit. Jax is a despicable murderer worse than Clay ever was. No one is left alive who knows the truth. No one is left alive to payfor the sin of killing John Teller.
What's the fucking point?
So they have shoehorned it back in and it now just comes across as pointless.
The club is waaaaaay too far gone to be redeemed by going legit. Jax is a despicable murderer worse than Clay ever was. No one is left alive who knows the truth. No one is left alive to payfor the sin of killing John Teller.
What's the fucking point?
-Pyromaniac-
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There's a new promo up, much better than the first. Has a new scene at the start and end of it. I like the last line at the end. Seems like jax is implying that
he is the bad guy that's gonna lose.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'm thinking Chibbs will do something. There was a moment during the shooting in the Chinese club where he stood there and looked at their work.
I'm thinking he's reached the point where he feels can't support Jax and might try to force him out or take power through by some bylaw?
It would make sense, he's always been the most level headed (outside of Bobby), so him having enough of Jax and the mess he's caused would fit in with the character...
I'm thinking he's reached the point where he feels can't support Jax and might try to force him out or take power through by some bylaw?
It would make sense, he's always been the most level headed (outside of Bobby), so him having enough of Jax and the mess he's caused would fit in with the character...
Link, dawg.
brianjones
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sad that I've made it this far in the show but i find myself clicking on the thread before having much desire to actually watch the episode
even gemma getting iced is like w/e to me.. the deaths on this show are always inevitable.. never surprising or interesting
even gemma getting iced is like w/e to me.. the deaths on this show are always inevitable.. never surprising or interesting
MercurialTurnip
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They've killed 4 main characters this season, and somehow none of them manage to be as emotional as Donna's death back in season 1.
Gemma's death came far too late to have any real impact, Juice deserved to die and is probably better off dead, Unser's death was really stupid...just feels like they're picking them off one by one at this point. Jax and Nero will probably die next episode...
My main problem is that the show just isn't exciting anymore. Almost everyone on the show is a terrible person so it's impossible to care about their problems. The action is boring and the conversations are dull. The show is just too long. I'll be happy to see it end next week, hopefully on a satisfying note with Jax getting iced by all the people he's fucked over in the past.
Gemma's death came far too late to have any real impact, Juice deserved to die and is probably better off dead, Unser's death was really stupid...just feels like they're picking them off one by one at this point. Jax and Nero will probably die next episode...
My main problem is that the show just isn't exciting anymore. Almost everyone on the show is a terrible person so it's impossible to care about their problems. The action is boring and the conversations are dull. The show is just too long. I'll be happy to see it end next week, hopefully on a satisfying note with Jax getting iced by all the people he's fucked over in the past.
I really think Nero will make it out alive. He has an ugly past, but he seems to be the only one left with some moral direction. He and Wendy will raise the boys on his farm, which will end the cycle for the Teller family.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
But isn't Jax getting killed anyway?
Also, did they explain what law Jax wanted banned? Did I miss it?
MercurialTurnip
Member
I hope you're right, but I have a really bad feeling they are going to kill him off before he gets the chance. Either that or Abel goes on a killing spree with a hammer in one hand and a lunchbox in the other.
I think it's the race bylaw. See Jax wants fair treatment for all colors and creeds!
Carnby
Member
This season having lunchboxes and Marilyn Manson is no coincidence. "Next mother fucker gonna get my metal."
Marilyn Manson - Lunchbox: http://youtu.be/PRFJoUBP54o
-Pyromaniac-
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I just assumed that the bylaw Jax wanted stricken was one that would somehow stop Chibs from becoming president. That way jax can leave the club to him.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with patching in the Grimm Bastards. What law stopped Chibbs from becoming president?
choodi
Banned
To me it seemed like it was going to be the other chapter presidents who would do it, which would fit in with the general stupidity of the show.
Why not have the main character meet his end at the hands of a bunch of guys we were only introduced to in the last few episodes of the final season?
Makes sense with the dumb shit Sutter has thrown at us and the way he has treated the whole audience like morons.
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