Sony confirms PS2 emulation coming to PS4

I hope they finally release digital PS2 versions of the following games (EU/US store):

- Haunting Ground (only available in Japan)
- Silent Hill 2
- Silent Hill 3
- Silent Hill 4: The Room (only available in Japan)

And I also hope for PS1 emulation :)

Konami is incompetent so not sure if we will ever see the old silent hill games on PSN ever
 
Disc and region free or bust. (and none of those will happen)

(Also, I'm playing PS2 in 16:9 (http://ps2wide.net/) , region free on hacked ps2/ps3/pc(I'm in europe with NTSC games on PAL systems (60Hz, 480p stuff at times)), Sony will never bother including those patches as optional/experimental, would take them 5minutes to implement for the whole emulator though)
 
I hope this includes disc-based emulation. I would love that. I've held onto my PS2 for all these years and it'd be kinda cool to be able to continue to play PS2 games on more modern consoles. Hooking up a PS2 is kind of a hassle.

Also, kinda crazy and dumb idea, but why doesn't Sony release its really old (PS1 for instance) titles on PC as well and bank off of emulation on that front while pushing Playstation for more modern titles? Does continuing to push their older titles on Playstation really help sell Playstation all that much?
 
Disc and region free or bust. (and none of those will happen)

(Also, I'm playing PS2 in 16:9 (http://ps2wide.net/) , region free on hacked ps2/ps3/pc, Sony will never bother including those patches as optional/experimental, would take them 5minutes to implement for the whole emulator though)
Stability is more important for casual consumer then tweaks that may or may not improve a game.
 
This would give me a reason to buy a PS4 if it ran well.

Xbone levels of emulation aren't acceptable.

?? I thought Xbone BC was working well. What's the problem with it?

Anyway, this is neat and I'll have to look see what PS2 games I have digitally. Any word on the supposed trophy support?
 
Stop hoping for disc-based emulation, guys stahp.

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Now all we need are widescreen patches! I just hope this doesn't kill of remasters, I'm still waiting on FFXII!

If anything, it opens up the access of making PS2 games available to consumers - companies who otherwise wouldn't do the effort of remastering old PS2 games now have a much easier time getting their games on PSN through simple emulation.
 
If anything, it opens up the access of making PS2 games available to consumers - companies who otherwise wouldn't do the effort of remastering old PS2 games now have a much easier time getting their games on PSN through simple emulation.
True, which also means that they can gauge the interest in their backlog and plan for sequels.
 
Stop hoping for disc-based emulation, guys stahp.

When people told me to stop hoping for Shenmue 3, i didn't.
When people told me to stop hoping for The Last Guardian, i didn't.
When people told me to stop hoping for FF7, i didn't.

Now people are telling me to stop hoping for disc-based emulation. I WON'T ! FREEEEEDOOOOOM !
 
Konami is incompetent so not sure if we will ever see the old silent hill games on PSN ever

Well, 4 is available in Japan and 1 is available everywhere. I think the only reason 2 and 3 are not released is the crappy HD release and/or licensing issues (maybe). But I hope that they can sort it out and release the best entries of the franchise :)
 
+1 for disc support...

but i don't know if it will ever happen since you can find used ps3 games for like 4 euros. I think sony will want to charge us a bit. So i guess it will be digital only.
 
Stop hoping for disc-based emulation, guys stahp.

Why? What's with this relentless effort to downplay what people can expect in these threads? There was never any reality to the idea that there's a real economic incentive to artificially exclude discs from this type of feature, and the Xbone BC feature that's been revealed in the interim should make that even more clear. The PS3 played PS1 discs and it had absolutely zero effect on the level of digital Classic sales -- the same would be true here, some people still have collections they might dip into but many people would still give a shot to older titles for the very first time via download.

They should really just let us play the traditional, 480p, no trophy version of the games from disc, and let us buy the enhanced versions.

In a world where a disc feature is released, this is pretty much what I'd expect -- disc games would always just run in normal or very slightly improved (a la PS2 -> PS1 support) fashion, while specific digital titles could be upgraded with improved rendering, trophies, etc. and sold digitally.
 
Should've made that clear then.


Better than nothing, no?

I did.

Ppl always bring the "expectations" argument, thing is, if I can't do what I've already been doing for years, why would I be intersted in Sony's crumbs ? simple as that.
Shitty PAL gaming always taught me that there are many solutions out there to improve my gaming to be on par or better than what ppl are getting on the other side of the pond, why should I settle for less now ? PS4 DRMs ? nope. (PS3 was the same, I could not play ANY of my NTSC ps1 discs, only 50hz PAL discs...forced to re-buy everything digitaly ? yeah, right, hacked my system and all my PS1 games play fine now, same for a lot of my ps2 games that work fine converted as PS3 ps2 classics games, why in god's name should I pay again for those ?!)

Seriously, it's 2015, we can do Gamecube VR on PC and PS4 can't play PS1 games ? :|

The trophies mention makes me think we're never gtting disc based stuff though, which pretty much means we're not going to be able to play the games we want. (360 on XBO, disc or not is the same though, I can't play the games I'd like to play)

Who needs BC if they can' play the games they want ? or is it a case of publisher pushing and marketing re-release for ppl to be excited about and buy ?
 
I thought BC didn't matter a few years into the new generation.

Or at least, that's what I've been told on this forum.
 
It was supposed to do I/O only in PS2 mode.

PS2 Slim dropped it, along with compatibility with a few PS1 games... and a few PS2 games whose devs didn't care too much and made the PS1 CPU do something else.

Yeah, my memory was a little off. The PS1 CPU doubled as the PS2's I/O controller and one of its two audio processors, while the PS1 audio processor was the second PS2 audio processor. Both chips were removed from the PS2 Slim and emulated by the overclocked Emotion Engine.

People arguing that there is no business case for supporting discs have a remarkable lack of imagination.

There is a business case for sure.

It would be a large PR win. It would shift consoles. It would not significantly impact PSN sales of games (see how well PS1 games sold on the PS3). It would get people streaming/recording/screenshotting PS2 games. It would potentially give Sony data with which to convince publishers that putting in the work to secure a digital release for certain popular titles would be worth it.

I am about 50:50 on whether they will support disc based backwards compatibility. If they do not support it, the explanation will be that the emulation solution is not a simple "One fits all" solution, requiring game specific configuration, and the the burden of testing a decent portion of the PS2 library is too much. It won't be because of a desire to avoid cannibalizing digital sales.

PS2 BC didn't even sell PS3's back when the PS2 was the king of the world, the idea it'd shift consoles almost ten years later is absurd. The PS2 hasn't been relevant for years, we're the only people who give a shit about our PS2 collections.
 
I thought BC didn't matter a few years into the new generation.

Or at least, that's what I've been told on this forum.

people may deny it, but it was pretty obvious why some people were pushing that idea last year.

idk how any effort into allowing us to play our old games is a bad idea.
 
I thought BC didn't matter a few years into the new generation.

Or at least, that's what I've been told on this forum.

It matters a little more when you've got several companies competing for the same market and trying to one-up each other.
As someone who never owned a PS2, this is really fantastic news.
 
people may deny it, but it was pretty obvious why some people were pushing that idea last year.

idk how any effort into allowing us to play our old games is a bad idea.

I wholeheartedly agree. Especially if it comes at no additional cost for the consumer!

It matters a little more when you've got several companies competing for the same market and trying to one-up each other.
As someone who never owned a PS2, this is really fantastic news.

Also agreed. But when MS announced BC, there was a widespread "meh" in the forums, since it didn't matter now that there are plenty of new games.
 
Yeah so?
I did that ages ago.

In the case of Vita, only one account per machine. Can't play US PSP or PSX games on it.

plus, making Japanese or US accounts means that I have to acquire funds overseas somehow, as I can't use my credit card.

And then there's the matter of juggling different accounts.
 
I wholeheartedly agree. Especially if it comes at no additional cost for the consumer!

I hope the emulation is able to take advantage of some of the PS4's features like streaming and shareplay. I think integrating it into the system would help a lot vs it being just standalone.

* Siren
* War of the Monsters
* Rogue Galaxy

I can confirm that these 3 games are coming to PS4.

How so? War of the Monsters is a great choice. Such a good game.
 
Why? What's with this relentless effort to downplay what people can expect in these threads? There was never any reality to the idea that there's a real economic incentive to artificially exclude discs from this type of feature, and the Xbone BC feature that's been revealed in the interim should make that even more clear. The PS3 played PS1 discs and it had absolutely zero effect on the level of digital Classic sales -- the same would be true here, some people still have collections they might dip into but many people would still give a shot to older titles for the very first time via download.



In a world where a disc feature is released, this is pretty much what I'd expect -- disc games would always just run in normal or very slightly improved (a la PS2 -> PS1 support) fashion, while specific digital titles could be upgraded with improved rendering, trophies, etc. and sold digitally.

Don't forget that companies are usually pretty lethargic and slow when it comes to releasing their old games. They would usually rather be safe than sorry in terms of licensing and who owns what trademark/copyright, so they end up sitting on their old classic games for fear of legal repercussions that they have no idea about.

This is why disc-based emulation is also preferable, since it takes away the power from the companies to determine what gets emulated and what doesn't.
 
People expecting to have to rebuy classics they already bought off PSN should remember how good Sony have been with crossbuy even on new releases like sound shapes, journey etc. Obviously they may make us pay again but there's certainly a good track record for them not making us pay again even when work has been put in.
 
PS2 BC didn't even sell PS3's back when the PS2 was the king of the world, the idea it'd shift consoles almost ten years later is absurd. The PS2 hasn't been relevant for years, we're the only people who give a shit about our PS2 collections.

I'd love to hear your explanation for why BC PS3 consoles have always been more expensive than non-BC models on the secondary market.

It's not just the idea of being able to play PS2 games, but playing PS2 games with significant visual enhancements, particularly for modern displays. The sizable number of people that still play they extensive PS2 collections on PS2 or PS3 consoles would be extremely keen for an easy way to upgrade their entire collection. People on the fence between PS4/Xbox One (which are far closer in price than the PS3/360 were) might be tipped towards PS4.

It is a meaningful differentiator, and the PS3 had a whole host of problems putting people off from it that do not apply to the PS4.
 
Great news! If it's disc-based and region-free emulation then that'll be a dream come true. I've already got Boku no Natsuyasumi 2 for the PSP, but if Sony go all the way with this PS2 support then I'll import the PS2 version at the drop of a hat. Always wanted to play that version of the game much more, but obviously couldn't because of the PS2's region-locked architecture.

I'd import a shit load of other stuff too. All the Doko Demo Issho games for starters.
 
People expecting to have to rebuy classics they already bought off PSN should remember how good Sony have been with crossbuy even on new releases like sound shapes, journey etc. Obviously they may make us pay again but there's certainly a good track record for them not making us pay again even when work has been put in.

What about PS Now? Games you already own on PS3 digitally cannot be streamed for free.

PS2 classics on PSN aren't magically transferring over to PS4 anyway. Expect them to charge you for the work that goes into bringing them to PS4 with trophies etc.
 
I remember back at E3 when people were arguing about how BC wasn't that big of a deal. I'm glad they died out. BC should be a staple with each successive console.
People we're not arguing BC was a big deal, they were arguing it wasn't a big deal sales wise.

Backwards compatibility was made to stop the massive migration from 360 to PS4.

It's a huge deal for the core base, absolutely but the average consumer not gonna run out at this announcement and buy the respective console.
 
For some reason this concept makes people oddly angry, but I'm old enough to remember when this sort of thing was seen by Sony as part of their brand value. I'd love to see them get back to that; allowing PS2 discs to be played won't affect digital release sales any more than PS1 discs working in the PS3 did, so claiming this is impossible out of some shortsighted concept of what's "profitable" seems very foolish to me.

If it really comes down to it and there's no way to justify disc support as a pure freebie, just sell it as an unlock. I've certainly spent plenty of time advocating for the virtues of long-window backwards-compatibility, I'd be willing to drop $20 to unlock the emulator.

I would also pay for disc based BC, but I think the amount of good will Sony would get far surpasses any possible profit from such feature.
 
I guess it will be software emulation like what the PS3, PSVita and PSP got. I wonder what games are coming, will the PSVita also be getting some love? I need the answers.
 
I wholeheartedly agree. Especially if it comes at no additional cost for the consumer!

Also agreed. But when MS announced BC, there was a widespread "meh" in the forums, since it didn't matter now that there are plenty of new games.

I mean, speaking personally I'd like every platform to have full BC even though the reality is that I probably wouldn't use it much beyond the honeymoon period (I've barely played PS1 or PSP games on my Vita, for instance), but economically speaking I'm pretty sure it'll have little to no impact on the current console race. But as gamers we should all be welcoming this stuff every time whether it's PS2 or 360 emulation or whatever.
 
I had a thread where i was hopiing for games like half life, arcade games and just more games. I'd rather have these than most of the indie stuff anyways. Wish sony or MS would really push for mame and old games.
 
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