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[Bo_Hazem]

Stop using that website lol
Take a look at Nintendo own financial report.

Where is the complete one year?

 

[drganon]

Barrons or Fortune mag had a Top 100 list in 1999 or 2000 and Enron was ranked #7 best company in the US. I remember seeing it myself. lol

If you ever want to lose complete faith in the stock market, banks, and the government, the documentary, The smartest guys in the room is a good watch.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Well, you know.... they're making very little and their debt is always going up.

They still have billions of cash.. you take on debt because the interest is lower than what you'll make off that spend. They plan to pay their debt back this year, with cash. You keep cash because currency is also a sort of investment.. can be used to secure debt.. you get rid of it based on inflation rates too. That's why everyone is dumping cash this last year, inflation.

They are somewhat of a risk; they aren't an old blue chip stock or anything like that.. but their plan essentially worked.

Bad investments happen.. the market gets this wrong.. Netflix is not one of those.

 

[kyoji]

Now this is what a gaming financial breakdown should look like.

 

[Bodomism]

Where is the complete one year?

Next week for total FY2020 report. Probably the highest ever operating profits in the history for video game industry.

Macrotrend bot is automatically assigned those percentage number without any data lol.

 

[FatKingBallman]

So looking at the trends XSX should be over 5 and heading toward 6, likely close to it and will pass it before E3. Which by that time Sony should be right next to 9.

Looking at the trends, Xseries is slightly behind Xbone, at the sme time-frame, Xbone was over 5 million sold. But demand is higher for XSX. Problem is XSS which is widely available and it is selling out slowly.
Sony sold almost 8 million by the end of the Mar. 31st. Almost is May. Till June it will be over 10 mil.

Of course, there's saying MS might get more console production than Sony but until that happens I'm going to assume the trends are locked until both actuall have enough stock for air to be breathed.

According to TSMC, Sony ordered 2:1 more wafers for PS5 than MS for Xbox. And also, PS5 has better yields

 

[ethomaz]

So looking at the trends XSX should be over 5 and heading toward 6, likely close to it and will pass it before E3. Which by that time Sony should be right next to 9.

Of course, there's saying MS might get more console production than Sony but until that happens I'm going to assume the trends are locked until both actuall have enough stock for air to be breathed.

If we take the other forum guesstimate it is probably near 5m but below it.

Credits to Welfare.

Gaming 2021: $3.533B
Gaming 2020: $2.349B

Content and services grew $739M, or 34%

Hardware grew 232%

Software 2021: $2.896B
Software 2020: $2.157B

+$739M / +34.26%

Hardware 2021: $637M (Total Gaming - Software)
Hardware 2020: $192M

x 3.318

$637M

Series X: $500 * 1,000,000 = $500M
Series S: $137M / $300 = 457K

Series X:S = 69:31

Total Q1 2021 = ~1.45M

 

[Dabaus]

Great numbers. But they missed analyst estimates. Stock is down 2.3% as I type.

Sony Plans $1.8 Billion Buyback As Profit Misses Estimates

(Bloomberg) -- Sony Group Corp. said it will buy back up to 200 billion yen ($1.8 billion) of its own shares after reporting quarterly profit below expectations.Operating profit in the March quarter was 66.5 billion yen, versus the 74 billion yen consensus among analysts. The company sold 3.3...

finance.yahoo.com

Operating profit in the March quarter was 66.5 billion yen, versus the 74 billion yen consensus among analysts. The company sold 3.3 million PlayStation 5 consoles in the period, tallying 7.8 million for the fiscal year for a slightly faster pace than with the previous hardware generation. Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said the company aims to sell more than 14.8 million units in the current year but warned the production bottleneck affecting the device will persist.

“Revenue from the PlayStation business as well as the music segment’s smartphone games missed a consensus of analysts who thought the stay-at-home demand would have propelled these business more,” said Hideki Yasuda, an analyst at Ace Research Institute.

Forgive my ignorance but what is the point of a company buying their own stock like this? More Independent ownership and relying less on investors?

Yup, I really dislike this style of investing in dribs and drabs....

They could have sizable chunks of prolific Japanese developers stock in their pocket instead.

They need to get some good studios in China, like MiHoYo or someone else and expand there and they need to lock down some great IP's that are staples of the industry as exclusives for good.

There are excellent options out there that would return massive revenue and possibly profits if managed well.

I think sony should double down what their good at which would be gaming, music, anime, cell phone games, and movies/tv shows. Id look for companies that do at least 2 of the 5 things. For example, kadakowa corp has a load of manga and has game studios. Square enix has like all of those things. More Anime studios and cell phone game companies. Maybe smaller independent movie studios but i wouldnt blow my total budget on movies. Thats me though.

Despite all the propaganda we hear about gamepass i think sony is in a good place but they cant have another Erickson cell phone acquisition bust that goes nowhere. If youre going to spend money make sure its something you actually want and not whats cheap and available.

 

[SportsFan581]

Revenues generated by Playstation division: $25b

Revenues generated by (Xbox, Surface, Windows) = $13b

Also: "Record operating income of $3.2Bn at the start of the generation (previous record - Nintendo $1.9Bn in FY ended March 31, 2007)" are you okay B Bodomism ?


Playstation is shattering records left and right , that won't set well with some people here

I hope this was in jest, because I'm pretty sure that Xbox, Surface, and Windows did better than 13b over the entire year.

 

[ethomaz]

I hope this was in jest, because I'm pretty sure that Xbox, Surface, and Windows did better than 13b over the entire year.

I believe he mistook the FY results (Sony) with quarter (MS).

 

[Bryank75]

Forgive my ignorance but what is the point of a company buying their own stock like this? More Independent ownership and relying less on investors?

I think sony should double down what their good at which would be gaming, music, anime, cell phone games, and movies/tv shows. Id look for companies that do at least 2 of the 5 things. For example, kadakowa corp has a load of manga and has game studios. Square enix has like all of those things. More Anime studios and cell phone game companies. Maybe smaller independent movie studios but i wouldnt blow my total budget on movies. Thats me though.

Despite all the propaganda we hear about gamepass i think sony is in a good place but they cant have another Erickson cell phone acquisition bust that goes nowhere. If youre going to spend money make sure its something you actually want and not whats cheap and available.

I agree. I think they are very foolish not to get them now..... the prices are going up all the time for those companies. They have so little debt, they could just get them both with debt alone and have a massive expansion, integrate all the publishing and lower costs all round.
450 million into Epic is such a waste and they have about 16 billion in M3 inc and 5.5 or 6 billion in Bilibili....... M3 is doing nothing for them now. They could have Capcom and Square for for that much money. It's really frustrating.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Forgive my ignorance but what is the point of a company buying their own stock like this? More Independent ownership and relying less on investors?

I think sony should double down what their good at which would be gaming, music, anime, cell phone games, and movies/tv shows. Id look for companies that do at least 2 of the 5 things. For example, kadakowa corp has a load of manga and has game studios. Square enix has like all of those things. More Anime studios and cell phone game companies. Maybe smaller independent movie studios but i wouldnt blow my total budget on movies. Thats me though.

Despite all the propaganda we hear about gamepass i think sony is in a good place but they cant have another Erickson cell phone acquisition bust that goes nowhere. If youre going to spend money make sure its something you actually want and not whats cheap and available.

When companies have a ton of cash and they dont know what to do with it, they can buy back stock from the open market.

This reduces the amount of outstanding shares out, and in theory should boost it's stock price and corporate owns a higher stake. Assuming any dividend payout (let's say a company pays out $1 million of dividends per year), the amount of dividends it pays out will increase per share because now that $1 million is split across fewer shares.

Another way to use up tons of money is give out a special one time dividend to shareholders. Depending on the company, some companies do one way, some the other way.

Another way is to pay off debts, loans and cash in early (pay off) any notes they issued to the market (not shares). Sometimes you'll see a company call in and redeem notes due years out and cash them out now.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Revenues generated by Playstation division: $25b

Revenues generated by (Xbox, Surface, Windows) = $13b

That 13 billion number is for this last quarter...

 

[Bryank75]

1.8 Billion to buyback stock, which has no guaranteed benefit to the company longterm..... instead of using that money for acquisitions. It would buy half of Sega and 70% of Kadokawa or loads and loads of great independent studios.

What is the CEO / CFO thinking?

 

[Dabaus]

1.8 Billion to buyback stock, which has no guaranteed benefit to the company longterm..... instead of using that money for acquisitions. It would buy half of Sega and 70% of Kadokawa or loads and loads of great independent studios.

What is the CEO / CFO thinking?

I think the reality is, is that while playstation is important to sony, theyre not playstation fanboys like us. To them its just another way to make money, to us its a hobby that we're passionate about. In my opinion its a short sighted point of view but for sony why buy the cow when you can get the milk already? The thing i dont understand about that is these square and capcom games sell like 10 million a piece on playstation, why not make that first party so you can double up on profit for each sales sold not including digital download which be 100 percent profit? Oh well.

 

[Thirty7ven]

1.8 Billion to buyback stock, which has no guaranteed benefit to the company longterm..... instead of using that money for acquisitions. It would buy half of Sega and 70% of Kadokawa or loads and loads of great independent studios.

What is the CEO / CFO thinking?

He's thinking they have too much cash on hand and don't know what do with it. So they buyback stocks. yay

 

[Bryank75]

I think the reality is, is that while playstation is important to sony, theyre not playstation fanboys like us. To them its just another way to make money, to us its a hobby that we're passionate about. In my opinion its a short sighted point of view but for sony why buy the cow when you can get the milk already? The thing i dont understand about that is these square and capcom games sell like 10 million a piece on playstation, why not make that first party so you can double up on profit for each sales sold not including digital download which be 100 percent profit? Oh well.

Exactly and they would only need one publishing operation, so whichever one they bought would be even more efficient due to not having to prop up their own publishing arm. They could just focus on games and benefit from the ICE team and other support teams to make their work higher quality and faster.

Then use the IP's in anime and film. Use Sony music to record and distribute soundtracks. It all fits.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Buybacks aren't strategic investments. It's just a tax efficient way to give money to shareholders

 

[StreetsofBeige]

1.8 Billion to buyback stock, which has no guaranteed benefit to the company longterm..... instead of using that money for acquisitions. It would buy half of Sega and 70% of Kadokawa or loads and loads of great independent studios.

What is the CEO / CFO thinking?

They can still do both.

But if their key focus now on spare money is buying back shares to increase share price, it shows their focus is boosting shareholder value.

This goes hand in hand with Jim gutting Japan studio as execs decided whatever sales and and profits they bring in isn't worth the headcount.

Even if Japan studios is profitable, the profitability on the division might be so low it drags down the ROI % and profit % down so it might be worth sacrificing $$$ for a boost in %.

My company does the same. Some brands are gutted though they still make a bit of profit $. But get rid of them and the % metrics zoom up the charts.

 

[Bryank75]

He's thinking they have too much cash on hand and don't know what do with it. So they buyback stocks. yay

I cannot describe my frustration right now....

 

[ethomaz]

1.8 Billion to buyback stock, which has no guaranteed benefit to the company longterm..... instead of using that money for acquisitions. It would buy half of Sega and 70% of Kadokawa or loads and loads of great independent studios.

What is the CEO / CFO thinking?

Actually most companies do that when there is too much money on hands.
They can sell it late if they need money for a big acquisition for example.

The point I guess is that big acquisitions takes time and while that the money is being used to get some profit.

 

[Bryank75]

Actually most companies do that when there is too much money on hands.

Yeah but they just had a buy back recently and none of the investors sold their stock back.....

They definitely don't have too much cash on hand, nobody ever has. I wish Kaz was still CEO, Ken Yoshida sucks...

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

Meanwhile you've been out here stanning for Microsoft for months despite them being light on that very subject since the start of the generation and it doesn't look like that's changing any time soon.

Funny how that works.

If you are a "gamer first" then why are you pumping a company that isn't actually releasing games?

"Stanning" is a strong word considering I have no problem admitting their lack of content.

Meanwhile you've been out here ankles in hand pretending Sony has really killed it with the Remake, Tech demo, and game dlc disguised as games since the start of this generation. While I'm sure your definition of "soon" is most likely defined as the exact date that Ratchet and Clank releases. Over the next 6 months or year do you foresee the PS5 as being bombarded with games, while the Series X/S won't?

Funny how that works isn't it? One of us is in touch with reality, while the other isn't.

As to the answer of your question? It's simple really...
I played Demon Souls over a decade ago, didnt get a chance to fiddle with the tech demo before the dualsense trigger literally fell apart, and despite what you vomit onto your keyboard, there's games that can be played that aren't first party. There's over 2,400 games on the xbox marketplace available to download and purchase.

The point I was trying to make was that there are two threads right now regarding earnings. While there are people in the Xbox thread happy to see it doing well, there doesn't appear to be many people simply supporting Xbox based solely because of how much revenue it made, or dismissing issues (such as first party output for example) because of it. While this thread has several people dismissing issues (Such as the recent decisions Jim Ryan has made) based solely on the revenue. How does that work? If Sony makes so many billions, that means Ryan's decision to shuttle those Japanese studios automatically becomes good?

 

[Thirty7ven]

I agree. I think they are very foolish not to get them now..... the prices are going up all the time for those companies. They have so little debt, they could just get them both with debt alone and have a massive expansion, integrate all the publishing and lower costs all round.
450 million into Epic is such a waste and they have about 16 billion in M3 inc and 5.5 or 6 billion in Bilibili....... M3 is doing nothing for them now. They could have Capcom and Square for for that much money. It's really frustrating.

Square Enix should be the target. Anime, movies, mobile, manga, games. They have the IPs that would complement every single venture, it's a perfect match. But sure, let's wait for Tencent to buy them out and in meanwhile drop hundreds of millions on them to secure timed exclusives... it's a shit show.

 

[Dabaus]

Exactly and they would only need one publishing operation, so whichever one they bought would be even more efficient due to not having to prop up their own publishing arm. They could just focus on games and benefit from the ICE team and other support teams to make their work higher quality and faster.

Then use the IP's in anime and film. Use Sony music to record and distribute soundtracks. It all fits.

To be fair all of this consolidation is a relatively new phenomenon in the games industry and sonys partners may just not be willing to sell at the moment, even to them. But yes its head scratching that Ms, Embracer, and tencent gobble studios up sony seemingly isnt making moves for even smaller studios like blue point or house marque. You can only deny reality for so long.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Next week for total FY2020 report. Probably the highest ever operating profits in the history for video game industry.

Macrotrend bot is automatically assigned those percentage number without any data lol.

Well great, I love Nintendo.

 

[Bryank75]

Square Enix should be the target. Anime, movies, mobile, manga, games. They have the IPs that would complement every single venture, it's a perfect match. But sure, let's wait for Tencent to buy them out and in meanwhile drop hundreds of millions on them to secure timed exclusives... it's a shit show.

To be fair all of this consolidation is a relatively new phenomenon in the games industry and sonys partners may just not be willing to sell at the moment, even to them. But yes its head scratching that Ms, Embracer, and tencent gobble studios up sony seemingly isnt making moves for even smaller studios like blue point or house marque. You can only deny reality for so long.

It's good to know there are people more or less on the same page as me....

 

[nowhat]

I wish Kaz was still CEO, Ken Yoshida sucks...

Just admit it, you wish you were the CEO. Certainly try to act as one.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Next week for total FY2020 report. Probably the highest ever operating profits in the history for video game industry.

Macrotrend bot is automatically assigned those percentage number without any data lol.

 

[Thirty7ven]

To be fair all of this consolidation is a relatively new phenomenon in the games industry and sonys partners may just not be willing to sell at the moment, even to them. But yes its head scratching that Ms, Embracer, and tencent gobble studios up sony seemingly isnt making moves for even smaller studios like blue point or house marque. You can only deny reality for so long.

This is what sucks. And we can look at Insomniac, and more than ever I believe that it was a case of Ted Price coming to Sony because they had an offer from somewhere else. Sony wouldn't have bought them otherwise. The problem with that is that it's bound to go the other way with other studios.

 

[ethomaz]

Just admit it, you wish you were the CEO. Certainly try to act as one.

If you put his face now in that gif of R&C with Jim face it could be perfection.

 

[Dabaus]

Square Enix should be the target. Anime, movies, mobile, manga, games. They have the IPs that would complement every single venture, it's a perfect match. But sure, let's wait for Tencent to buy them out and in meanwhile drop hundreds of millions on them to secure timed exclusives... it's a shit show.

At the very least they could invest like a billion or 2 in stock or something to make statement to other would be suitors.

 

[Bryank75]

Just admit it, you wish you were the CEO. Certainly try to act as one.

It would be wild but I think running a small business is more my type of thing.

 

[nowhat]

It would be wild but I think running a small business is more my type of thing.

Try larping that role instead? Just a thought.

 

[ethomaz]

It would be wild but I think running a small business is more my type of thing.

Are you really refusing that big yearly bonus?

 

[Bryank75]

Try larping that role instead? Just a thought.

I don't have to....

Well, we are closed till after the lockdown ends. Why are you so aggressive anyway?

 

[ToadMan]

Record operating income for Playstation division = $3.15bn(full FY2020)

Operating income for Nintendo in the FY2020 without Q4(we're going to get next week) = $4.8bn

I don't get why are you laughing when Nintendo is making nearly 2 times more than Playstation division record profit lol.

We are going to have a full profit comparison thread after Nintendo financial report.

Hoping for you to be there as well.

Sony just launched a console. Nintendo didn’t.

Jesus please don’t invest in your own stock - get an adult to help you.

 

[nowhat]

Well, we are closed till after the lockdown ends. Why are you so aggressive anyway?

I'm not agressive, just apathetic and awaiting for the next inevitable thread.

 

[Unknown?]

"Stanning" is a strong word considering I have no problem admitting their lack of content.

Meanwhile you've been out here ankles in hand pretending Sony has really killed it with the Remake, Tech demo, and game dlc disguised as games since the start of this generation. While I'm sure your definition of "soon" is most likely defined as the exact date that Ratchet and Clank releases. Over the next 6 months or year do you foresee the PS5 as being bombarded with games, while the Series X/S won't?

Funny how that works isn't it? One of us is in touch with reality, while the other isn't.

As to the answer of your question? It's simple really...
I played Demon Souls over a decade ago, didnt get a chance to fiddle with the tech demo before the dualsense trigger literally fell apart, and despite what you vomit onto your keyboard, there's games that can be played that aren't first party. There's over 2,400 games on the xbox marketplace available to download and purchase.

The point I was trying to make was that there are two threads right now regarding earnings. While there are people in the Xbox thread happy to see it doing well, there doesn't appear to be many people simply supporting Xbox based solely because of how much revenue it made, or dismissing issues (such as first party output for example) because of it. While this thread has several people dismissing issues (Such as the recent decisions Jim Ryan has made) based solely on the revenue. How does that work? If Sony makes so many billions, that means Ryan's decision to shuttle those Japanese studios automatically becomes good?

Damn dude, you're bitter.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

I was guessing, but thanks for confirming.

While people who have seen what Sony is packing...

You stated it as a fact, therefore no confirmation is possible. You also missed the word "apparently" in my post which would also exclude me from confirming anything.

Either way you're obviously interested in dick, as that has been the object of every post in thread if I'm not mistaken. So go eat some, and get your fill of it. Maybe that would take your mind off of it.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Sony just launched a console. Nintendo didn’t.

Jesus please don’t invest in your own stock - get an adult to help you.

Their first time breaking the cycle of losing money during console launches.

 

[Yselacrey00]

Great results in the middle of a pandemic where component supply constraints are a reality.

I remember Jym Ryan said there would be more PS5s than PS4s at launch. What happened? He said that just a couple weeks before launch and now we see they've only sold 200k more in the middle of a pandemic where people are reciben their stimulus checks and unemployments and have nothing else to do but to play games. And don't get me started with the supposed supply constraints because if Apple can sell 200 million phones then no one has an excuse.

 

[Unknown?]

I remember Jym Ryan said there would be more PS5s than PS4s at launch. What happened? He said that just a couple weeks before launch and now we see they've only sold 200k more in the middle of a pandemic where people are reciben their stimulus checks and unemployments and have nothing else to do but to play games. And don't get me started with the supposed supply constraints because if Apple can sell 200 million phones then no one has an excuse.

Do you know how much more complicated a gaming console is to build compared to a mobile phone? This size alone should be a hint.

 

[KingT731]

This is what sucks. And we can look at Insomniac, and more than ever I believe that it was a case of Ted Price coming to Sony because they had an offer from somewhere else. Sony wouldn't have bought them otherwise. The problem with that is that it's bound to go the other way with other studios.

Insomniac already said Sony wanted to buy them years ago and they declined (valuing their independence). I'm assuming Sony brought the talks back after approaching them to work on a Marvel game which they chose Spider-man.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I remember Jym Ryan said there would be more PS5s than PS4s at launch. What happened? He said that just a couple weeks before launch and now we see they've only sold 200k more in the middle of a pandemic where people are reciben their stimulus checks and unemployments and have nothing else to do but to play games. And don't get me started with the supposed supply constraints because if Apple can sell 200 million phones then no one has an excuse.

 

[BootsLoader]

But….but….

 

[Dabaus]

Yeah but they just had a buy back recently and none of the investors sold their stock back.....

They definitely don't have too much cash on hand, nobody ever has. I wish Kaz was still CEO, Ken Yoshida sucks...

I know this may be hard to believe but on one the most recent BRAP, Basement Radio Arcade Podcasts, there was an official playstation rep or employee on the show. Heres what he had to say about everything that transpired the last month:

-Jim Ryan is awesome because he cares about minorities and diversity in the work place. and how sony is fully behind the verdict of the George Floyd case.
-You may not want a last of us remake but "lets face it, youll buy it anyways."
-I didnt listen to the whole thing and most of the other podcasters went on rants that I persoanlly woudlnt have went on if a freaking sony rep was on my show.

Like this was after a bad month of press this is what the sony rep wanted BRAP to focus on to make him/us think playstation is doing just fine. Look everyone has opinions but that seems like a bizarre and arrogant way of thinking thats going to make people think youre making good business decisions.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Insomniac already said Sony wanted to buy them years ago and they declined (valuing their independence). I'm assuming Sony brought the talks back after approaching them to work on a Marvel game which they chose Spider-man.

It’s possible, it’s possible they had first dibs either through a gentleman’s agreement too or something else also. But that makes sense, as way of securing Spider-Man for the future that they would buy Insomniac. It will be hard for another studio to start Spider-Man from scratch after they have set the standard. It would be a big undertaking, that’s for sure, unless they wanna go back to the times of Activision.

 

[ToadMan]

Their first time breaking the cycle of losing money during console launches.

Yes it is but not comparable to Nintendo who are currently making money off of old tech and stock.

Also Nintendo makes a profit from its hardware - Sony and MS don’t (at least at launch) - so a successful PS5 launch in fact reduces Sony’s margins now in the expectation of greater returns later ...

 

[Bryank75]

I know this may be hard to believe but on one the most recent BRAP, Basement Radio Arcade Podcasts, there was an official playstation rep or employee on the show. Heres what he had to say about everything that transpired the last month:

-Jim Ryan is awesome because he cares about minorities and diversity in the work place. and how sony is fully behind the verdict of the George Floyd case.
-You may not want a last of us remake but "lets face it, youll buy it anyways."
-I didnt listen to the whole thing and most of the other podcasters went on rants that I persoanlly woudlnt have went on if a freaking sony rep was on my show.

Like this was after a bad month of press this is what the sony rep wanted BRAP to focus on to make him/us think playstation is doing just fine. Look everyone has opinions but that seems like a bizarre and arrogant way of thinking thats going to make people think youre making good business decisions.

Could you shoot me a link to that episode?

Is that Enrique (BRAP)? Who used to be on GAF?