Sony confirms PS2 emulation coming to PS4

IMO, disk based or bust. I don't see many people paying twice for the games they already bought on the ps2.

considering many of us former PS2 owners dont have our discs anymore, I would disagree with you. It cant really be a bust having the option to buy a game again you played 15 years ago, as long as the prices are resonable.
 
Stop hoping for disc-based emulation, guys stahp.

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AFAIK, There was an actual ps1 chip on the motherboard of the ps2, so there's no emulation happening.

It was the sound chip but in later revisions they removed it and emulated PS1 games instead.

XB360 emulation works on XBO. And don't tell me that the Cell is too complicated. It was very similar to the PPC CPU in the 360 and the jaguar cores in the current gen consoles are the same, so there is no reason that it shouldn't work.

Similar != same. The Xenon (360 CPU) is basically three Cell PPEs, the Cell has one PPE and 7 operational SPEs. It's the SPEs that the Jaguar has no chance of emulating.

Anyway, I'm dreading the bitching thread once Sony announces they're not going to support physical. People say "physical support or bust" now but that didn't stop people buying a shitload of PS1 Classics on PS3/PSP/Vita.
 
considering many of us former PS2 owners dont have our discs anymore, I would disagree with you. It cant really be a bust having the option to buy a game again you played 15 years ago, as long as the prices are resonable.

I still have my discs, but I would gladly rebuy if it meant that all future consoles can play it.

The discs still work on my BC PS3.
 
Just wondering, how does Xbox One authenticate 360 disc based games? Can't people just abuse it?

Homemade burners cannot touch authentication sectors that original disc have. That is the most simplest way that consoles can detect if the disc is original or a copy. On Xbone, original disc has to be inside the drive if user wants to play the game [game itself is always downloaded from XBL and played off the hard drive].
 
Handle it like MS is or fuck off.

Tbh tho i can only think of one PS2 game i never played but have and that's xenosaga 3. RIP my OG fully BC PS3 ;_;
 
Really? The ps4 is more powerful than the ps3 I would find it hard to believe it is not capable of emulating it. The ps4 doesn't have the native ps2 chip either so it could use the same method for ps3. I was thinking the Ps4 could sandbox the emulator in the ps4 or something :/

Thanks to our old pal the Cell processor the PS4 emulating the PS3 is a physical impossibility, the PS4 would need a FAR stronger CPU.
 
Can't come soon enough. Digital Devil Saga, Final Fantasy XII, Rogue Galaxy, Silent Hill 2, REZ, Dark Cloud, and so many other games just needs to be played now.
 
Hoping the share button works. Always bothered me that on Vita you couldn't take screenshots of most PSP/PS1 games..

Does the share button work on the Star Wars games?
 
Hoping the share button works. Always bothered me that on Vita you couldn't take screenshots of most PSP/PS1 games..

Does the share button work on the Star Wars games?

Not going to happen, stop raising the bar of expectations.
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Yeah, it hasn't been that long, plus that it can upscale. Emulation that wasn't just plain emulation, but that could upscale the games too (with trophy support), which I don't think many expected, was rumored a while back.

That's one thing I hope Sony does do (trophy support) as well as Microsoft if they go through with original Xbox support themselves (given how they do it, Microsoft could add simple achievements to the original Xbox games). I'm glad both Microsoft and Sony are starting to realize that gamers don't want to lose access to their games. BC is becoming more and more important than ever in this digital age too.
 
The mere thought of potentially being able to play Shadow Hearts: Covenant on my PS4 makes me super excited.
I just realized something.....

These games have to be rated again like Dark Cloud 2 on PEGI. Verendus hinted that Shadow Hearts among some other classics will make its return on PS4. It all makes sense now :O

If Shadow Hearts gets released as PS2 classic on PS4 then Verendus redeemed. Same goes for the Xenosaga Trilogy.
 
XB360 emulation works on XBO. And don't tell me that the Cell is too complicated. It was very similar to the PPC CPU in the 360 and the jaguar cores in the current gen consoles are the same, so there is no reason that it shouldn't work.

The CELL BE processor is quite a lot more complex than Xenon is, quite a lot faster too, but taming it to both assist the GPU and improve graphics and gameplay/physics/etc... was not easy. Hence the gulf between some of the Multiplatform games and first party games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, GoW III, etc... We are talking about 2x or more the theoretical floating point performance difference.
 
I hope they finally release digital PS2 versions of the following games (EU/US store):

- Haunting Ground (only available in Japan)
- Silent Hill 2
- Silent Hill 3
- Silent Hill 4: The Room (only available in Japan)

And I also hope for PS1 emulation :)
 
Thanks to our old pal the Cell processor the PS4 emulating the PS3 is a physical impossibility, the PS4 would need a FAR stronger CPU.

You could try to offload most of the vector processing onto the GPU with GPU compute tasks, but splitting work like that would not be easy just for the sake of not keeping the CPU under-utilised. Still, you would need to allow the GPU to have enough juice to render the games too and yes if you just compare the processing power of the two systems it would seem workable, but having software tackle and use it for emulation this way would be veery hard on PS4 and you do already have the remoter of some of the most popular titles.
 
Source?

According to Wikipedia the PS2 has or had not only the SPU2, but also the PS1 CPU. They might have changed that later on, but initially it wasn't just the sound chip.

It was supposed to do I/O only in PS2 mode.

PS2 Slim dropped it, along with compatibility with a few PS1 games... and a few PS2 games whose devs didn't care too much and made the PS1 CPU do something else.
 
Really? The ps4 is more powerful than the ps3 I would find it hard to believe it is not capable of emulating it. The ps4 doesn't have the native ps2 chip either so it could use the same method for ps3. I was thinking the Ps4 could sandbox the emulator in the ps4 or something :/

Emulation essentially requires creating a virtual machine -- in this case, the ps3 with it's rather unique cell architecture -- and then, once you have that up and running, having it be able to run a game on top of that with flawless, or nearly flawless, precision. Depending on various factors, it generally requires a very significant power gap in order for one machine to emu another, and in the case of vastly differing architecture there can be other difficulties.
 
I hope they finally release digital PS2 versions of the following games (EU/US store):

- Haunting Ground (only available in Japan)
- Silent Hill 2
- Silent Hill 3
- Silent Hill 4: The Room (only available in Japan)

And I also hope for PS1 emulation :)

I really need this. Hope they add this time.
 
People arguing that there is no business case for supporting discs have a remarkable lack of imagination.

There is a business case for sure.

It would be a large PR win. It would shift consoles. It would not significantly impact PSN sales of games (see how well PS1 games sold on the PS3). It would get people streaming/recording/screenshotting PS2 games. It would potentially give Sony data with which to convince publishers that putting in the work to secure a digital release for certain popular titles would be worth it.

I am about 50:50 on whether they will support disc based backwards compatibility. If they do not support it, the explanation will be that the emulation solution is not a simple "One fits all" solution, requiring game specific configuration, and the the burden of testing a decent portion of the PS2 library is too much. It won't be because of a desire to avoid cannibalizing digital sales.
 
I hope this is similar to XB1s. PS2 has one of the best libraries and will be used extensively when I get mine. I gotta play The Warriors again.


I remember back at E3 when people were arguing about how BC wasn't that big of a deal. I'm glad they died out. BC should be a staple with each successive console.
 
I'm over the moon for xbox one backwards compatibility. Works well and I've been given gears of war collection for playing remastered gesrs of war which is awesome as I need played 3 or judgement.

I hope this also utilises what Microsoft have done. Pop disc in and download the game to the console as it would be the best way to do it.

Backwards compatibility is always seen as niche. But it can't hurt having it if it is done properly.
 
I'm not sure ps4 reads CDs

Sony first announced that PS4 don't read CD-ROMs, then later they announced that the drive is physically compatible but doesn't have function to play the contents.
This is straight out from my memory so someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
 
I'd be royally pissed if this is how we get FFXII on current gen. HD IZJS or get the FUCK out.

Good news tho.
Wasn't it leaked some time ago that the composer is working on the remaster? That wouldn't be something for an emulated game so I think we're safe on that end.
 
I just remembered SE is planning to sell FF7 HD, so at least PS1 games won't be up-resed without publisher's permission.. I think.
 
if they want to compete with MS's 360 BC then they need to make it disc based.

also I want it disc based because otherwise the chance of playing good tony hawk games on PS4 becomes 0 :(
 
I really doubt it will support discs.

Will likely be a 'you need to rebuy the digital emulated version'. Especially if the rumoured trophy support is added.

Will probably be a small selection of games scattered out over time.

I'd love to be wrong though.
 
People arguing that there is no business case for supporting discs have a remarkable lack of imagination.

There is a business case for sure.

It would be a large PR win. It would shift consoles. It would not significantly impact PSN sales of games (see how well PS1 games sold on the PS3). It would get people streaming/recording/screenshotting PS2 games. It would potentially give Sony data with which to convince publishers that putting in the work to secure a digital release for certain popular titles would be worth it.

I am about 50:50 on whether they will support disc based backwards compatibility. If they do not support it, the explanation will be that the emulation solution is not a simple "One fits all" solution, requiring game specific configuration, and the the burden of testing a decent portion of the PS2 library is too much. It won't be because of a desire to avoid cannibalizing digital sales.
Pretty much all it is. Like less than 5 % of owners .will ever use it.
 
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