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[Buggy Loop]

Yep. Seen that with all these Switch 2 DF threads already. Jumping from one goalpost to another as it fits the situation. I'm just bailing out of conversations at this point when the arguments become so absurdly contrived.

You bail out on imaginary goalposts when its clear as day what Switch is since 2017 while ignoring the peoples feigning ignorance that Switch is hybrid and do exactly what you accuse the other camp of doing with claiming it is a handheld for sales that's why its selling so good but that its weak console junk when it comes to spec? But also a bingo when someone makes up a fanfic scenario that somehow the console would have remained the same power envelope if it had been 100% a console and it would have flopped?

Yea, that's me bailing out on this conversation with the local senile grandpa yelling at clouds

 

[Topher]

You bail out on imaginary goalposts when its clear as day what Switch is since 2017 while ignoring the peoples feigning ignorance that Switch is hybrid and do exactly what you accuse the other camp of doing with claiming it is a handheld for sales that's why its selling so good but that its weak console junk when it comes to spec? But also a bingo when someone makes up a fanfic scenario that somehow the console would have remained the same power envelope if it had been 100% a console and it would have flopped?

Yea, that's me bailing out on this conversation with the local senile grandpa yelling at clouds

Yes, Switch wouldn't be nearly as popular if it were not a handheld. And yes, it is weak when compared to other consoles. Those statements do not contradict each other. I don't know what you are talking about as far as the "fanfic scenario". My "bingo" clearly quoted DeepEnigma 's take that Switch wouldn't be as successful if it were a traditional console. No idea why that is controversial.

"senile grandpa"

 

[Walter Matthau]

95% buy it due to it being a handheld. This thing would have been a dud it it were a "traditional console."

It wouldn't have been $300 if it was just a traditional home console. PS4 was already selling at $249 in the US the holiday prior.

I think the main appeal of the Switch beyond the game lineup is the hybrid nature of the console. Being able to play on the go, but getting a little boost to the visuals when playing on the big screen. No weird setup, just set it in the dock and you have two controllers ready to play.

Attributing Switch sales to it being a handheld is a little simplistic. The Switch Lite accounts for less than 20% of all Switch sales despite being the slightly more ergonomic portable experience and selling at a significantly lower price.

The customer is paying a premium price to have hybrid which is something the doom and gloomers in the infamous "Betting Time" thread couldn't wrap their head around because they either got too hung up on how much it cost compared to prior handhelds or what it cost compared to consoles with higher graphics capabilities.

 

[Woopah]

oh they do, this is rivalry. Sony even revised PS2 sold number 13 years after the last PS2 shipment, from 155m to 160m to make it unreachable. I think they're going to revise it again once Switch number got closer

If you think they can just revise it again, youn don't understand where the first revision came from.

I saw that they predict 4.5 million Switch 2 sales this year. That seems low to me, but that may be all they can manufacture.

They predict 4.5 million for the original Switch. For

Yep. Seen that with all these Switch 2 DF threads already. Jumping from one goalpost to another as it fits the situation. I'm just bailing out of conversations at this point when the arguments become so absurdly contrived.

I don't need the marketing speak about traditional IPC hardware that portable devices have been using and plane switching power outputs whether it plugs into the wall or doesn't. Something cell phones and laptops have also been doing due to the same tech for decades.

95% buy it due to it being a handheld. This thing would have been a dud it it were a "traditional console."

It it true that Switch would have lost a lot of appeal if it was only a home console, but it also would have lost a lot of appeal if it was only a handheld.

The majority of users use it as a hybrid. It needed both aspects to be as successful as it was.

 

[DeepEnigma]

but it also would have lost a lot of appeal if it was only a handheld.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Yes, Switch wouldn't be nearly as popular if it were not a handheld. And yes, it is weak when compared to other consoles. Those statements do not contradict each other. I don't know what you are talking about as far as the "fanfic scenario". My "bingo" clearly quoted DeepEnigma 's take that Switch wouldn't be as successful if it were a traditional console. No idea why that is controversial.

Would it even be a switch if it was a traditional console? What's the power envelope? What's the gimmick? Its fanfic.

 

[Topher]

If you think

They predict 4.5 million for the original Switch. For


It it true that Switch would have lost a lot of appeal if it was only a home console, but it also would have lost a lot of appeal if it was only a handheld.

The majority of users use it as a hybrid. It needed both aspects to be as successful as it was.

I think it is used primarily as a handheld. Nintendo has dominated the handheld space even in years when it has sucked in trad consoles. Also, the fact that we have a lite handheld-only version of Switch, but not a dedicated console version is telling. Having said that, there is definitely some appeal for many in its versatility, but that leans heavily on the handheld side.

Would it even be a switch if it was a traditional console? What's the power envelope? What's the gimmick? Its fanfic.

No, it wouldn't. It would be a traditiona console that most would not care about. That's the point.

 

[Woopah]

If its handheld only you lose all the local TV multiplayer functionality, which is key part of Nintendo's identity (Mario Kart, Smash Bros. etc.)

You'd also lose some massively popular Switch titles like Ring Fit Adventure, Super Mario Party and Switch Sports.

 

[Buggy Loop]

No, it wouldn't. It would be a traditiona console that most would not care about. That's the point.

20% use Switch primarely as console vs 30% that use it primarely as handheld

Its not that clear cut. With 50% that go back and forth between modes for its hybrid nature.

No, there's no certainty that peoples would not care about it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

20% use Switch primarely as console vs 30% that use it primarely as handheld

And 50% just don't play it at all?

Stats are weird sometimes.

 

[Topher]

20% use Switch primarely as console vs 30% that use it primarely as handheld

Its not that clear cut. With 50% that go back and forth between modes for its hybrid nature.

No, there's no certainty that peoples would not care about it.

Yeah, but the real question is would they have bought Switch in the first place if it couldn't be used as a handheld. It is speculation, but I think the answer is no for most.

 

[Hyet]

Switch Lite is handheld only and it's the least sold model despite being the cheapest, so the hybrid nature of the console is a good enough hook for people to choose it over saving good money.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Switch Lite is handheld only and it's the least sold model despite being the cheapest, so the hybrid nature of the console is a good enough hook for people to choose it over saving good money.

It's also the ugliest with a worse screen. The OLED outsells it all the time, I believe.

Their number one selling hardware of all time, by far, were their handhelds. 99% of Japan is all handheld mode.

Yes, stats from my ass, but everyone on here, even the fanatics, call it a handheld stronghold.

 

[Closer]

And 50% just don't play it at all?

Stats are weird sometimes.

Only for those that don't understand it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Only for those that don't understand it.

So tell me, what do the other 50% do? He wasn't able to explain it.

 

[Closer]

So tell me, what do the other 50% do? He wasn't able to explain it.

This is you rn:

50% of Switch users don't use the Switch.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is you rn:

50% os Switch users didn't use the Switch.

This is you right now,

 

[Hyet]

It's also the ugliest with a worse screen. The OLED outsells it all the time, I believe.

An the regular Switch outsold the OLED. Moot point to this discussion since both are hybrid.

Their number one selling hardware of all time were their handhelds

Not for long.

99% of Japan is all handheld mode.

Yes, but the US is their biggest market.

on here, even the fanatics, call it a handheld stronghold

If fanatics on a internet forum say it it must be true!

 

[Closer]

This is you right now,

Is it really a joke or something else?

I'm not a native english speaker but understood what he said pretty clearly. In a group of 100% Switch users, 20% use it primarily as console, 30% use it primarily as handheld, 50% use it one way or another, without a "primarily" preference.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Is it really a joke or something else?

I'm not a native english speaker but understood what he said pretty clearly. In a group of 100% Switch users, 20% use it primarily as console, 30% use it primarily as handheld, 50% use it one way or another, without a "primarily" preference.

Yes, it's called being facetious.

 

[Inanilmaz]

Yes, but let's not act like $130 in 2008 is like $130, now. $130 in 2008 is like $193 in 2025. Not much cheaper than the $199 for the Switch Lite.

PS2 also had direct competition from 3 newer consoles at that time, one being its own successor.

And don't forget the fact, 2 billion less people on earth at that time. And no social media for hyping up. The PS2 was a beast!!

 

[Woopah]

I think it is used primarily as a handheld. Nintendo has dominated the handheld space even in years when it has sucked in trad consoles. Also, the fact that we have a lite handheld-only version of Switch, but not a dedicated console version is telling. Having said that, there is definitely some appeal for many in its versatility, but that leans heavily on the handheld side.



No, it wouldn't. It would be a traditiona console that most would not care about. That's the point.

They only suck at home consoles if you ignore the Wii.

The family/casual demographic which made that console popular are also a big part of the Switch audience. That's why Ring Fit and Switch Sports each sold more than 15 million copies. Those sale figures aren't possible if people are using Switch just as a handheld.

The Wii audience was also far more into Mario Kart than the DS or 3DS audience. If people couldn't play multiplayer Mario Kart 8 DX on the TV, it's sales figures would have been a lot lower.

It's also the ugliest with a worse screen. The OLED outsells it all the time, I believe.

Their number one selling hardware of all time, by far, were their handhelds. 99% of Japan is all handheld mode.

Yes, stats from my ass, but everyone on here, even the fanatics, call it a handheld stronghold.

Even in Japan lots of people play Switch on the TV. We can see that from the marketing and software sales.

 

[Closer]

Yes, it's called being facetious.

And a lost cause.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And a lost cause.

 

[blacktout]

And 50% just don't play it at all?

Stats are weird sometimes.

... Did you just not read his next two sentences or what?

Anyway, as Hyet said, this really isn't a hypothetical: The Switch Lite exists and it has been outsold since its launch by both of the hybrid models, including the OG Switch which has no OLED screen and a worse battery life than the Lite. People are not paying $100 extra just to be able to slide off the joy-cons. They're paying for the flexibility of being able to choose between playing handheld and on a TV.

This has been central to Nintendo's advertising strategy for the system since day one, and it's backed up by their usage stats, and by sales data, and by literally every other metric we have access to. Insisting otherwise is just evidence of profound motivated reasoning.

 

[DeepEnigma]

... Did you just not read his next two sentences or what?

 

[Walter Matthau]

It's also the ugliest with a worse screen. The OLED outsells it all the time, I believe.

Their number one selling hardware of all time, by far, were their handhelds. 99% of Japan is all handheld mode.

Yes, stats from my ass, but everyone on here, even the fanatics, call it a handheld stronghold.

Didn't Ring Fit sell like 4m copies in Japan?

Anyway, if the Switch is only selling by virtue that it's a handheld or hybrid then their competitors should have been in on the action for the past decade instead of letting Nintendo scoop up all the easy money.

 

[Ogbert]

Do we know what Sony first party sales look like for roughly the same period?

Not fanboying. Sony has an extremely strong first party catelogue.

It's just that those Nintendo numbers are ridiculous.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Didn't Ring Fit sell like 4m copies in Japan?

Anyway, if the Switch is only selling by virtue that it's a handheld or hybrid then their competitors should have been in on the action for the past decade instead of letting Nintendo scoop up all the easy money.

Thank goodness the competitors didn't.

 

[LordOcidax]

People discussing if the Switch is an hybrid or a Handheld…

 

[Hyet]

Thank goodness the competitors didn't.

 

[Azelover]

Will outsell PS2. Impressive.

It's easy. All they have to do is invent an aproximation and announce it ten years from now.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Don't be retarded. Glad there's a variety in entertainment choices and not everyone is an Android or iPhone.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Awesome. I hope the Switch 2 can continue the success.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Do we know what Sony first party sales look like for roughly the same period?

Not fanboying. Sony has an extremely strong first party catelogue.

It's just that those Nintendo numbers are ridiculous.

Hard to compare, because PlayStation has much more 3rd party games to offer. So people are more likely to buy the Nintendo games even tho they don't get marketed much and don't drop in price. Astro Bots probably would have already sold >10 millions if it was from Nintendo. But the selection on PS is much bigger, so Sony has to spend a fortune on marketing which they didn't for Astro Bots. That's why this 90+ game of the year only has 4m players.

 

[LordOcidax]

 

[noob smokes]

Ps2 still the goat

 

[Woopah]

Do we know what Sony first party sales look like for roughly the same period?

Not fanboying. Sony has an extremely strong first party catelogue.

It's just that those Nintendo numbers are ridiculous.

Sony's report for Q4 comes out later. We can see what they say.

 

[Topher]

They only suck at home consoles if you ignore the Wii.

Ok, but that's not what I said.

"Nintendo has dominated the handheld space even in years when it has sucked in trad consoles."

The point being made was that Nintendo handhelds have consistently outsold their home console counterparts. I think it is pretty obvious that Switch was a lean into their strength in handheld while not completely abandoning home console. It was ingenious. Like I said above, part of that success is its versatility.

 

[LordOcidax]

Do we know what Sony first party sales look like for roughly the same period?

Not fanboying. Sony has an extremely strong first party catelogue.

It's just that those Nintendo numbers are ridiculous.

Nothing come close to Nintendo when is about first party games sales, but the Sony Financial report is on May 13 i think.

 

[CobraAB]

Sony just announced they found a warehouse full of PS2 Mini's. Will go on sale soon for $49.99.

Nintendo software sales are just incredible.

I would buy one now!

 

[Celine]

Switch is close to pass NDS, should do it in the next two quarters.

 

[Woopah]

Ok, but that's not what I said.

"Nintendo has dominated the handheld space even in years when it has sucked in trad consoles."

The point being made was that Nintendo handhelds have consistently outsold their home console counterparts. I think it is pretty obvious that Switch was a lean into their strength in handheld while not completely abandoning home console. It was ingenious. Like I said above, part of that success is its versatility.

Sorry for misreading.

It was definitely a lean into their handheld strength, but it also leaned into the parts of home consoles they are strong in (local multiplayer and motion control).

It's primarily used as both a handheld and a console, not as one or the other.

 

[Warspite]

Kirby and the Forgotten Land: 7.52m

Surprise of the Switch for me, didn't expect it to be that good a game, glad to see it doing well.

 

[Hyet]

Don't be retarded. Glad there's a variety in entertainment choices and not everyone is an Android or iPhone.

That's an XBOX

 

[Topher]

Sorry for misreading.

It was definitely a lean into their handheld strength, but it also leaned into the parts of home consoles they are strong in (local multiplayer and motion control).

It's primarily used as both a handheld and a console, not as one or the other.

The point that was made was that it would not be nearly as successful if it were only a home console. Separate those functions into different devices and Nintendo handheld outsells the Nintendo console by a quite a bit. The sales of Nintendo handhelds ranges from 75 to 154 million units sold. The range of Nintendo home consoles is 13 to 100 million. One strength clearly dominates the other.

 

[Woopah]

The point that was made was that it would not be nearly as successful if it were only a home console. Separate those functions into different devices and Nintendo handheld outsells the Nintendo console by a quite a bit. The sales of Nintendo handhelds ranges from 75 to 154 million units sold. The range of Nintendo home consoles is 13 to 100 million. One strength clearly dominates the other.

Sure, but it would also not be nearly as successful if it were only a portable. The audience that took the DS to 154 million is on mobile now.

 

[Topher]

Sure, but it would also not be nearly as successful if it were only a portable. The audience that took the DS to 154 million is on mobile now.

3DS did 70-ish million units toe to toe with mobile in its six years on the market before Switch was released.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Updated Best Selling Titles Units

IR Information : Sales Data - Top Selling Title Sales Units

www.nintendo.co.jp

More detailed result is here

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2025/250508e.pdf

Nintendo Co., Ltd. : Investor Relations Information

www.nintendo.co.jp

Nintendo Switch was the equivalent of Sony's Playstation 2.

 

[L*][*N*K]

Will outsell PS2. Impressive.

Now that the 160m gambit didn't work they are using a new thing where they call Switch a 3DS successor, as in it is not a console. What a cult.