Sony Gamescom: PS4 install base exceeded 10 million units sold through globally.
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Michael F. Assbender
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Guys, the PS4 has no games. What you and I have been doing is experiencing those "lucid dreams" Peter Moore was talking about when the Xbox 360 first launched. It's all imaginary.
Give me a fucking break.
Omnistalgic
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Does Sony have the weakest first party IP? I thought that was just a myth because they have a lot more 1-2 million sellers while most of Nintendo's and MS franchises are big sellers or they don't use them anymore.
I saw that a few times in this thread, and just wanted clarification. I know Nintendo is number 1 with so many iconic franchises and Mario just kills everything. But I thought Sony was comparable to MS Halo/Gears/Forza with there studios. GT, UC, TLOU, GoW all are big ones for Sony right?
Also guys, the PS4 will have it's WOW moment soon enough. I think people are still waiting for the game that's really amazing to play and a graphical showpiece. Unfortunately, it's not Destiny although Infamous did come pretty close, it was over much too quick and didn't really do anything new gameplay wise.
People will say "I've never seen anything like this" with Drive Club though. And again with The Order early next year. Also, it would be wise not to underestimate third party games, they are seemingly ignored on forums but truly, for PS/Xbox especially, are the lifeblood of the platforms. Only Nintendo gets buy on first party alone.
This is also in line with last gen, as the first WOW moments for many was Gears and Uncharted, both releasing over a year after the platforms launched IIRC.
On PS3 I played Resistance VF5 and Folklore for like forever then got Motorstorm and Warhawk. It was not a good first year at all. I'll take PS4's mix of smaller Indy/mid-tier/AAA games any day of the week.
I saw that a few times in this thread, and just wanted clarification. I know Nintendo is number 1 with so many iconic franchises and Mario just kills everything. But I thought Sony was comparable to MS Halo/Gears/Forza with there studios. GT, UC, TLOU, GoW all are big ones for Sony right?
Also guys, the PS4 will have it's WOW moment soon enough. I think people are still waiting for the game that's really amazing to play and a graphical showpiece. Unfortunately, it's not Destiny although Infamous did come pretty close, it was over much too quick and didn't really do anything new gameplay wise.
People will say "I've never seen anything like this" with Drive Club though. And again with The Order early next year. Also, it would be wise not to underestimate third party games, they are seemingly ignored on forums but truly, for PS/Xbox especially, are the lifeblood of the platforms. Only Nintendo gets buy on first party alone.
This is also in line with last gen, as the first WOW moments for many was Gears and Uncharted, both releasing over a year after the platforms launched IIRC.
On PS3 I played Resistance VF5 and Folklore for like forever then got Motorstorm and Warhawk. It was not a good first year at all. I'll take PS4's mix of smaller Indy/mid-tier/AAA games any day of the week.
Xilium
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I possibly stand corrected on that. I overestimated how much the non-mainline Halos have sold. We would have to come to an agreement on specifically what first-party refers to (Published by Sony/MSFT or Develompent studio owned by Sony/MSFT) but going by the "best-selling games" wiki (which only includes titles over 1M), I'm getting in the mid-50M range for Sony and the mid-40M range for Microsoft (this isn't including Kinect Adventures which was also a pack-in game. Wiki says 17M for what I assume is supposed to be standalone sales but there is no source for it).
So yeah, they're probably about neck and neck in total first-party sales.
Manmademan
Member
Hell no. only crazy people think this.
It was stupid during the PS3 days. I had one since late 2007, and I can say there was never a time where I felt there was nothing to play on the console. People just love to say it was a game barren wasteland before MGS4 came out.
Jimmyfenix
Member
A new ip like the last of us selling over 7 million suggests no.
Everyone needs to stop trying to make lineup quality objective because that what creates the "no games" meme where its really "no games that appeal to me". The Xbone lineup does not appeal to me but its full on retard to accuse the system of having "no games". It's also a fucking lazy argument.
Dragonborn
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Because, even though it's sold over 10 million, obviously no one is buying the PS4 for games. You may say, well, PS4 has sold sold over 30 million units of software, but that doesn't really mean much because reasons. People are just misguided man.
It's a myth. UC, TLOU, and GOW all sell on par with Gears, and then when someone says that, as them "other than Halo what other Xbox games sells like that", they'll be stumped. In fact, I'd wager that Sony has the bigger IP stable.
During the Wii days there was no debate though, Nintendo's IPs were monstrous for the most part. That isn't the case anymore with the Wii U.
Yea I thought it was decent as well. Not amazing by any stretch especially given the entrance price. But it bothers me when people are switching narratives once the PS4 launched about the system.
Personally I have played a shit tone more on my PS4 near post launch then my PS3 near post launch.
krypt0nian
Banned
Yup, the reasons for disqualiifications are ludicrous. And apparently the market thinks tht there are enough games to warrant purchase.
So throw yourselves on the rocks and let the waves beat you mercilessly, but the PS4 has games, and has great games. Sorry bout it.
figadapaura
Member
I bought my PS4 to stream Netflix, not to play games.
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
Those waves tried tho
krypt0nian
Banned
You'd think they'd knock it off, because if the PS4 is absolutely trouncing the competition without games, wait until it HAS games. HAHAHAHAHA
I mean damn they were quality waves. But for naught.
I mean damn they were quality waves. But for naught.
It's because USA = World to many of the MS fans.
Gamerblood
Banned
Ps4 simply has more games it shouldn't even be a debate. If you don't like the games well that's your personal preference. Back on topic congratulations sony I'm Definitely enjoying my ps4.
Dragonborn
Member
Ah, yes, forgot about that. If you look only at US, then yea, MS had better selling IPs (and even then, it's debatable since they put out less stuff), though to be fair that may have something to do with the X360 selling almost 2 to 1 compared to the PS3.
For example: GT, Sony's biggest franchise, sells the majority of it's units in Europe.
FairXchange
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I'm currently switching between sessions of Rogue Legacy, The Swapper, and Surgeon Simulator and The Last of Us on my PS4. If there was a drought I didn't notice, this is the most new content I've played during a summer in years.
Manmademan
Member
not much of a wager, it's absolutely true. Sony has vastly more IP in the million+ selling range than Microsoft does, and it's been this way for a very long time.
also true. Wii aside, I'd wager that of nintendo's console franchises, only mario kart, smash brothers, and mario platformers perform at the level of Sony's top franchises. This isn't the N64 days anymore.
Simply celebrating is boring. Discussion of sales and putting it into context is what should be happening and it was until some putz decided to go list warz.
There's nothing inherently wrong with lists, they just inevitably fail because people keep moving goalposts.
Infinite Xero
Member
Damn, those are some really good games and people even complain about the first year of PS3 lol. The only "bad" game on that list is maybe Eye of Judgement and Resistance.
spatenfloot
Member
That bundle was ahead of the vanilla PS4 earlier today, but already dropped 4 places.
People don't understand that the reason most people buy a console nowadays is because they want to play the AAA Retail Multiplatform games. To the majority of the audience, PS4 and XB1 are interchangeable since they will be playing Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden, FIFA, Battlefield, GTA, etc. That is the eventual outcome of the last generation where it did not make sense for third-parties to make exclusives anymore. In terms of multiplatform games... PS4 is the better system in that it is more powerful than the XB1 at the same price tag so the majority who are only interested in multiplatform games will be better served with the PS4. This is even disregarding the complete and total fumble MS had with their original vision of the XB1.
In addition to this, PS4 also has more exclusives than the XB1 just because of their more open policy in regards to indie and digital games, since they allow those developers to port their games from PC. Also, PS4 is likely to get what's left of the Japanese console gaming market just because it's vastly more popular internationally than the Wii U is. Most Japanese publishers are focusing on mobile and handhelds like the 3DS and the Vita, but if they decide to support a console, it will likely be the PS4 they end up supporting.
All in all, unless you are a fan of the exclusives which the XB1 or Wii U have, the PS4 is the best choice of the three consoles since it has better versions of multiplatform games and a larger library of games.
In addition to this, PS4 also has more exclusives than the XB1 just because of their more open policy in regards to indie and digital games, since they allow those developers to port their games from PC. Also, PS4 is likely to get what's left of the Japanese console gaming market just because it's vastly more popular internationally than the Wii U is. Most Japanese publishers are focusing on mobile and handhelds like the 3DS and the Vita, but if they decide to support a console, it will likely be the PS4 they end up supporting.
All in all, unless you are a fan of the exclusives which the XB1 or Wii U have, the PS4 is the best choice of the three consoles since it has better versions of multiplatform games and a larger library of games.
Resistance and Ratchet came out in the same year? Insomniac didn't have a B team in North Carolina at that time so their Burbank studio must've done double duty. Crazy. Wonder how big their studio was at that time.
spatenfloot
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TLoU had bundles in Europe and topped the charts in almost every country. It certainly sold systems. Many of those buyers probably had just a 360 last gen. I believe most Xbone owners had a 360 last gen, so they played all the Halo games already and would be looking for something new.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Because you don't like what I like, which means your opinion must be wrong.
Here, let me craft a weak argument and present a pointless list to show you how wrong you are.
THIS. The PS3 was raked over the coals for its subpar lineup and crappier versions of 3rd party games.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I guess I'm super late to the thread and everything has been said, but woah.
They are doing well.
So what are end of year predictions? 15 million is a given, so 15-17M?
Impressive.
They are doing well.
So what are end of year predictions? 15 million is a given, so 15-17M?
Impressive.
Dragonborn
Member
15 million should be easy. 17-18 million, depending on supply, are possible.
Mike Zhang
Member
What?
joecanada
Member
But then it wouldn't be trolling anymore
Oh its still trolling... it's the old " oh I wouldn't possibly like those games " and the always classic "concerns " about how psplus hasn't released every ip sony has ever made
BruiserBear
Banned
I only posted that list in response to someone saying the PS3 had a weak first year. That is just not true. I thought the first year of the PS3 was pretty great, and I've felt like the PS4 has had a pretty weak first year. Yes, I am evaluating this on exclusives only, as I own both consoles.
2015 already looks like it will be much better though. So it's a temporary problem.
Naughty_Doge
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Disaster Nebraska
Banned
I would argue that it's much, much better on PS4 now than it was on PS3 in terms of raw content. PS4 already has a solid remake (Last of Us), f2p, and numerous indie titles. Yeah, a lot of stuff is cross-gen but it's better than the "barren wasteland" of the PS3's first few years. Not that it was actually barren, but at that time the majority of titles availalble were retail. The PSN scene hadn't blown up yet.
If we go by the rates its been going...
PS4 Installbase:
2 days - November 16th, 2013 - 1 million
17 days - December 1st, 2013 - 2.1 million
1 month, 14 days - December 28th, 2013 - 4.2 million
2 months, 25 days - February 8th, 2014 - 5.3 million
3 months, 16 days - March 2nd, 2014 - 6.0 million
4 months, 23 days - April 6th, 2014 - 7.0 million
8 months, 27 days - August 10th, 2014 - 10.0 million
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12 months, --------- - February XXth, 2015 - 14.0~17.0 million (depending heavily on holiday deals and games)
FalsettoVibe
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Hey guys, what were PS2 sales in the same timeframe?
Scully Scully Scoo
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U sir win the internet. Just take a bow, that was amazingAnd in the long gone yesteryear
Don Mattrick's words made Redmond cheer
"Ten million first shall win this race!"
He said, with grin upon his face.
"The coming battle shall be won right here,
With games like Halo and Forza and Gears."
He ended his statement with a triumphant nod
Secure in his love from the gaming gods
His words stoked fires among the fans
Each camp clenched swords in bloodied hands
The system warz began again
Three noble fighters, each sure to win
Microsoft, of course, had their white box
Sleek, and powerful, and filled with lots
Of games to play with friends new and old
Or even watch Netflix (if you paid for Gold)
The box upon which SCE was betting
Had power, confusion, and printer settings
The games would look and run so swell
If developers could handle the goddamn Cell
And in the third corner of the ring
Stood the tiny offering from the former king
An innovative waggle-box called the Wii
Would eventually win, quite handily
But fear not brave warriors! War is not through!
Nintendo returned with the shiny WiiU!
It's a console! It's a tablet! It's both things combined!
It's the word "underwhelming," redefined
The other two fighters each had a son
The 360 gave birth to the Xbox One
Underpowered, TV-focused, and chained to Kinect
It struggles to gain traction, or even respect
PS3's new child has shot up the charts
Sleek and powerful, with a gaming heart
It seems quite destined to stay far ahead
Unless Sony acts like Sony and shits in the bed
But now that Gamescom '14 is here at long last
Words did echo from deep in the past
"The first to 10 million shall win at all cost!"
Hung from Microsoft's neck like a stone albatross
So now Tokyo laughs as Redmond sneers
And Lara Croft's eyes well up with tears
For bad news has arrived for the mighty Xbone
PS4 was the first to reach Don's milestone
Damn! Fixed
you need at add a disclaimer "*" Where they only count exclusive games that they care about that start with the letter "H" or whatever nonsense.
2015 is going to be a massive year with so many huge games coming out I think even the end of 2014 is going to be huge for PS4. Should have no problem hitting 15 million WW by jan 1st 2015.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Lol thank you! *bow*
I mean we've got LBP3, Bloodborne, Driveclub, and The Order all coming within 6 months. Even if you ignore indie games, which I'll never understand, it's still a very solid lineup of games coming.
LBP3 is on PS3 though! It takes away my enjoyment of the game.