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Sony’s 2021 TV lineup runs Google TV and fully embraces HDMI 2.1
Kuranghi
Member
Did you try c1 yet bro?
Still want to hear your thoughts on the motion
xD
Uhhh... yeah... I definitely definitely didn't forget again and I did all the tests and I tried it and the Sony motion was better. Case closed!
No of course I didn't because I'm a wally. Change "better motion" to "I heard its better".
I'm working tomorrow so will hopefully get time.
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StateofMajora
Banned
I figured you did, I was just giving you a hard time lol.
I agree with everything else you said though, even input lag except when playing a 60fps game in boost mode (simulating a 120fps signal) ; that feels significantly more responsive than the 20-18ms i’ve been exposed to since 2017 samsung.
But x1 ultimate vs c1 with bfi (can’t use boost mode), is no difference at all. But of course i’d use bfi on c1 so the boost mode for me is only useful for competitive like you said.
Lognor
Banned
Thanks for the detailed information. I will be using a sound bar so tv sound isn't as important. Right now the 77" is $100 cheaper for the lg. But it doesn't include the atsc 3.0 tuner which will add $100 to the price if i decide to get one. Yeah it's a tough call. I might just wait for the 2022 models or get either one of these if there is a killer price.
Spadow
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Jadsey
Member
Could anybody please help me with settings on an X900H/X90H for a Nintendo Switch!
I moved from a 1080p set last year to the X900H and whilst my Series X and PS5 look glorious, the Switch looks utter garbage!
I am a complete dunce when it comes to this sort of thing, so any help would be great.
I moved from a 1080p set last year to the X900H and whilst my Series X and PS5 look glorious, the Switch looks utter garbage!
I am a complete dunce when it comes to this sort of thing, so any help would be great.
Shmunter
Member
I’m not sure if the model has it, my 900e does. Try Reality Creation slider to some setting on the 1080p image.
Jadsey
Member
Thanks...I'll give it a try tonight.
GymWolf
Gold Member
In your opinion, Is an lg c1 55" at 1281 euros (1483 dollars) a great occasion or usually that tv goes down even more during big offers?!
They also have the sony 55A80J for 1736 dollars...
Isn't the sony a 2020 model? How can it cost more than a 2021 higly celebrated model?!
Also kinda of a noob question, if sony win for motion and upscaling and panasonic win for color accuracy out of the box (pretty important stuff especially the color thing since i don't have any good tv calibrator where i live), in what aspects does the lg oled wins?! I don't really care about 120 frames, but i care about the vrr thingy for when i have uneven framerate.
Why is the c1 the best for gaming?
They also have the sony 55A80J for 1736 dollars...
Isn't the sony a 2020 model? How can it cost more than a 2021 higly celebrated model?!
Also kinda of a noob question, if sony win for motion and upscaling and panasonic win for color accuracy out of the box (pretty important stuff especially the color thing since i don't have any good tv calibrator where i live), in what aspects does the lg oled wins?! I don't really care about 120 frames, but i care about the vrr thingy for when i have uneven framerate.
Why is the c1 the best for gaming?
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kyliethicc
Member
Issue is the Switch.
LG C1 and Sony A80J are both 2021 models.
They are direct competitors. They both use the same OLED panels made by LG.
LG C1 is better for PC / xbox users.
A80J is better for PS5 users.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
Bo_Hazem
Banned
What about a pc\ps5 user?!
What do you think about the prices?!
If gaming is your main thing C1 might be the better option.
If motion processing, color accuracy and overall processing prowess is what you need then go with Sony. To me I'll always go for Sony as I use my TV's as monitors for video/photo editing.
kyliethicc
Member
LG has G-Sync if you care about that.What about a pc\ps5 user?!
What do you think about the prices?!
And Sony hasn't enabled VRR on the A80J (or PS5) yet.
Price wise idk. I think the A80J has a better design and OS, but I wouldn't pay much more for that over the LG.
Both are basically the best OLED TVs on the market. Can't really go wrong with either.
GymWolf
Gold Member
No i was asking specifically about the occassions i finded, i wrote the prices in my previous post.
The lg has g-sync? Like nvidia original gsync? Or just the vrr that i basically like g-sync?
Didn't sony released a patch that fix all their tv problems recently?!
I really don't care about os or how good a tv looks, i use it as a pc monitor so my OS is windows
I use the tv to play games on ps5 and on pc as a monitor to use the pc as a media center to watch films\serial\anime\mma, and internet browsing, literally nothing else.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Nothing will make the Switch look good on a large 4K TV, sorry.
(This is not me being anti-Nintendo, I own all their consoles from the last few decades except the Wii U. And I have a Sony TV (a few years old) with great 1080p upscaling. The Switch just looks like shit on a modern TV no matter what, what with most games being sub-1080p with no AA.)
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think the A80J might be better with 24fps stutter, not sure though. Better check comparisons. I think the C1 would suit you will in that case. Sony would be great if you use it as a low-budget production screen.
GymWolf
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
Can a PC even output a proper 24p signal? Maybe they can these days.
kyliethicc
Member
No i was asking specifically about the occassions i finded, i wrote the prices in my previous post.
The lg has g-sync? Like nvidia original gsync? Or just the vrr that i basically like g-sync?
Didn't sony released a patch that fix all their tv problems recently?!
I really don't care about os or how good a tv looks, i use it as a pc monitor so my OS is windows
I use the tv to play games on ps5 and on pc as a monitor to use the pc as a media center to watch films\serial\anime\mma, and internet browsing, literally nothing else.
The LG C1 OLED supports Nvidia G-Sync, AMD FreeSync, and HDMI Forum VRR.
Sony will enable HDMI Forum VRR on the A80J at a later date.
The A80J OLED will not support Nvidia G-Sync or AMD FreeSync.
The LG C1 is basically the closest a TV can come to being a PC monitor.
I know
rofif
uses a 48" LG CX OLED as his PC gaming monitor and also for his PS5. Might wanna ask him.LG C1
LG C1 OLED Review (OLED48C1PUB, OLED55C1PUB, OLED65C1PUB, OLED77C1PUB, OLED83C1PUA)
The LG C1 OLED is the 2021 replacement for the LG CX OLED. As expected, it's an amazing TV, but aside from a few minor tweaks and upgrades—like the new 'Game Opt...
www.rtings.com
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GymWolf
Gold Member
Well shit this close the deal.The LG C1 OLED supports Nvidia G-Sync, AMD FreeSync, and HDMI Forum VRR.
Sony will enable HDMI Forum VRR on the A80J at a later date.
The A80J OLED will not support Nvidia G-Sync or AMD FreeSync.
The LG C1 is basically the closest a TV can come to being a PC monitor.
LG C1 OLED Review (OLED48C1PUB, OLED55C1PUB, OLED65C1PUB, OLED77C1PUB, OLED83C1PUA)
The LG C1 OLED is the 2021 replacement for the LG CX OLED. As expected, it's an amazing TV, but aside from a few minor tweaks and upgrades—like the new 'Game Opt...
What about the price of 1483 dollars?! Is it a great price? Or i can hope to find much better? (The site i'm visiting is already doing black friday offers).
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
When watching movies. I'd rather use native apps like Netflix on the TV as it looks way better than watching it through PC.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. Native TV apps or a connected BD player vs PC. The first two will give you proper 24p for movies, will a PC running Plex or Kodi or whatever?
GymWolf
Gold Member
What has the best picture quality\resolution between netflix windows store app and netflix tv internal app?
I just use vlc to watch shit usually
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I watched Netflix through PC and image just doesn't look as clean, 4K. Even for youtube the native Youtube tv app seems to have a better image quality, subtle but it's there.
What has the best picture quality\resolution between netflix windows store app and netflix tv internal app?
I just use vlc to watch shit usually
Just use the native app
kyliethicc
Member
Current price of the 55 inch LG C1 in the US (on sale) is $1300.
But in most parts of the US we pay sales tax on top of that price, which can be another like 5% or more so it'd cost like $1350-$1400 total.
Idk where you reside, but $1483 seems fine. Not the best price, but fair. Maybe you'll find it cheaper later, idk.
Kuranghi
Member
Off-topic to current convo I know but has anyone been watching Foundation? Even if you aren't into sci-fi I recommend giving it a watch just to see the HDR, its fucking awesome. The depth of the image on so many shots is immense and it loves to have these super bright windows in the background like Ozark and that looks stun-mazing on my ZD9.
How is it looking on your guys 2020-2021 OLEDs?
How is it looking on your guys 2020-2021 OLEDs?
GymWolf
Gold Member
Shit, i thought it was a really good price...
GymWolf
Gold Member
I'm just not sure if the wifi speed is stable enough for netflix 4k directly in the tv (i have direct cable connession when i use the pc obviously).I watched Netflix through PC and image just doesn't look as clean, 4K. Even for youtube the native Youtube tv app seems to have a better image quality, subtle but it's there.
Just use the native app
kyliethicc
Member
Seems fine to me. Hard to say whats the best time to buy. Basic rule of thumb is the longer you wait, the less you pay.
They'll put all of the 2021 models on discount around April-June of next year to clear inventory once the 2022 models hit the market. And who knows, maybe the 2022 LG OLED model will be much better and worth buying. Then just wait til like November 2022 and get that one on sale. Its a never ending cycle.
Watch this.
And here's a good video about the LG's settings for PS5 gaming.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
How fast your connection is? If you're like above 20Mbps I think 4K on netflix is more than manageable via wifi.
GymWolf
Gold Member
I have a blistering fast connection via cable but the wifi is a bit slow\unstable.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Strange, but you're overestimating 4K videos on the internet. I tested my 200Mbps both wired and wireless by doing like 3x 4K youtube videos and one 8K@60fps video and all were smooth. But with Sony Bravia Core 80Mbps quality 4K you might need a stable connection, so maybe invest in a new router, doesn't need to be fancy don't listen to BS just pick something around 30-40 euros.
GymWolf
Gold Member
My plan was to wait for a 2022 model, but from december to april they come out games that i waited for 4-5 years like dl2, h2, elden ring and someone else and i really want to play this stuff on a new tv and i don't have the patience to postpone these games to fucking june
If we had like lg or sony talking about the 2022 model being 200% better than 2021 model than maybe i would wait but it's gonna be the usual small incremental upgrade like every year most probably, microled are still far away...
GymWolf
Gold Member
Yeah i'm probably overstimating what speed you need for the netflix crappily compressed "4k"...
Kuranghi
Member
Not to make it harder for you Gymmy but since you have a panasonic maybe colour accuracy out of box will be a disappointment on a C1 vs. your panny OLED:
LG C1 OLED vs Sony A80J OLED Side-by-Side TV Comparison
The Sony A80J OLED and the LG C1 OLED are amazing TVs capable of turning pixels off individually to produce deep inky blacks with a near-infinite contrast ratio. You can't go wrong with either, but they do have some differences. The LG offers a bit more for gamers, with two more HDMI 2.1 ports...
www.rtings.com
If you check pre calibration scores its not like its just slightly better on the A80J, its way better. I also think the general presentation of the image - like HDR tonemapping, gradient handling and upscaling - on the C1 will be marginally worse than your current panny.
You said you don't care about 4K120, but if you do need VRR you need to get the C1.
The A80J has better motion imo, but I'm not sure you'll use the motion smoothing settings that much or at all given how you are using it with a PC (Though I'd imagine you might use it for internal media apps though, like netflix, prime etc since thats a much better way to watch HDR content vs. through the PC connection).
Do you use motion smoothing with movies/TV shows now?
I'm a big Sony fan... man so I think its worth the extra money up to 300 more and its not worth losing the A80J benefits to get 4K120 + VRR from the C1, but thats because I don't play 4K120 games on console, can't play any games with that output on PC due to current specs and don't feel VRR is in a place where I would use it yet due to technical issues.
You can buy a cheap USB ethernet adaptor and get 500Mb+ download through cable on the C1 and A80J as well, so need to rely on wifi or be limited to 100Mb wired:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Actually the 4K videos can be pretty sharp on youtube, especially if uploaded as 10-bit 4:2:2 H.265 as most youtubers avoid due to crappy PC's.
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Dave_at_Home
Member
As someone with a C1, I would say LG does a better job catering to gamers than Sony or Panasonic. VRR does cause black levels to raise a bit though. LG does offer an ability to adjust that in their game mode settings. At the end of the day, I would just go with whatever has the best price.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Not to make it harder for you Gymmy but since you have a panasonic maybe colour accuracy out of box will be a disappointment on a C1 vs. your panny OLED:
LG C1 OLED vs Sony A80J OLED Side-by-Side TV Comparison
The Sony A80J OLED and the LG C1 OLED are amazing TVs capable of turning pixels off individually to produce deep inky blacks with a near-infinite contrast ratio. You can't go wrong with either, but they do have some differences. The LG offers a bit more for gamers, with two more HDMI 2.1 ports...
If you check pre calibration scores its not like its just slightly better on the A80J, its way better. I also think the general presentation of the image - like HDR tonemapping, gradient handling and upscaling - on the C1 will be marginally worse than your current panny.
You said you don't care about 4K120, but if you do need VRR you need to get the C1.
The A80J has better motion imo, but I'm not sure you'll use the motion smoothing settings that much or at all given how you are using it with a PC (Though I'd imagine you might use it for internal media apps though, like netflix, prime etc since thats a much better way to watch HDR content vs. through the PC connection).
Do you use motion smoothing with movies/TV shows now?
I'm a big Sony fan... man so I think its worth the extra money up to 300 more and its not worth losing the A80J benefits to get 4K120 + VRR from the C1, but thats because I don't play 4K120 games on console, can't play any games with that output on PC due to current specs and don't feel VRR is in a place where I would use it yet due to technical issues.
You can buy a cheap USB ethernet adaptor and get 500Mb+ download through cable on the C1 and A80J as well, so need to rely on wifi or be limited to 100Mb wired:
No i don't use any motion stuff.
C1 having nvidia g-sync is kinda of a big plus, i always loved g-sync concept but i fucking hate playing on a pc monitor...
Color accuracy is a big panasonic plus but i didn't really watched many movies and serial in the last years and color accuracy is far less important with vg\anime\sport so i think that i'm gonna survive...
I barely use netflix or prime video so it's not really a selling point for me.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
Does it have the same black problem while using g-sync?
Dave_at_Home
Member
The raised black issue in VRR affects all OLED televisions (it does the same to LCD too). Anyway, I can't say for sure. I've turned off Freesynce Premium Pro but still have VRR/G-Sync on in general. Freesynce Premium seems to cause the raised blacks. I don't have an Nvidia GPU so can't speak on g-sync. Although it may raise black levels as well. At least LG gives you options in its game menu to adjust for that.
Kuranghi
Member
I say save money and buy the C1 then.
Jadsey
Member
This is was my fear. Sucks to be honest.
BotW looks really awful.
Im considering getting a 1080p monitor or something.
Kuranghi
Member
What are your picture setting set for the Switch HDMI input? Send us photos if too annoying to write down the values. If there is too much dynamic range enhancement on ("dynamic contrast enhancer" and "extended dynamic range") it will make quality imagery looks worse as well.
I'd turn off the all the noise reduction settings and live colour since they will cause issues when used on Switch imagery, since it has poor quality post processing anti-aliasing on top of low resolution.
Jadsey
Member
Thanks for the tips.
I’ll post my values later when I’m in front of my TV….I need help!!
GymWolf
Gold Member
Kuranghi
Member
I'm not sure we'll be able to make it look like how you want but at least maybe mitigate some of the problems.
Kuranghi
Member
Physiognomonics
Member
VRR 20hz-120hz at 4K? Wow I am really impressed. It means it can take care of <50ms frame-time drops. Nice.The LG C1 OLED supports Nvidia G-Sync, AMD FreeSync, and HDMI Forum VRR.
Sony will enable HDMI Forum VRR on the A80J at a later date.
The A80J OLED will not support Nvidia G-Sync or AMD FreeSync.
The LG C1 is basically the closest a TV can come to being a PC monitor.
I know
LG C1
LG C1 OLED Review (OLED48C1PUB, OLED55C1PUB, OLED65C1PUB, OLED77C1PUB, OLED83C1PUA)
The LG C1 OLED is the 2021 replacement for the LG CX OLED. As expected, it's an amazing TV, but aside from a few minor tweaks and upgrades—like the new 'Game Opt...