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[Topher]

I don't believe it, because of the obvious shit tier source.

But, man I sooooo want this to happen. Would pay money to watch the meltdowns even. Lmfao.

Sony fans would be in total shock. Xbox fans wouldn't be able to stop laughing. And nearly the entirely world would be looking at Sony executives.....

 

[solidus12]

It’s hard to even watch this in 2024 knowing that all that’s released in 3+ years is that jank Halo and jank Forza.

Yeah it’s been 4 years and still no release window except Hellblade 2.

 

[eerik9000]

Microsoft pivoting their gaming business from being a platform owner to being a publisher has really broken some brains.

 

[yazenov]

Why would Sony port a game to a dead platform? Not worth the port costs.

The Xbox consumers won't buy it and will probably wait for the game to come to Gamepass anyways.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I am skeptical of the claim, but I don't think Sony would have any concern over people choosing an Xbox over a PS, due to this games availability on the MS platform. It would actually serve this game well to have an even larger player base.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Shpeshal Ed once predicted a PlayStation show in a given month. It never happened and he literally told his listeners that PlayStation delayed / cancelled the show because he leaked it.

At that point I knew I was retarded.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I am skeptical of the claim, but I don't think Sony would have any concern over people choosing an Xbox over a PS, due to this games availability on the MS platform. It would actually serve this game well to have an even larger player base.

Exactly.

If Sony really cared that much about platform wars, exclusivity, and trying to hoard all GAAS revenue on PS ecosystems only, they wouldnt launch it on PC day one. Thats why they dont care about having MLB on Xbox either.

As some gamers theorize, HD2 isn't the kind of game that will make or break picking platform. So it should apply to Xbox too.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Sure just devalue your platform to snag a few sales on a small install base. idiots

 

[diffusionx]

PC

Whatever. It just boggles my mind that Xbox fans have spent almost a decade whining, port begging, eating up these obviously fake leaks, waiting for the secret sauce, and claiming the next great game is right around the corner instead of, you know, just playing on something else.

If you want Helldivers 2, you know where to get it, and it's not Xbox.

Exactly.

If Sony really cared that much about platform wars, exclusivity, and trying to hoard all GAAS revenue on PS ecosystems only, they wouldnt launch it on PC day one. Thats why they dont care about having MLB on Xbox either.

As some gamers theorize, HD2 isn't the kind of game that will make or break picking platform. So it should apply to Xbox too.

When it came to MLB The Show, it was one of those things where the MLB demanded that they make it multiplatform to continue with the license. Which makes sense as there are literally no other options for baseball on the market.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Well to play devils' advocate, Sony are already kind of doing that to PlayStation with the PC ports. I think they've been very overzealous in those ports the past few years, and it could make the PS5 Pro a harder sell than it needed to be. Plus is there fundamentally any difference between a GAAS game Day 1 on PC & six months later on Xbox, especially for an IP that isn't heavily associated with PlayStation the way GOW, Killzone, TLOU etc. are (historically speaking)?

Obviously I'm not making that argument to suggest Sony do bring HD2 to Xbox; there are plenty of reason why they shouldn't. But do I have confidence Sony would value those reasons the same way? Not necessarily, especially as time goes on. The idea though that it'd devalue their own console doesn't necessarily work IMO when them doing Day 1 for GAAS on PC already somewhat does the same thing.

Basically: you're right. But the reason you're right also shows what effects their PC strategy has that are somewhat similar anyway.



But why would this be the kind of bone Sony throws them? MS being allowed to publish on PlayStation is as much a bone they're entitled to. What are MS gonna do if Sony doesn't port games to Xbox? Not publish on PlayStation anymore?

MS are the dependent ones here, not Sony. Doesn't really matter how "big" a publisher MS are, either: they still need platforms to sell their games on so it's probably in their best interest that PlayStation prospers.

Which IMO means it's probably in Sony's best interest to stop risking devaluing of their own console with so many PC ports, but will they actually change some plans there? Who knows :/

Meanwhile in the real world, HD2 would’ve been half as successful (or likely less than that) without a PC port. The tears need to dry up at some point because PC ports aren’t gonna stop. They just announced they’re bringing trophies to PC. Does it sound like they’re exiting the market?

Sony ports games to EGS to the sounds of crickets and dozens of sales for some quid pro quo I would guess. Xbox hardware is dead in the water just like EGS. No harm done bringing a big time GaaS there.

 

[Ozriel]

Speshal Nick is a notorious bullshitter. one would have to be a clown to believe this rumor.

 

[reinking]

"If you want to play Helldivers II, we have an Xbox for you."
-Sony

 

[Fabieter]

As of right now there are bigger priorities for the game. It needs more content instead of more ports.

 

[Topher]

Exactly.

If Sony really cared that much about platform wars, exclusivity, and trying to hoard all GAAS revenue on PS ecosystems only, they wouldnt launch it on PC day one. Thats why they dont care about having MLB on Xbox either.

As some gamers theorize, HD2 isn't the kind of game that will make or break picking platform. So it should apply to Xbox too.

PS and PC are not in a "platform war". PS and Xbox are. If Sony didn't care about MLB being on Xbox then Sony would be publishing MLB on Xbox, but they are not.

 

[RedC]

All GaaS games should be on as many platforms as they can be ported to especially if they're proven to be successful.

 

[King Dazzar]

I overheard the preliminary talks, honest. It went:
Xbox: "hey Sony we'd love Helldivers 2, pretty please?"
PlayStation: "do give over, jog on"
Sheepshagger Nick: "so there's a chance"

 

[JaksGhost]

If this game came in mediocre to underwhelming these kinds of “GaaS deserve to be on as many platforms as available” talks would cease to exist. Where’s the threads demanding “Foamstars” on Xbox?! None of this was happening when the game was announced to its actual date of release. It’s just funny seeing this sudden shift now because of one company’s recent actions.

 

[Generic]

Sony fans would be in total shock. Xbox fans wouldn't be able to stop laughing. And nearly the entirely world would be looking at Sony executives.....

Taking all emotions from the equation, a higher playbase would be a good thing for the players of the game.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Exactly.

If Sony really cared that much about platform wars, exclusivity, and trying to hoard all GAAS revenue on PS ecosystems only, they wouldnt launch it on PC day one. Thats why they dont care about having MLB on Xbox either.

As some gamers theorize, HD2 isn't the kind of game that will make or break picking platform. So it should apply to Xbox too.

They don't see PC as competition, hence why Layden said that releasing games on PC (GaaS in particular) won't have negative effects on their console business.

And before some people go "but people will move to PC", we have a thread about PC hardware pricing where we see PC gamers making the argument that they'd be better off just buying a PS5 Pro, so it's basically win some/lose some.

 

[Coconutt]

Sony right now to Microsoft

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Taking all emotions from the equation, a higher playbase would be a good thing for the players of the game.

I think it's fine on playerbase and it's not good for Sony to make their platform less appealing and alluring

 

[adamsapple]

I think it's fine on playerbase and it's not good for Sony to make their platform less appealing and alluring

But in this specific example, allegedly PC is the bigger platform for the game anyway, so any perceived harm to Sony's own platform is already there (not that I think there is any)

 

[mayham2199]

Didn’t the newest ceo literally just reiterate that they won’t be porting to other consoles?

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

But in this specific example, allegedly PC is the bigger platform for the game anyway, so any perceived harm to Sony's own platform is already there (not that I think there is any)

Well at least make it a good swing vote now that it's popular to sway console players to PS over Xbox and they're not gonna get many sales from Xbox anyway

 

[Topher]

Taking all emotions from the equation, a higher playbase would be a good thing for the players of the game.

Taking all emotions from the equation, Helldivers 2 is not lacking in players. It is in the top five most played games on Steam.

What is there to be emotional about anyway? Just video games....

 

[Cyber_hunter026]

 

[RedC]

If this game came in mediocre to underwhelming these kinds of “GaaS deserve to be on as many platforms as available” talks would cease to exist. Where’s the threads demanding “Foamstars” on Xbox?! None of this was happening when the game was announced to its actual date of release. It’s just funny seeing this sudden shift now because of one company’s recent actions.

Of course, you wouldn't see any demand for any game to be ported to more platforms if it was mediocre to underwhelming.

However, there is a major difference between single-player campaigns and online multiplayer GaaS games, even if they're from a first-party publisher with their own platform because the business models are quite different.

Sony has been experimenting, maximizing the revenue generated from a product (Game), and minimizing the negative impact it has on their platform due to them being the industry leader, hence them porting their games to PC after it's already released exclusively on their platform for an extended time.

The same could be said for GaaS games to maximize the player base to consistently generate more revenue through microtransactions.

It's likely a minuscule player base that would solely buy a platform to play an exclusive GaaS game, and it's likely worth the sacrifice relative to how much more money they could be making if it was ported to as many platforms as possible.

 

[Fabieter]

And before some people go "but people will move to PC", we have a thread about PC hardware pricing where we see PC gamers making the argument that they'd be better off just buying a PS5 Pro, so it's basically win some/lose some.

The console base dropped significantly over the gens. Do those people just stop playing video games? No, most of them went to pc.

 

[Schmendrick]

It's a Gaas, so why not.

 

[King Dazzar]

Joking aside. I wonder even if this was seriously being considered, which I don't. Wouldn't PlayStation internally have the same thoughts as some devs are recently rumoured to have been expressing. i.e why bother it isn't worth the effort. And on the effort side of things, surely Series S would be a dissuader. iirc PS5 is only giving this 1080p with a variable 50 to 60fps.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Sony fans would be in total shock. Xbox fans wouldn't be able to stop laughing. And nearly the entirely world would be looking at Sony executives.....

Are they ?
Helldivers is no God of War, nobody is going to buy a PS for that.
And I bet putting microtransactions on MS store would be a huge win for Sony revenue wise.

 

[nial]

Sony ports games to EGS to the sounds of crickets and dozens of sales for some quid pro quo I would guess. Xbox hardware is dead in the water just like EGS. No harm done bringing a big time GaaS there.

Does an EGS release require another full-on port work? Isn't it just submitting the game on the platform?

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Preliminary Talks​

with who? There’s nothing to talk about, Sony can release the game on Xbox whenever they feel like. They don’t need approval from anyone.

 

[Fabieter]

Are they ?
Helldivers is no God of War, nobody is going to buy a PS for that.
And I bet putting microtransactions on MS store would be a huge win for Sony revenue wise.

Helldivers sold like 15m already. So idk what you mean. Its a big fucking ip.

 

[demigod]

Shpeshal Ed once predicted a PlayStation show in a given month. It never happened and he literally told his listeners that PlayStation delayed / cancelled the show because he leaked it.

At that point I knew I was retarded.

Wait, why are you retarded? Did you believe him?

 

[Little Chicken]

I think Microsoft should maintain the high quality level of games on Xbox and not have Helldivers.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Preliminary Talks​

with who? There’s nothing to talk about, Sony can release the game on Xbox whenever they feel like. They don’t need approval from anyone.

Phil talking to a mirror

 

[Topher]

Are they ?
Helldivers is no God of War, nobody is going to buy a PS for that.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I think Microsoft should maintain the high quality level of games on Xbox and not have Helldivers.

they are the ones port begging.

 

[RedC]

Wait, why are you retarded? Did you believe him?

To be fair, anybody who posts on Neogaf is highly likely to be a bit retarded.

 

[demigod]

Whatever. It just boggles my mind that Xbox fans have spent almost a decade whining, port begging, eating up these obviously fake leaks, waiting for the secret sauce, and claiming the next great game is right around the corner instead of, you know, just playing on something else.

If you want Helldivers 2, you know where to get it, and it's not Xbox.



When it came to MLB The Show, it was one of those things where the MLB demanded that they make it multiplatform to continue with the license. Which makes sense as there are literally no other options for baseball on the market.

Don’t you know? All xbox fans became PC gamers overnight.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Yes because porting a game to another system can be done in a month or so. assuming this got greenlit, we wont see shit till probably mid to end next year ( assuming it got approved today )

I don't see the game to have legs to still be popular till next year. the current highest user account these days is around 190k and not gaining more popularity.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Would not be surprised. But again the current market is not really predictable with games finding success or not.

Though it is hilarious how 343 could have made their own Helldrivers based on Halo long time ago...But oh well.

 

[ResilientBanana]

They don't see PC as competition, hence why Layden said that releasing games on PC (GaaS in particular) won't have negative effects on their console business.

And before some people go "but people will move to PC", we have a thread about PC hardware pricing where we see PC gamers making the argument that they'd be better off just buying a PS5 Pro, so it's basically win some/lose some.

Xbox isn’t much of competition either.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

The console base dropped significantly over the gens. Do those people just stop playing video games? No, most of them went to pc.

The console base remained pretty much the same, at least for Playstation + Xbox.

The only one that makes it difficult to make a total assessment is Nintendo.

But even then, the console market is stable.
It's only MS that comes up with a narrative that it's declining, because their PR projects their problem onto the entire market, as do the Xbox zealots.

 

[kikii]

I haven’t booted this up on PC or PS5 in months… is it still a big thing?

wasnt game released like 2months ago? so u havent booted it at all

 

[W11d]

The port begging is on another level with this one. It's probably because Helldivers is so much different from the usual Sony's lineup and even attracts players who don't care about all the Spider-Man and Horizon. I see a lot of people on twitter and reddit who bought ps5 just to play HD2.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Helldivers sold like 15m already. So idk what you mean. Its a big fucking ip.

It's an excellent game and a huge success. But putting it on Xbox earns them way more than having it just on PS.
Helldivers success still I bet (and guess) moves less hardware sales than a cinematic flashy story driven game Sony is known for.

And microtransactions go for insane prices now, its just free revenue with not a substantial hit on hardware sales or Sony first party lineup PR news.
It's GaaS. Even after the 30% they have to pay to Xbox, they would still get the profit.

Helldivers success still I bet (and guess) moves less hardware sales than a cinematic flashy story driven game Sony is known for.
This is what I mean when I say its no God of War. They would earn by microtransactions by putting it on as many platforms as possible with minimal hit on hardware sales.

GoW could even be developed on a loss because it has the ability to move major hardware and Sony-PR wins. It's a different league like TloU and Uncharted.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Based on those sources, the TC should be ashamed of him/herself.